Killer Kowalski
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With no AFL because you will think throwing sticks is the best sport and no need to have anything else
GF to Be Played at other Venues
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With no AFL because you will think throwing sticks is the best sport and no need to have anything else
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They don't get into the gf now. So just keep that the same.
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Imagine trying to get across the country if it was a Fremantle V West Coast final. Securing grand final tickets would be the easy part...finding a plane ticket not so much. It's already difficult when a single WA team makes the grand final. The new 60K stadium probably just meets the cutoff as an acceptable venue.
So Fremantle V West Coast - fine, play it in Perth if that hypothetical match-up ever occurred (but they can't anyway because of current contract until like 2037). But I find it hard to justify the grand final at a non-MCG venue for any other match up.
So Fremantle V West Coast - fine, play it in Perth if that hypothetical match-up ever occurred (but they can't anyway because of current contract until like 2037). But I find it hard to justify the grand final at a non-MCG venue for any other match up.
How many WCE/Freo fans would actually get to watch a GF in a 60k stadium considering all the cooperates and "important people" who take up so many seats. Very few in the answer... Far less than at the MCG
Considering MCG is half filled with MCC and AFL members, of which there would only be a handful of WA team supporters in those exclusive Vic based groups... the answer would be a lot more than you expect.
Happy enough MCG hosts the game. Not happy those 2 Vic centric groups take all the tickets. An AFL membership is only useful in Victoria. When a non vic side makes the GF I believe the AFL reserve should be open for the competing clubs members before any AFL members (gold or silver) with non competing club support are offered a ticket.
Everyone whines about corporates taking all the tickets when the biggest theatre goers sit in AFL and MCC reserves. Was in the bay right next to MCC at 2015 GF and they added absolutely no atmosphere to the game. Wouldn't lose any sleep if that group gets its rights to attend the GF cut. Really should remove those upper bays from the MCC and give it to the people... they hardly ever sit in those seats anyway.
If another city had an adequate stadium it would be far from a dumb idea. Obviously it can't happen for 20+ years anyway, but it should as soon as possible.
If Perth's new stadium was, maybe, 85k or more you could easily have a situation where the game was played at the MCG when a Vic team earned the right to host, in Perth when a WA team earned the right; and when neither earned the right a neutral venue.
So, for example:
Geelong (1st) v Fremantle (2nd) - MCG
West Coast (1st) v Melbourne (2nd) - Perth
Brisbane (1st) v Fremantle (2nd) - MCG
Sydney (1st) v Richmond (2nd) - Perth
Carlton (1st) v St Kilda (2nd) - MCG
At least then the lower ranked team doesn't get the home state advantage in any case.
The disadvantage is that teams often travel to not-Melbourne venues once each per year (sometimes zero) so have no acclimatisation. The MCG could (should, but doesn't) host all teams at least three times during a year, which gives it some sense of neutrality.
MCG has contract locked in to 2040 to host the Grand Final. If it was moved earlier, expect a big $$ payout in the order of millions of dollars, which the club who wants to move the Grand Final can pay if they are the "home" team.
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The afl seating isnt pure afl members
As this lini shows https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...C7AKO5C41kUHK2ltg&sig2=P1_ZUAcr0D6MqNkpBaJAog the math doesnt work.
Some degree of the corporate and afl arrangement would be swiping seats from the afl reserve.
The numbers for afl sponsors, club arrangements, and the like wont be reduced, and this is a massive chunk.
Imo go to a 50k stadium and you will be lucky to get 20k in members attending.
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Sad situation,if the G was renovated to fit 10k more,the AFL would come out and say ,we now have more seats to give to the members but in reality would give those seats to the corporates anyway.
