Geelong vs pies final should not be at the mcg.

[Seeds]

Unfortunately I think this is going to be played at the G

Atleast you said unfortunately.

 

[Seeds]

There's a lot that has been said in this thread going by the number of pages. I'm not going to waste my time reading it all but I assume Geelong supporters are arguing the match should be played at Kardinia Park, and Collingwood supporters are arguing that the MCG is the Victorian finals venue and all major finals should be played there.

Geelong fans, KP is a construction site at the moment. Seriously, stop with the nonsense.

Collingwood and other Vic-club fans, your reasoning is archaic and inconsistent, given interstate clubs in the League play their finals at their regular home venues. Geelong as the higher ranked club are disadvantaged playing Collingwood, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Richmond at the MCG.

This match should be at Docklands in lieu of KP being renovated. It provides less of an advantage to Collingwood being the 4th placed team.

I leave this by playing devils advocate - the minor premiership or being the higher-ranked team shouldn't be given the weighting it does due to the uneven H&A fixture.

I state docklands as an option in the op.

ps. your maths is a bit off in the last paragraph. The uneven fixture can help the 4th team just as much as the 1st. There is no bias in terms of how the uneven fixture influences the teams that finish in each position.

 

[gouki88]

I cant help it if you dont know how to properly reason.

Brilliant!

Either an excellent bait, or the biggest (and saddest) victim complex on this forum. Both are hilarious

 

[blue harvest]

I state docklands as an option in the op.

Geelong have previously stated that if they are forced to play in Melbourne they want to play at the G rather than Docklands.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Now I know you're just trolling

We know the AFL play Geelong at MCG just to piss them off, the real reason is to piss them off so much they leave, they just won't take the hint.

 

[Seeds]

Geelong have previously stated that if they are forced to play in Melbourne they want to play at the G rather than Docklands.

This is a final dude. Money is far less important here then home advantage. Plus we dont get the money from a big crowd in a final.

 

[LoungeLizard]

When they finally leave and go to the Geelong league, I bet they play all finals at Alphabet Park.

 

[Underarm]

Then why would the league let the giants play a home final at giants stadium? Makes a mockery of your gate receipts argument.

Because the Giants can barely sell out Giants stadium, and playing it at Olympic Stadium or SCG isn't going to change that all that much.

Geelong regularly double their capacity of KP, and there's been 9 such occasions where they will have doubled the 40k that KP will end up as.

 

[manicmagpie]

Fun fact: no team in the history of the competition has had to play more finals away from its home ground despite being the higher ranked team than Collingwood.

 

[cat_fanatic]

There's a lot that has been said in this thread going by the number of pages. I'm not going to waste my time reading it all but I assume Geelong supporters are arguing the match should be played at Kardinia Park, and Collingwood supporters are arguing that the MCG is the Victorian finals venue and all major finals should be played there.

Geelong fans, KP is a construction site at the moment. Seriously, stop with the nonsense.

Collingwood and other Vic-club fans, your reasoning is archaic and inconsistent, given interstate clubs in the League play their finals at their regular home venues. Geelong as the higher ranked club are disadvantaged playing Collingwood, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Richmond at the MCG.

This match should be at Docklands in lieu of KP being renovated. It provides less of an advantage to Collingwood being the 4th placed team.

I leave this by playing devils advocate - the minor premiership or being the higher-ranked team shouldn't be given the weighting it does due to the uneven H&A fixture.

Very few Geelong supporters are suggesting that finals should be played at Geelong, particularly this year given the construction.

I absolutely am not interested in playing at Marvel stadium, it doesn't do either team any favours.

So long as Geelong, when they're the home team, have some say in the scheduling of the game so our fans have an opportunity to attend at the MCG, then I'm happy.

This year is a perfect example of a great outcome for most. I wouldn't say it's fair, but it's as close as we can't expect it to be without imposing ticketing mandates to ensure the crowd isn't lopsided.

 

[SuperSub17]

I cant help it if you dont know how to properly reason.

This entire thread is 45 pages and counting of you bleating about the same nonsense and ignoring anything that is said in response.

