Geesh.

[*PAF]

Before we start an announcement.
It would be nice if the usual WAA GO HOME YOU PORT ***** stuff didn't happen for once.

Now the question.
I have watched you lot a couple of times now and geesh, I was puffed out just looking at your players work so hard for four quarters.
By the end of the game a lot of them were absolutely stuffed as they had given their all and had no more to give.

Is your game plan sustainable over a long period from a player well being point of view? Could it have something to do with the injuries you lot have suffered?

EDIT: I had to swear filter my own post.
Is it broked down or something?

 

[jenny61_99]

We looked completely spent. I guess coming off the hard game against Freo in Perth didn't help. Got to say I am not looking forward to our game up here next week now.

Injuries can't be helping - the way I see it we are playing those who have niggly injuries that we normally wouldn't and that can't help our position.

 

[jo172]

I think a fair bit of it was a hard slog last week mixed with a shorter recovery time not to mention i suspect Burton, Goodwin, Hudson, Perrie, Rutten and Edwards are all carrying minor injuries. I don't think it's Craig's fault at all, merely karma for the 2005 season where we didn't get an injury all year.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Before we start an announcement.
It would be nice if the usual WAA GO HOME YOU PORT ***** stuff didn't happen for once.

Now the question.
I have watched you lot a couple of times now and geesh, I was puffed out just looking at your players work so hard for four quarters.
By the end of the game a lot of them were absolutely stuffed as they had given their all and had no more to give.

Is your game plan sustainable over a long period from a player well being point of view? Could it have something to do with the injuries you lot have suffered?

EDIT: I had to swear filter my own post.
Is it broked down or something?

I wonder if I post this question on the Port board how I would go:


"You are certainly travelling well but are you worried that in the pressure cooker of finals, you have too may receivers and not enough in and under/body on the line top midfielders".

 

[half forward flanker]

I wonder if I post this question on the Port board how I would go:


"You are certainly travelling well but are you worried that in the pressure cooker of finals, you have too may receivers and not enough in and under/body on the line top midfielders".

lol! thats about right.

'is mark williams' game plan vulnerable to choking in finals?' etc

 

[tribey]

Before we start an announcement.

I was hoping this would be a tribute thread to Jeff Gieschen.

 

[*PAF]

I wonder if I post this question on the Port board how I would go:


"You are certainly travelling well but are you worried that in the pressure cooker of finals, you have too may receivers and not enough in and under/body on the line top midfielders".

Yes I do expect the youngster to get found out in pressure cooker environments just as they did against you lot. Even John James would know that.
Any more simple questions?

ps bet you wouldn't have answered that honestly hey?

 

[rayven]

Before we start an announcement.
It would be nice if the usual WAA GO HOME YOU PORT ***** stuff didn't happen for once.

Now the question.
I have watched you lot a couple of times now and geesh, I was puffed out just looking at your players work so hard for four quarters.
By the end of the game a lot of them were absolutely stuffed as they had given their all and had no more to give.

Is your game plan sustainable over a long period from a player well being point of view? Could it have something to do with the injuries you lot have suffered?

EDIT: I had to swear filter my own post.
Is it broked down or something?

One could think that had you acknowlaged our 6 day break after a full on game in Perth against them with a 10 break would of made this a constructive post.

Since the start of 06 our injuries have been horrendous.
Needs to be investigated but our game plans require alot of running both ways.

So???????

But tonight was not a clear and precise incedent to say we have took on too much.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Before we start an announcement.
It would be nice if the usual WAA GO HOME YOU PORT ***** stuff didn't happen for once.

Now the question.
I have watched you lot a couple of times now and geesh, I was puffed out just looking at your players work so hard for four quarters.
By the end of the game a lot of them were absolutely stuffed as they had given their all and had no more to give.

Is your game plan sustainable over a long period from a player well being point of view? Could it have something to do with the injuries you lot have suffered?

EDIT: I had to swear filter my own post.
Is it broked down or something?

Its a fair point but bloody hell we are running on empty as far as options go.

