Mega Thread General MFC Discussion Part III

[Ando727]

Any sort of encouragement of this practice of 'do free work for us and we totally promise it'll eventually pay off, maybe, possibly, well who knows' is bad. This is only a minor example of it, but it's still not on.

If an organisation itself is implying that working for free will eventually result in a paid position within the same organisation, yeah that's definitely very dodgy, and illegal, I'd suggest. But offering a bit of experience in the industry to pad out your resume is less sinister, I think. If MFC has done any of the former, then yeah, hang em for it. If it's the latter, it's ok by me. I guess the problem is, you might actually end up working there... so yeah, I see your point. To avoid trouble, you'd really have to spell it out in the job description. "This is for your short term work experience and not part of a career progression within MFC".

 

[Pedantic]

What's minimum wage for a 21yo, like $20/hour? If the work you're getting them to do isn't worth that much to your business then it's pretty pointless anyway.

 

[Crusty Demon]

If an organisation itself is implying that working for free will eventually result in a paid position within the same organisation, yeah that's definitely very dodgy, and illegal, I'd suggest. But offering a bit of experience in the industry to pad out your resume is less sinister, I think. If MFC has done any of the former, then yeah, hang em for it. If it's the latter, it's ok by me. I guess the problem is, you might actually end up working there... so yeah, I see your point. To avoid trouble, you'd really have to spell it out in the job description. "This is for your short term work experience and not part of a career progression within MFC".

Exactly. Obviously the major pieces are in place. It's not like we're asking for a coach or a CEO to come in and work for free. Big successful corporations have been doing this for decades. Interns are offered positions to learn on the job and gain experience in an unpaid position. Volunteers within schools, charities, businesses have been a thing since the dawn of time. If I was young with no kids, I'd gladly go for something like this within a footy club. Especially the club i support. This country and in particular the AFL community are so f*cking precious sometimes. Drives me insane. Good on us I say for trying to find an angle to get good people in on the cheap..

 

[Topkent]

Yep I'd be looking at that as an opportunity to get a foot in the door in the AFL world.

 

[schmuttt]

When we are probably paying Goodwin and Richardson 1.5m a year between them I’m finding it very hard to justify not paying people to work at the club. Unfortunately a lot of sport is like this, it is very tough to make an actual career in the industry.

 

[markm106]

I think it’s reasonably common place to have students doing work at clubs. It’d be a part of studies to do work experience hours. And it’s gets your foot in the door.

 

[00Stinger]

I think it’s reasonably common place to have students doing work at clubs. It’d be a part of studies to do work experience hours. And it’s gets your foot in the door.

Most masseuses work for free at the clubs too

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[Ando727]

Most masseuses work for free at the clubs too

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There's no such thing as a free rub.

 

[knackers29]

The key word is "volunteer". We're not holding people at gunpoint forcing them to work for free. Let people make their own decisions on whether they want to do it or not.

 

[schmuttt]

Topkent Kingy spot on here

 

[Topkent]

Topkent Kingy spot on here

Everyone in the world sees it but the bloody coach.
Teams score about 10 points average from the back half in games in modern footy, so having elite kicks there doesn't = scores. Transition footy is dead, it's all about turning it over in the front half and when it gets into the back half forcing it into the front half either by stoppages or running and handballing.

Salem could add 10 points to our front half attack on his own.

 

[schmuttt]

Everyone in the world sees it but the bloody coach.
Teams score about 10 points average from the back half in games in modern footy, so having elite kicks there doesn't = scores. Transition footy is dead, it's all about turning it over in the front half and when it gets into the back half forcing it into the front half either by stoppages or running and handballing.

Salem could add 10 points to our front half attack on his own.

ESPECIALLY when Hibberd is somewhat back in form (Pending 2021) and Rivers is clearly a big talent that we can play at HB (One of the best positions to develop a player in IMO). Salem simply isn't needed down back nowadays.

 

[Topkent]

ESPECIALLY when Hibberd is somewhat back in form (Pending 2021) and Rivers is clearly a big talent that we can play at HB (One of the best positions to develop a player in IMO). Salem simply isn't needed down back nowadays.

