Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[00VicWard001]

That rumour is a lot of fun but sounds completely and utterly ridiculous. For one thing, why would a club that prides itself on running itself well not have a competitive recruitment process?

I doubt that Hocking would let this happen. There are much better senior coaches in the making out there. Mark Williams, Clarkson, Alan Richardson, Buckley, Teague, Kingsley, Caracella to name a few.

Would any other team who has no Senior coach even offer Scarlett an interview? He wouldn’t even make it past the first round of selection.

If Scarlett wants the job, he needs to go actually coach a VFL level team or stay in the game in some capacity, not go off on a break. He’s not Clarkson. The game will pass him by in blink. Taking a break is saying I’m good as done in the Senior coaching stakes.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

So this is the list in three years if we don’t draft or trade anyone in. Also something to note is the salaries of Joel, hawk, touhey, smith, Higgins, Dahl and to a lesser extent Stanley and hendo will be off the books and Guthrie shouldn’t be on anything crazy given his four year deal was strangely long - so there is future money to play with. Covid playing havoc means good recruiters and development programs have fertile grounds for mature ages and late pick gems

Add to that the culture and lifestyle we offer players and if Geelong backs itself as a half average organisation it is not all doom and gloom from here. We will need luck and to land some free agents- but if you offered a confident admin and coach the below with 9 games at KP it would be an awfully pessimistic person to think we are ****ed


Backs:
Bews(30)Blitz(32) Henry(25)
Occonor(27) Dekoning (22) Stewart (32)

Back up: Neale (22) Stevens (22) Zuthrie (26) Kolo (29) Atkins (29)

Fingers crossed: Add to the above Clarke and Krueger however if not add some draft currency

Mids: Parfitt (26) Holmes (22) Guthrie (32) Narkle (26) Simpson (26) Stephens (23) Duncan (33)Constable(24) Menegola (32)

Okunbur and Brownless under 25 both put there head over it and will have a crack but would personally be surprised if they get there but hope so.

Ruck: Number 1? Number 2: Esava (26) - Neale, Dekoning and you never know the Greek may be a number one? But obviously we need to trade one In

Forward: Cameron (31) Evans (22) Miers (25) Esava (26) Close (26) Dangerfield (34)



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[My Tilly]

So this is the list in three years if we don’t draft or trade anyone in. Also something to note is the salaries of Joel, hawk, touhey, smith, Higgins, Dahl and to a lesser extent Stanley and hendo will be off the books and Guthrie shouldn’t be on anything crazy given his four year deal was strangely long - so there is future money to play with. Covid playing havoc means good recruiters and development programs have fertile grounds for mature ages and late pick gems

Add to that the culture and lifestyle we offer players and if Geelong backs itself as a half average organisation it is not all doom and gloom from here. We will need luck and to land some free agents- but if you offered a confident admin and coach the below with 9 games at KP it would be an awfully pessimistic person to think we are f’ed


Backs:
Bews(30)Blitz(32) Henry(25)
Occonor(27) Dekoning (22) Stewart (32)

Back up: Neale (22) Stevens (22) Zuthrie (26) Kolo (29) Atkins (29)

Fingers crossed: Add to the above Clarke and Krueger however if not add some draft currency

Mids: Parfitt (26) Holmes (22) Guthrie (32) Narkle (26) Simpson (26) Stephens (23) Duncan (33)Constable(24) Menegola (32)

Okunbur and Brownless under 25 both put there head over it and will have a crack but would personally be surprised if they get there but hope so.

Ruck: Number 1? Number 2: Esava (26) - Neale, Dekoning and you never know the Greek may be a number one? But obviously we need to trade one In

Forward: Cameron (31) Evans (22) Miers (25) Esava (26) Close (26) Dangerfield (34)



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lol, that's a horrible best 22.
Certainly no doubt we will find some gems in the next few years but I doubt a lot of those names amount to much at all.
We need to remember only recently, we were heaping praise on up and comers like Ruggles, Gregson, Lang, Thurlow, Horlin-Smith and Vardy as all showed excellent signs.
So while Holmes, Zuthrie, Ratugolea, Miers and O'Conner show good signs right now, may be a different story in 3 years time.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

lol, that's a horrible best 22.
Certainly no doubt we will find some gems in the next few years but I doubt a lot of those names amount to much at all.
We need to remember only recently, we were heaping praise on up and comers like Ruggles, Gregson, Lang, Thurlow, Horlin-Smith and Vardy as all showed excellent signs.
So while Holmes, Zuthrie, Ratugolea, Miers and O'Conner show good signs right now, may be a different story in 3 years time.

