get bucks

[dales]

if we dont get him now as our coach next year we may not ever see the great man at the club ever again. if richmond appoint him and hes a success it could be a opportunity lost.act now before someone else does.

 

[Smoky]

I couldnt agree more

 

[swiftdog]

Why should Bucks be our next coach?

 

[dales]

because we have had a coach that has been there for 10 years and has not won a thing.hes had his chance and hasnt achieved so it is time to give someone else a chance.how long do you give the guy for f**ks sake.

 

[swiftdog]

I never said I wanted Mick to stay...

 

[the mighty T]

i dont agree that mick should stay...but to be quite honest, malthouse has done a wonderful job with the list that he's had. considering that weve played in the last 3 finals series without any major "superstar" players (bucks not included) i think he's done relatively well.

on the other hand i dont think bucks is ready to coach...i would like the think that gavin brown would be a more experienced coach than bucks. why cant bucks be an assistant before coaching ?

personally, and i know im about to get shot down for this but, mark williams should be our next coach. he took port to a premiership, 2 grand finals and finished on top of brisbane in most of the lions premiership winning years. he has gotten the most out of port and with our young fresh list i think he could make it work.

 

[Snag Breac]

Bucks will take his own advice and do exactly what he wants to do. Fans of North Melbourne and Richmond have been lobbying for him on radio all week. Next year, he'll do what's best for his long-term career, but his heart is still with Collingwood, and wherever he ends up next year, he'll come back to us.

 

[Pie eyed]

Bucks cut his teeth as a player with Port Adelaide but he always knew were he wanted to play his AFL....with Collingwood.
I think his heart will always be at Collingwood and I totally agree with his thinking about getting some "outside" experience at another club.
He may well go to Port, even as a Senior Coach, but it will be practice for the big gig...Collingwood.

I'd love to see him as an assistant at Collingwood but if a few years elsewhere makes him a better coach I'm all for that too.

 

[mattys123]

So for next year as far as Nathan Buckley is concerned, I see the following options;

* Richmond senior coaching job is an outside chance, most Richmond supporters have said they dont want him, and most still hate him.

* Nth Melbourne job is a big chance, will go for a young, inexperienced, cheap option like Buckley will be in his initial contract

* Port Adelaide senior job is the most likely option, as they only seem to employ their own for the top job and Bucks did win a flag in the SANFL with them

* Collingwood, no chance, MM will be coach next year at least, only chance here is as an assistant if he doesnt get Nth or Port job.

My guess, Nathan Buckley will be senior coach at Port Power next year, on a 3 year deal.

We will then probably miss out on Bucks, as we will give MM at least 1 if not 2 more years after this year, then get a new coach while Bucks is still under contract at Port.

If it means missing out on him as coach, I dont think that should effect the club's decision making on whether MM stays or not.

 

[OniAu]

i dont agree with the posters saying if he gets a job elsewhere he will be back at the pies anyway. It wont be the case, its eitheir get him now while we have a strong chance to get him, or risk not getting him and losing him to a tigers or port.

I can see it now , the bad image in my head of him holding the cup up in a few years with cotchin and the pies not even making the 8 lol.

Bucks > Pies
Malthouse > Tigers

Weve stuffed up with not being able to lure "big named players" to the club, not getting bucks will be a big mistake. Malthouse has had his time, as much as i like him the games passed him by like a 35 year old player who cant keep up with the pace of the game.

 

[Pie eyed]

i dont agree with the posters saying if he gets a job elsewhere he will be back at the pies anyway. It wont be the case, its eitheir get him now while we have a strong chance to get him, or risk not getting him and losing him to a tigers or port.

I can see it now , the bad image in my head of him holding the cup up in a few years with cotchin and the pies not even making the 8 lol.

Bucks > Pies
Malthouse > Tigers

Weve stuffed up with not being able to lure "big named players" to the club, not getting bucks will be a big mistake. Malthouse has had his time, as much as i like him the games passed him by like a 35 year old player who cant keep up with the pace of the game.

It's the old "last chance sale" gimmick.

Here is how it is in reality.

If Bucks goes elsewhere as an assistant or a senior coach and does not eventually come back to Collingwood, then he was not the man for the job in the first place...NO?