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Probably quite a few, given that the important people and corporates wouldn't be able to get to Perth, or find a decent hotel room if they did. WA people complain about how tough travel is for a GF they're in when there are, maybe 10K people travelling, there would be far MORE people traveling to Perth for a GF (at least 20-30K corporates, officials & AFL members), even without a non WA team involved. Add a non-WA team and you'd be looking at around 40K....impossible.
slight chance of having it in Perth and Adelaide in 20 years time if they can increase their stadiums to around 70k with no MCC to snatch away tickets
however, in terms of neutrality, the MCG is as good as its going to get - 10 sides based in Victoria, not to mention the high capacity and history....
being honest here, if a WA or SA side got to host its own GF in its own city, i feel it would be too much of an advantage for them if its not a derby... an idea to combat that would be to keep Perth and Adelaide stadiums on "stand by" for the GF... if all WA or if all SA sides have been eliminated from contention before finals, then the GF would take place in that corresponding city...
looking back at past seasons since 1997 when Perth and Adelaide have had 2 sides each ...
2000 in Adelaide or Perth (no WA or SA sides in finals, stadium alternated in case of a "draw")
2001 in Perth (no WA sides in finals)
2008 in Perth (no WA sides in finals)
2009 in Perth (no WA sides in finals)
2010 in Adelaide (no SA sides in finals)
2011 in Adelaide (no SA sides in finals)
probably not very do-able...
GF venue would need to be known before the start of the season at the very least, not 4 weeks out
however, in terms of neutrality, the MCG is as good as its going to get - 10 sides based in Victoria, not to mention the high capacity and history....
being honest here, if a WA or SA side got to host its own GF in its own city, i feel it would be too much of an advantage for them if its not a derby... an idea to combat that would be to keep Perth and Adelaide stadiums on "stand by" for the GF... if all WA or if all SA sides have been eliminated from contention before finals, then the GF would take place in that corresponding city...
looking back at past seasons since 1997 when Perth and Adelaide have had 2 sides each ...
2000 in Adelaide or Perth (no WA or SA sides in finals, stadium alternated in case of a "draw")
2001 in Perth (no WA sides in finals)
2008 in Perth (no WA sides in finals)
2009 in Perth (no WA sides in finals)
2010 in Adelaide (no SA sides in finals)
2011 in Adelaide (no SA sides in finals)
probably not very do-able...
GF venue would need to be known before the start of the season at the very least, not 4 weeks out
difference is that in the NFL, there aren't 9 sides based in one city
GF should have been at ANZ in 2003 and 2004 when the MCG reno's were going on.
Having the GF with a big hole to one side of it would have been a massive eye sore for those that attended.
Would have been a testament to the national league to trial a GF outside Vic in the nation's largest city.
I know, the contract dictated otherwise.
Having the GF with a big hole to one side of it would have been a massive eye sore for those that attended.
Would have been a testament to the national league to trial a GF outside Vic in the nation's largest city.
I know, the contract dictated otherwise.
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Easiest way to solve the problem is to have one PF in Perth and the other in Adelaide every year and never in Melbourne. This would further reinforce the national nature of the competition. There aren't nearly as many contractual and membership issues with PFs and the crowd numbers will be less of an issue as to who misses out and states being able to handle the extra tourists as they will know in advance. If I can extrapolate the content of what has been discussed here it is not a big advantage to play on your home ground so that's not a problem. SA and WA also made significant investment into new/ upgraded stadiums with the expectation of getting more premium sporting (including AFL who were involved in the deal) events. I am sure no Victorian supporters have any problems with playing an earned home game in another state because that would make them total hypocrites wouldn't it?
Nice idea but if the AFL were going to go down this path you can bet that they'd be looking to Sydney first.
with ANZ gone, not a chance
Ya recon? SCG still holds a decent crowd.
Everyone in here asking for the GF to be played elsewere are the same total hipocrites who don't want a night grand final because that tradition matters but this one dosen't.
How do you know that?
are there plans for the SCG be expand to 70k?
not me... i want both to happen... progress!
tradition or fair, the MCG makes any decision mutually exclusive .... the concept of earning any advantage versus being gifted, e.g comparing the threepeat of the Hawks & the Lions ....