 

[DaddyMac80]

It will make a mockery of the competition if the clear competition leader is playing its home final in front of 75 thousand screaming pies fans at the ground the pies play 15 games at each season when the pies finished fourth.

we can not have a repeat of the ridiculous 2017 finals series.

surely the competition has moved beyond the amateurish of playing finals where crowds are highest at the expense of fairness. Other professional sports do not do this.

note the grand final is a little different because there are no home sides in a grand final and the crowds arent heavily biased to mcg tenants due to fans travelling and all the neutral fans. So please dont bring grand final arguments into this thread as its not equivalent.

play the game at either kardinia and if thats not possible (it is) then play at least docklands.

for the sake of the competition.

Your argument is even weaker than your grammar.

Is this a Cat's supporter pre-emptively making their excuse for losing??

You guys are amazing .. leave games early when winning to beat the carpark traffic and now make excuses days before the game has been played and lost.

 

[DaddyMac80]

Can't wait for the report to come out if Collingwood win about the Geelong supporters not feeling safe at the MCG because fans of the opposition club barracked to loudly

And how about the trauma they'll suffer as the opposition team's goals are replayed on the big screen. That doesn't happen at KP. Savagery!

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

They are playing at one of Geelong's home grounds where they quite happily play ever second Easter Monday, never hear a complaint then.

 

[Seeds]

Your argument is even weaker than your grammar.

Is this a Cat's supporter pre-emptively making their excuse for losing??

You guys are amazing .. leave games early when winning to beat the carpark traffic and now make excuses days before the game has been played and lost.

If its weak it should be easy to unpack it. 46 pages in now and no one has put up a viable argument against it. Just numerous variations on the argument of tradition for traditions sake.

 

[gouki88]

If its weak it should be easy to unpack it. 46 pages in now and no one has put up a viable argument.

It is easy to unpack, you are just obtuse

 

[HPKS]

Of course it should be at Geelongs ground of choice. Anything else turns it into sports entertainment that has more in common with WWE. Only a halfwit would say it’s fine & fair.

 

[Seeds]

Multiple Choice Quiz:

In order to win the Premiership an AFL team must:
a) Win a big final at the MCG; or
b) Play a final at a building site (aka KP)

You know both could be possible right?

 

[Pistol Night]

Have they moved it yet?

 

[Seeds]

It is easy to unpack, you are just obtuse

you just keep arguing about tradition. Thats not unpacking. Tradition is never a valid argument for anything.

 

[Seeds]

Have they moved it yet?

Has putin been removed from power?

has cancer been cured?

do we have a fair fixture yet?

what is your point?

 

[gouki88]

you just keep arguing about tradition. Thats not unpacking. Tradition is never a valid argument for anything.

No, I do not. You just cannot comprehend what the finals actually are.

 

[Proper Gander]

This thread is a bit silly.

Geelong do get an advantage by finishing first. They get to play in Victoria at a venue where they play games regularly, and in terms of fans travelling face no more obstacles then the greater number of Melbourne team supporters who likewise often travel for an hour or more to the venue.

In the event the ladder has panned out differently then Cats might be playing visitors in Freo, Sydney or Brisbane. The complaints arise only because Cats face a Melbourne based club. If Melbourne had finished first then we would be in the same boat with no particular ground advantage playing the Pies. It’s the way it goes. Same if Freo and WC meet in finals, or Adelaide and Port.

I would be happy to play a final at Casey to maximise our chance of winning, but understand the commercial consideration that prevents this option. The same applies to Kardinia Park, even more so with half the ground inaccessible.

So yes there is an advantage to finishing first and second, which is to confirm as the home state host which might see a matchup with an interstate travelling side. It’s bad luck if you face a home state team, but that’s the same for WA and SA. Still worth aiming for a 1 or 2 finish.

 

[AFDogs]

Imagine the Cats players preferred playing at the G. I reckon there'd be quite a few.

 

[doppleganger]

Then why would the league let the giants play a home final at giants stadium? Makes a mockery of your gate receipts argument.

How much is giants stadium to rent compared to SCG or Stadium Australia?

They didnt even get a full house a giants stadium, yet you think it is an example that helps your point?

AFL schedules the games to maximise $$, which is abour gate receipts.

If you forecast you are barely going to push 20k fans, why would move it to Stadium Australia?? They correctly left the PF at Giants stadium.

The 2016 QF, that was not played at the SCG, moved to Stadium Australia as the AFL forecast a 60k+ crowd.

Cats v any vic team for a final will get 70k+ at the G, the AFL arent giving up that kind of revenue just because a few Cats fans dont understand the rules around finals.