He is either Collingwood through and through and the answer or he is not.
You can't have it both ways.
He either lives for Collingwood or he doesn't.
If he does then we have nothing to worry about because he will be Coaching at Collingwood very soon.

 

[mattys123]

I really do believe that the only way Nathan Buckley will coach Collingwood in the future is if MM comes to an agreement with Collingwood and Bucks to form a mentor type role for next year, with MM as the head coach and Bucks as a powerful assistant, and then MM hands the job to Bucks after the 2010 season.

But that wont happen, MM isnt going to agree to coach with his successor looking over his shoulder, because when it comes down to it MM will be looking after himself, and so he should.

MM will be resigned as early as this week, meaning Nathan Buckley will not be coach of Collingwood next year, like it or not.

 

[mwalker]

It's the old "last chance sale" gimmick.

Here is how it is in reality.

If Bucks goes elsewhere as an assistant or a senior coach and does not eventually come back to Collingwood, then he was not the man for the job in the first place...NO?

He is either Collingwood through and through and the answer or he is not.
You can't have it both ways.
He either lives for Collingwood or he doesn't.
If he does then we have nothing to worry about because he will be Coaching at Collingwood very soon.

Exactly.

He did everything he possibly could to ensure he ended up at Collingwood after starting his career elsewhere. If he wants to coach Collingwood, be it now or in a couple of years time he will.

 

[rose jam]

The best thing for Bux is to probably coach elsewhere, the best thing for us is for him to be our next coach. I'd like Bux to assistant somewhere next year then we grab him 2011 as senior coach when our list is primed.

Mark Williams should be off limits, no way do I want to see our team turn into an uncontested hold the ball above our head team. Hate the way Port Adelaide plays

 

[WinOrLoseILoveEm]

It's the old "last chance sale" gimmick.

Here is how it is in reality.

If Bucks goes elsewhere as an assistant or a senior coach and does not eventually come back to Collingwood, then he was not the man for the job in the first place...NO?

He is either Collingwood through and through and the answer or he is not.
You can't have it both ways.
He either lives for Collingwood or he doesn't.
If he does then we have nothing to worry about because he will be Coaching at Collingwood very soon.

Beautiful response Pie eyed.

 

[SIDE BY SIDE]

I don't care who coaches Collingwood next as long as they are the best person for the job.I think the best 2 are MM or Bucks and if we miss out on bucks then we miss out. If we don't get Bucks next year there is a big chance he will never coach us. The guy may love Collingwood but there is only one coach and if we don't get him now it will be hard to get him at all. MM is doing a good job at the moment weather he is the best to take us onto the future is anyone's guess but the one guy i don't want is Mark Williams. People say including Mark that he was a captain of Collingwood and we should get him back but lets not forget he walked out on us in the 80's.

 

[OniAu]

It's the old "last chance sale" gimmick.

Here is how it is in reality.

If Bucks goes elsewhere as an assistant or a senior coach and does not eventually come back to Collingwood, then he was not the man for the job in the first place...NO?

He is either Collingwood through and through and the answer or he is not.
You can't have it both ways.
He either lives for Collingwood or he doesn't.
If he does then we have nothing to worry about because he will be Coaching at Collingwood very soon.

I understand what you are saying, you are correct. If he gets an assistants job elsewhere , then yeah there is a chance he may be back at the pies in the near future.

I dont however believe he is the wrong man for the job if he doesnt get it at the pies next year, i think the balls in collingwoods court on whether he coaches us next year or not, its not his decision to be coaching the pies its more a case of whether they will persist with mick for another year or two and then have the risk of bucks being elsewhere already or even at worse choco being somewhere else too, another good candidate for the pies senior coach imo.

Hes stated hes ready to coach next year and wants a job in coaching next year, its a no brainer to chase him now. That was the point i was making , i cant see him being a senior coach and coming back to the pies within five years. Assistants job maybe there is a slight chance he will come back.

Its not a case of whether hes collingwood through and through and if he is, he will be at the pies regardless. Its not the brisbane pies scenario from his playing days.

 

[Pie eyed]

I understand what you are saying, you are correct. If he gets an assistants job elsewhere , then yeah there is a chance he may be back at the pies in the near future.

I dont however believe he is the wrong man for the job if he doesnt get it at the pies next year, i think the balls in collingwoods court on whether he coaches us next year or not, its not his decision to be coaching the pies its more a case of whether they will persist with mick for another year or two and then have the risk of bucks being elsewhere already or even at worse choco being somewhere else too, another good candidate for the pies senior coach imo.

