General MFC Discussion 2.0

[A11dAtP0w3R]

They both did make the decisions though?

Yet, one team has a player revolt while the other doesn't.

 

[CTHORANGE]

Nibbler out for FOUR matches:
"The jury conclude the impact of the tackle is 'severe' and have suspended Alex Neal-Bullen for FOUR matches "

The panel considered the medical report and action when judging the incident 'severe'. While the panel didn’t suggest Neal-Bullen had any malice in the action, they considered the medical report from Adelaide, which said Hamill is set to miss at least two matches as a result of head trauma. The four-match ban took into account the guilty plea of Neal-Bullen, his character references and record, his remorse and his efforts to make contact with Hamill following the incident, along with the medical report.

They really f**ked him over

Crikeys, if they took into account all that stuff at the end and he still got 4 weeks, sounds like he was going to get 5 or 6 weeks if he wasn't such a pleasant person, which would be way more than any other player has ever received for the same type of action. Completely unsurprising though.

 

[Grimesy87]

Yet, one team has a player revolt while the other doesn't.

That's what I mean.

Clarkson moves on a few future Hall of famer and life goes on- "what a great but brutal decision to move them on and freshen their list"

Bailey does the same with a bloke who played 270 odd games at a very pleasant, very nice career with 0 individual accolades and he "set Melbourne back 10 years" and "ruined the culture"

 

[djpaulydemon]

There would be less sling tackles if umpires were directed to call ball ups faster. But they want to minimise stopages so they wait for a HTB or a sling.

Same with "no genuine attempt", it usually gets called after a pile on and everyone stops and looks at the umpire waiting for a decision.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

That's what I mean.

Clarkson moves on a few future Hall of famer and life goes on- "what a great but brutal decision to move them on and freshen their list"

Bailey does the same with a bloke who played 270 odd games at a very pleasant, very nice career with 0 individual accolades and he "set Melbourne back 10 years" and "ruined the culture"

That's the auro of Clarkson, he allows a club to make such calls and no one bats an eye.

You don't go in swinging your **** around as a coach when youve done nothing.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

There would be less sling tackles if umpires were directed to call ball ups faster. But they want to minimise stopages so they wait for a HTB or a sling.

Same with "no genuine attempt", it usually gets called after a pile on and everyone stops and looks at the umpire waiting for a decision.

100%. It's all about moving the ball on so you get all the time in the world as long as it comes out. ANB should have let go of the wrist once he had him off balance so he's earned a break but ****ing hell what a larf.

 

[Demon bhoy]

So how come Clarkson is a genius for moving on cooked Lewis and Mitchell, who had won best and fairest and all australians etc, yet Bailey ruined Melbourne moving on a cooked James McDonald whos list of achievements is nothing compared to those players?

Just curious.

Was it just Baileys choice? the state of the two clubs when the decisions were made is incomparable as was the esteem and clout the respective coaches had at their respective clubs. What was destroying our club ran much deeper than just McDonald being moved on as horrible a decision as that was.

 

[Demon bhoy]

That's what I mean.

Clarkson moves on a few future Hall of famer and life goes on- "what a great but brutal decision to move them on and freshen their list"

Bailey does the same with a bloke who played 270 odd games at a very pleasant, very nice career with 0 individual accolades and he "set Melbourne back 10 years" and "ruined the culture"

McDonald did win 2 b&f and was an AA

 

[Topkent]

That's what I mean.

Clarkson moves on a few future Hall of famer and life goes on- "what a great but brutal decision to move them on and freshen their list"

Bailey does the same with a bloke who played 270 odd games at a very pleasant, very nice career with 0 individual accolades and he "set Melbourne back 10 years" and "ruined the culture"

Clarkson had already won 4 flags and was still trying to win them.
When we did it we were trying to win spoons

 

[Topkent]

Punch in head, while they're on the ground. That's fine apparently.

You can only sling tackle if you've played a lot of games and are a media personality/good bloke.

fu** the AFL 'sending a message" is a joke. Why one rule one day, and a new rule the next? The ******* campaigners did the same with trengove 10 years ago on Dangerfield.

Steve Hocking would have been all over this the corrupt *******. He's a cancer on the AFL and is driving it into oncoming traffic at high speed.

For what it's worth the tackle was horrid and deserves 2 games. Comparatively to other incidents this year, 4 weeks is a considerable face fu** to the MFC yet again.

If our club doesn't ****ing appeal that.
2 weeks is more than fair, a month is a joke

 

[Bluelegs]

Apparently part of our defence was that if Nibbler missed a month it could end his career because he's fringe.

What kind of dumb argument is that?

 

[Grimesy87]

100%. It's all about moving the ball on so you get all the time in the world as long as it comes out. ANB should have let go of the wrist once he had him off balance so he's earned a break but ******* hell what a larf.

the thing that shits me is how they have the ability to break it down frame by frame, and most of the people baying for blood were journos like Ralph, Browne and the like. When shit happens at normal speed in real life, a player has nanoseconds to make a choice in what to do. By the time the tackle is done, Neal-bullen wouldn't have even realised what he had done until it's too late. We all have followed his career and no-one here would say he's a thug or violent, definitely not known for hurting blokes when he tackles.

Again, not defending the tackle itself, just observing it's so easy to slow it down and make him look like he was Genghis Khan butchering the Tatars.