We've never needed him down back he's not a good defender. We are trying to use him in a role that died 5 years ago.

 

[schmuttt]

We've never needed him down back he's not a good defender. We are trying to use him in a role that died 5 years ago.

I reckon it was ok for him to play there early in his career whilst he adjusted to AFL but no point now as we've all been saying. Langdon is fantastic in what he brings on one wing but we need a genuinely good kick on the other and like you say it'll probably make us a 10pt better side which is a big difference.

 

[mrmonkey]

Topkent Kingy spot on here

I don't mind david king calls it as he sees it and isn't just being a shock jock like some commentators. I remember being annoyed at him when he came at neeld early but he was spot on.

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[Topkent]

I reckon it was ok for him to play there early in his career whilst he adjusted to AFL but no point now as we've all been saying. Langdon is fantastic in what he brings on one wing but we need a genuinely good kick on the other and like you say it'll probably make us a 10pt better side which is a big difference.

I dunno I think it's been a waste of the first 5 years of his career. Hasn't really improved much year on year. Never been close to AA or talked about as one of our best players. Be surprised if he makes anyones top 5 most important on our team on this board.
Max
Trac
May
Oliver
Langdon

Then he's in a group with Viney, Fritsch, Lever, Melk, Weid. Of good but not invaluable players

 

[stEdy]

Especially with Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

leading out of full forward, having someone like Salem on the wing/HFF that can weight a pass in front of a forward will be invaluable in 2021.

It's also time for Salem to start taking on harder kicks with his skillset. He's still stuck in a younger player mindset where he plays the percentages too often. Needs to look at what Trac did over the last pre-season to welcome the pressure and want the ball in his hands in clutch moments. Salem is a bloody talented footballer, he has the potential to be an AA player if he puts it all together (in a good team).

 

[blitznu]

Topkent Kingy spot on here

cant wait for him to start in the back pocket next year

 

[blitznu]

Everybody loves talking up Salem yet he's done absolutely **** all to warrant it. talk is cheap mother ****ers how about actually putting together a season worthy of being talked up. Over this talk of how good he'd be up the ground when he's not even that good in the easiest position on the ground. Blokes 25 ffs everybody acts like the campaigners just started and not already in his prime.

 

[ImissFrosty]

Everybody loves talking up Salem yet he's done absolutely fu** all to warrant it. talk is cheap mother f***ers how about actually putting together a season worthy of being talked up. Over this talk of how good he'd be up the ground when he's not even that good in the easiest position on the ground. Blokes 25 ffs everybody acts like the campaigners just started and not already in his prime.

He's gotten such an easy ride so far, I don't get why everybody thinks he's an elite kick either. He has a great technique, sure. But he is so defensive with his ball use, of course you are going to be a good kick when you only kick it 20 metres sideways. His one good attribute that has stood out for me is his ability to stay calm under pressure and get it to a teammate. You're right too, hb flank is the easiest position he doesn't even have to defend, you just roam around waiting for a handball out the stoppage.

 

[mrmonkey]

He's gotten such an easy ride so far, I don't get why everybody thinks he's an elite kick either. He has a great technique, sure. But he is so defensive with his ball use, of course you are going to be a good kick when you only kick it 20 metres sideways. His one good attribute that has stood out for me is his ability to stay calm under pressure and get it to a teammate. You're right too, hb flank is the easiest position he doesn't even have to defend, you just roam around waiting for a handball out the stoppage.

This was Brad Johnson

Brad Johnson

Age

49

Ht

182cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

14.1

5star

HB

5.6

4star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.8

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.6

3star

at the tail end of his career.

 

[booshboy]

Tom Browne saying Essendon looking at Mahoney to replace Dan Richardson.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Tom Browne saying Essendon looking at Mahoney to replace Dan Richardson.

We appointed him. ****.

I'd demand your future first as compensation but you had to go and trade that.

 

[booshboy]

 

[booshboy]

Mark Williams in a development role...Good appointment.