Hes stated hes ready to coach next year and wants a job in coaching next year, its a no brainer to chase him now. That was the point i was making , i cant see him being a senior coach and coming back to the pies within five years. Assistants job maybe there is a slight chance he will come back.

Its not a case of whether hes collingwood through and through and if he is, he will be at the pies regardless. Its not the brisbane pies scenario from his playing days.

My point is that there is no risk.
Which ever way it goes, Bucks will be back at Collingwood as a Coach eventually and if not then he was not really the one for the job in the first place.

Personal p[reference in an ideal world for me would be Malthouse for two more years with Bucks as assistant and a firm undertaking he take over as senior coach to start 2012. Everyone knows where they stand.
I don't for one second think it is that simple but "perfect world" that's my choice.

A lot of people want MM gone as their priority with worries about who will coach totally secondary.

I can't name a single established coach who is available that is any better then MM and unfortunately Bucks has no form.

 

[Keele]

I can't name a single established coach who is available that is any better then MM and unfortunately Bucks has no form

I agree and why some people think MM deserves to be sacked for the sake of getting Buckley is something I cannot comprehend.

If MM walks then it is time he thinks someone else should take the reins.. while he has the desire to bring on these young kids he is developing the above quote applies

 

[swiftdog]

I can't name a single established coach who is available that is any better then MM and unfortunately Bucks has no form.

Agree partly, if we're going to stay with an experienced coach it might as well be Mick. However, he has major weaknesses and I don't think we'll ever be the best team under Mick.

Also agree that Bucks has no form. Another thing that worries me about handing the reins over to Bucks is that he expected a lot, almost too much, from his teammates when he was playing (he did get better as his captaincy wore on). This trait does not translate well to coaching. However, there is another recently retired Collingwood captain that strikes me as a great chocie for captaincy. He was as Collingwood as they come. He was signed as an assistant coach merely 12 days after announcing his retirement, both a testament to his coaching ability and his desire to coach at an AFL club one day (I hope). He was a very smart footballer, also tough and uncomprimising. His name is Sir Scott Burns and is hopefully the next coach of the CFC (wouldn't mind Buckley though).

 

[drummoyne]

It would not surprise me to see a "Brisbane-style" transition at the end of the year if we dont go deep into the finals.

Personally I dont mind either way, I think MM still has a lot to offer but also would love to see Bucks bring his fresh ideas to our club.

TBH I think most clubs would be quite jealous of the predicament we find ourselves in..

 

[Pie eyed]

Agree partly, if we're going to stay with an experienced coach it might as well be Mick. However, he has major weaknesses and I don't think we'll ever be the best team under Mick.

Also agree that Bucks has no form. Another thing that worries me about handing the reins over to Bucks is that he expected a lot, almost too much, from his teammates when he was playing (he did get better as his captaincy wore on). This trait does not translate well to coaching. However, there is another recently retired Collingwood captain that strikes me as a great chocie for captaincy. He was as Collingwood as they come. He was signed as an assistant coach merely 12 days after announcing his retirement, both a testament to his coaching ability and his desire to coach at an AFL club one day (I hope). He was a very smart footballer, also tough and uncomprimising. His name is Sir Scott Burns and is hopefully the next coach of the CFC (wouldn't mind Buckley though).

Burns is only one who has been largely discounted in the order of succession.

Heading the order I would think is Rowdy.

 

[SwanBet]

god i hope we get him

 

[WinOrLoseILoveEm]

I agree and why some people think MM deserves to be sacked for the sake of getting Buckley is something I cannot comprehend.

If MM walks then it is time he thinks someone else should take the reins.. while he has the desire to bring on these young kids he is developing the above quote applies

The ten year without a premiership and losing the possibility of getting Bucks are two emotive arguments preying on our common knee jerk reactions to old sales persuasion techniques the grass is greener ..... and as Pie Eyed pointed out the scarcity principle this offer ends tomorrow sales gimmick.

BTW those interested in principles of persuasion tactics should look up Robert Cialdini's writings on influence and persuasion so they are less vunerable to these very effective strategies when dealing with salesman like Nick Theodossi who used the grass is greener tactic when he vyed for a position on the CFC board recently.