 

[Grimesy87]

Apparently part of our defence was that if Nibbler missed a month it could end his career because he's fringe.

What kind of dumb argument is that?

Oh **** right off.

We had Lionel hutz in there?

 

[TheCount]

Regardless of what you think of the verdict, you've gotta enjoy the irony of the AFL feeling the need to send a message to discourage the act, after twice allowing the same bloke get off with a slap on the wrist twice for what is effectively the same act, just with a vastly different result.

Their time to send a message came and went, and then came again.

 

[Topkent]

I actually feel bad for ANB, I bet one of the reasons he was out was his tackling. Gets himself going goes out there and thinks **** I better get a holding the ball. Bloke hes tackling is still trying to kick it when his head hits the ground and now ANB misses almost a quarter of the home and away season which is the same as Bugg punching mills out

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Apparently part of our defence was that if Nibbler missed a month it could end his career because he's fringe.

What kind of dumb argument is that?

The tribunal probably called our bluff and said he wasn't an inside mid so had no future career with us. xD

 

[Daemon]

Apparently part of our defence was that if Nibbler missed a month it could end his career because he's fringe.

What kind of dumb argument is that?

It's true. Has a ring of Bugg to it.

 

[Dory_77]

I actually feel bad for ANB, I bet one of the reasons he was out was his tackling. Gets himself going goes out there and thinks fu** I better get a holding the ball. Bloke hes tackling is still trying to kick it when his head hits the ground and now ANB misses almost a quarter of the home and away season which is the same as Bugg punching mills out

Yeah a bit rough happening so early too, probably was g'd up to be physical. Like others said that would weigh on his mind the rest of the game. It was a pretty textbook example of the dangerous tackles they're trying to get rid of (arm held, sling into ground with head hitting first) but it seems excessive for the act itself. 2 weeks, 3 if he had a bad record would probably be fair.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

That's the auro of Clarkson, he allows a club to make such calls and no one bats an eye.

You don't go in swinging your **** around as a coach when youve done nothing.

Agree, that's why I'm a brutal bastard when I manage my team in NBA2K.... I'm a champ, no one is safe.

 

[Proper Gander]

There would be less sling tackles if umpires were directed to call ball ups faster. But they want to minimise stopages so they wait for a HTB or a sling.

Same with "no genuine attempt", it usually gets called after a pile on and everyone stops and looks at the umpire waiting for a decision.

Totally agree. Honestly think the umpiring is making tackling more dangerous.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Totally agree. Honestly think the umpiring is making tackling more dangerous.

Could run a whole workshop on unintended consequences just from AFL umpiring. Incentivising ducking to protect the head in tackles has been a good one.

 

[Proper Gander]

Brief rant incoming:

The umpiring of late to avoid the ball up as long as possible with the idea that reducing the stoppages to make the game more interesting is having the opposite effect. You end up with twice as many heads over the ball in a multi player rolling maul that lasts forever, tackling technique gets eroded, and more dangerous because it takes more and more effort to be rewarded or force the stoppage. The ensuing mess further ****s up the umpiring because any old shit goes, you get illegal disposals galore, teams like the dogs capitalise by placing the ball on the ground if tackled or just handing the thing to a teammate.

The whole thing is poison for a team like Melbourne because it plays on our worst instincts (and probably our idiot coaching instructions). Once the game gets like that our obsession with contest and winning the stoppage sees most of the players go for the ball, out structure entirely dissolves and it doesn’t matter whether we win the ball or not because we’ve left nobody in position to receive it. Encouraging this is the way to beat us with ease, and we don’t need that much encouragement. Adelaide actually had the right idea so stayed in it for the first half. I got the shits and went to bed because the quality of the spectacle was so vile. Only when the Crows started to tire did the game open up, we suddenly achieve a coherent structure, move the ball and win with ease. We are so ****ing dumb though.

Also pretty surprised at the duration of ANBs suspension. He was gone the moment that player was concussed, but 4 weeks when tackles like Burgoyne did get a fine is crazy. Unless the AFL can suddenly achieve something resembling relative proportion in their decisions the system will remain a joke. Mind you, I guess if we must have a lengthy suspension it may as well be Nib. He’s lost it

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Just another instance proving we are definitely the afls step child.

 

[LeverPuller]

This is getting a real 2017 vibe
9 matches played
4 wins
All wins against sides in bottom 10
5 losses
All losses against sides in top 8

Need to win next two badly - takes us to 6-5 with games to come against Sydney, Freo, Essendon, WB, GWS and StK. Only outright tipped loss is StK.

Still think we could reliably go 10-7 which puts us in the frame for finals.

 

[Crusty Demon]

This is getting a real 2017 vibe
9 matches played
4 wins
All wins against sides in bottom 10
5 losses
All losses against sides in top 8

Need to win next two badly - takes us to 6-5 with games to come against Sydney, Freo, Essendon, WB, GWS and StK. Only outright tipped loss is StK.

Still think we could reliably go 10-7 which puts us in the frame for finals.

Yep. Can see us winning a few more against low sides but we're not beating any good sides this year. We'll finish somewhere between 10th and 14th IMO. I can see Saints killing us like Port tbh. Even GWS should beat us comfortably, especially if Greene is back. The only games we'll go in favourite are Sydney, Freo and North. Chances are we'll drop one of those anyway.