I can NEVER EVER question the heart and the work rate of this team. They will ALWAYS give 110% injured or not and I admire that but the players are exhausting themselves for very little in return.

We are playing short in defence, running out of numbers in the midfield, limited scoring options and to top it off we are that bad off injury wise that we are playing sore players in Burton, Hudson, Goodwin, Torney, Edwards etc...

I am not sure what we can do about it. Hell we brough Hinge in to offset an injury and he will miss the next game with hamstring tear

 

[Dandy_GO]

Old Mother Hubbard went to the cupboard,
To fetch her poor dog a bone.
But when she got there, her cupboard was bare,
And so the poor dog had none.

 

[- PC -]

When team wins all problem disappear - Crowfucious


PAF, I think its everyones gamestyle and its more the injuries than gameplan that seems to be an issue

 

[Mad Dog]

When team wins all problem disappear - Crowfucious


PAF, I think its everyones gamestyle and its more the injuries than gameplan that seems to be an issue

Problem is - the more injuries you get - the more you have to modify the gameplan to suit the cattle on the ground....bit of a compounding issue

 

[- PC -]

Problem is - the more injuries you get - the more you have to modify the gameplan to suit the cattle on the ground....bit of a compounding issue

Not if the gameplan is built around movement and not player , its the level of talent that then becomes the issue

 

[maximus]

Before we start an announcement.
It would be nice if the usual WAA GO HOME YOU PORT ***** stuff didn't happen for once.

Now the question.
I have watched you lot a couple of times now and geesh, I was puffed out just looking at your players work so hard for four quarters.
By the end of the game a lot of them were absolutely stuffed as they had given their all and had no more to give.

Is your game plan sustainable over a long period from a player well being point of view? Could it have something to do with the injuries you lot have suffered?

EDIT: I had to swear filter my own post.
Is it broked down or something?

It may be a valid question. In 2005 we had virtually no injuries, 2006 there were more injuries and this year....well. With all the pre-season training these days, do players get a chance to recover properly between seasons? A lot of the injuries are accidents though which clouds it a bit.

One thing that was obvious last night at the game was the number of crows players that stood still and did not run to make a lead when we had the ball, resulting in very slow short movement. They did look very flat.

The swear filer is just fine. It is smart enough to realise that the combination of "PORT" and any expletive is a perfectly accurate and acceptable phrase

 

[Mad Dog]

Not if the gameplan is built around movement and not player , its the level of talent that then becomes the issue

I was talking about modifying because of level of talent of course

 

[*PAF]

Problem is - the more injuries you get - the more you have to modify the gameplan to suit the cattle on the ground....bit of a compounding issue

That was part of my point I suppose.
Williams was being criticised, and justifiably so IMO, for not altering his gameplan enough to allow for injured or unfit players a few years back. Also that a number of recurring injuries were due to players coming back in before time and being asked to do 100%. Is Craigy doing the same thing?
One gameplan fits all may not get you the wooden spoon ever but geesh is there any short or long term value in it?
Is your abysmal goalscoring because of your cattle or because of the defensive run till you drop gameplan? Chicken and egg type question.

The other part of the question was along the lines of asking players to run like receivers (say McLeod) and at the same time getting bashed and crashed like a toughnut (say Roo). Is it possible to do that for 22-25 rounds for a couple of years running? I do not have a preconceived idea on this but the first answer would have to be no and then change the opinion if there is a decent argument for the opposite viewpoint.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

That was part of my point I suppose.
Williams was being criticised, and justifiably so IMO, for not altering his gameplan enough to allow for injured or unfit players a few years back. Also that a number of recurring injuries were due to players coming back in before time and being asked to do 100%. Is Craigy doing the same thing?
One gameplan fits all may not get you the wooden spoon ever but geesh is there any short or long term value in it?
Is your abysmal goalscoring because of your cattle or because of the defensive run till you drop gameplan? Chicken and egg type question.

The other part of the question was along the lines of asking players to run like receivers (say McLeod) and at the same time getting bashed and crashed like a toughnut (say Roo). Is it possible to do that for 22-25 rounds for a couple of years running? I do not have a preconceived idea on this but the first answer would have to be no and then change the opinion if there is a decent argument for the opposite viewpoint.

This is the point. With our long list of injuries, it was either we had to defend even deeper last night and when we did apply pressures and they turned the ball over, our forwards weren't there or were stuffed and couldn't provide any leads. Or MM realised this and played their defence further up the ground dragging our forwards as well and with our injuries and lack of leg speed due to various reasons we were gone. Unfortunately I can't use the lack of replacements off the pine as an excuse as they also had a couple who couldn't come back on. Bugger

 

[afc9798]

Yes I do expect the youngster to get found out in pressure cooker environments just as they did against you lot. Even John James would know that.
Any more simple questions?

ps bet you wouldn't have answered that honestly hey?

Another fan of that great business leader Jesse James eh??

 

[just maybe]

I think a fair bit of it was a hard slog last week mixed with a shorter recovery time not to mention i suspect Burton, Goodwin, Hudson, Perrie, Rutten and Edwards are all carrying minor injuries. I don't think it's Craig's fault at all, merely karma for the 2005 season where we didn't get an injury all year.

Statistics test?

Karma?

OK.

 

[*PAF]

Another fan of that great business leader Jesse James eh??

Know nothing about him and do not care as long as he does his job.
However Springy seems to love him long time, so I use his name where possible when replying to his posts.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

There is one huge flaw in the whole game-style excuse for injuries - we play the same as Sydney, and they've had a better record with injuries than any other side in the past few years.

 

[Damp Squarie]

I was hoping this would be a tribute thread to Jeff Gieschen.

Exactly.

Not to many teams win after travelling to Subi and putting in an effort like we did.

The other thing is, how many injuries are we carrying on the ground.Huson Bock and Burton are obvious. The rest cant carry them ...simple

 

[fightingdreamer88]

Exactly.

Not to many teams win after travelling to Subi and putting in an effort like we did.

The other thing is, how many injuries are we carrying on the ground.Huson Bock and Burton are obvious. The rest cant carry them ...simple

Right on the money, the group is too inexperienced and raw overall to support itself for a full four quarters with three or four blokes in such poor condition. It's clear that we're at a vulnerable stage regardless, may as well at least make sure there are 22 -fit- players as opposed to opting for clearly struggling, if experienced, alternatives.

 

[glengowan]

I remember watching the first round against West Coast in 2005 after Neil Craig took over and thinking how on earth does he expect the Crows to be able to play like that for a full game. In that game the Crows ran out of puff, but for the rest of the season and the next his team adapted well to the get numbers back and run forward when in possession game he has his team playing.

Obviously to play this way players all over the ground need to be supremely fit and if a player is carrying a leg injury (like Burton) it's just going to wear him out and the game plan fails.

It's a bit of a double edged sword - I don't think this game style causes injuries as such, but perhaps the amount of training needed to be able to perform this game style very well is too much for the bodies to cope with.

Starting from next year it may be rebuilding time. Craig may also have to alter his game plan and training techniques to achieve more realistic results. After having some doubts about Craig when he was first appointed, I now think he is an excellent coach and will adapt to ensure the AFC is somewhere near the top for longer than most clubs.

 

[Tas]

Now the question.

Is your game plan sustainable over a long period from a player well being point of view? Could it have something to do with the injuries you lot have suffered?

I am just a neutral observer but the gameplan is sustainable, Crows just have had bad luck with a horrendous run with injuries. The fit senior players should be able to run out the whole season, the younger players would get rotated in and out of the side as they need a break.

Unfortunately, they are missing a lot of senior players and guys carrying niggling injuries are forced to play and young kids that probably can't sustain that style of play are going to have to do their best to stand up.

The problem for NC is he doesn't have the luxury atm to pick players based on form, there are a few guys in the side that probably wouldn't be getting a game at this point in time had there not been the extent of injuries.

I don't think NC has the luxury of changing the style of game. He doesn't have the cattle to play a shoot-out game unless the opposition is ordinary. The best option is to contain the opposition, play defensive and try to overcome a small total with a less than ideal forward line.