The point of the thought experiment is that the above is WITHOUT any trade, FA or drafts- it’s not saying the above will all be there in 2025 it’s saying this is literally an impossible worst case scenario —— and it still isn’t a basket case


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[CatToTheFuture]

I’m sure petracca was on the trade table a few years back.

Sometimes it all just clicks into place.

Gawn is a special player and a mature head who looks like an amazing captain. Just watching him interact with Fritsch during the game was so nice to see. Like a big brother with a little brother. He’s a big part of how they climbed to the top. And the coaches who decided that they trusted him to be the man.

I think if Viney was still captain, they wouldn’t have been premiers.

With all the equalisation measures, the only sustainable advantage is leadership.

We will miss Selwood when he is gone

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think he has a 30-touch AFL game under his belt?

He has one. Hasn't done it in a while

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So this is the list in three years if we don’t draft or trade anyone in. Also something to note is the salaries of Joel, hawk, touhey, smith, Higgins, Dahl and to a lesser extent Stanley and hendo will be off the books and Guthrie shouldn’t be on anything crazy given his four year deal was strangely long - so there is future money to play with. Covid playing havoc means good recruiters and development programs have fertile grounds for mature ages and late pick gems

Add to that the culture and lifestyle we offer players and if Geelong backs itself as a half average organisation it is not all doom and gloom from here. We will need luck and to land some free agents- but if you offered a confident admin and coach the below with 9 games at KP it would be an awfully pessimistic person to think we are f’ed


Backs:
Bews(30)Blitz(32) Henry(25)
Occonor(27) Dekoning (22) Stewart (32)

Back up: Neale (22) Stevens (22) Zuthrie (26) Kolo (29) Atkins (29)

Fingers crossed: Add to the above Clarke and Krueger however if not add some draft currency

Mids: Parfitt (26) Holmes (22) Guthrie (32) Narkle (26) Simpson (26) Stephens (23) Duncan (33)Constable(24) Menegola (32)

Okunbur and Brownless under 25 both put there head over it and will have a crack but would personally be surprised if they get there but hope so.

Ruck: Number 1? Number 2: Esava (26) - Neale, Dekoning and you never know the Greek may be a number one? But obviously we need to trade one In

Forward: Cameron (31) Evans (22) Miers (25) Esava (26) Close (26) Dangerfield (34)



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Yeah, the backline is passable, the forward line is passable.

We have one weak line and it's the hard one to fix

 

[foxdog50]

He needs to work on giving the ball to players in better spots .
Hopefully our new mid coach can help him.

He will never be a Oliver.

But I'd settle for j.lyons mk2.

Not asking for much....

Or he can be our Libba...

 

[foxdog50]

Jackson is a ripper. When the Dees got on a roll from half way through the third it was with him in the middle, not Gawn. Then again, it wasn't down to his ruck work but the ridiculously elite clearance work of Petracca, Oliver and, to a lesser extent, Viney. Their mids just went berserk.

I copped sh*t in this very thread earlier in the week for suggesting that our lack of elite mids is more of an issue than a lack of a better ruckman, but I think it was proven again last night. When Treloar and the Bont got on top so did the Dogs, then Petracca and Oliver went nuts and so did the Dees. Same goes for Boak and Wines at Port etc.

There's a reason mids win all the awards and that's because it's the mids that win matches more often than not. As I said the other day, there is a new wave of elite mids in town and we have none of them.

 

[fpm84]

From the HS just now:


Geelong wants a draft pick somewhere in between Fremantle’s first and second-round selections to release contracted speedster Jordan Clark

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Jordan Clark

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

back home to Western Australia.

Currently, Fremantle has picks 8 and 27 but the Cats are unlikely to accept pick 27 in return for a player originally recruited with pick 15 in 2018.

It means the Dockers, who look set to receive pick 6 from Carlton for Adam Cerra, will have to shuffle some of their choices to satisfy the Cats with either a late first-round or early second-round draft choice for Clark

 

[Larry Donohue]

I don't mind everything EXCEPT , recruiting Dunkley or Conilgo, Why as they will cost us high end draft picks,and we need to us those picks to recruit the best players in the draft..
Over the next few years I would only try recruit big name players using RFA/UFA.. As we need to hit the draft using the picks in getting the best kids
There is no way Collingwood will deal that with Kreuger etc..
And also unfortunately Henderson doesn’t get a new deal, as I'd ratherive games int SDK, and usehis spot on a Kid

Just throwing ideas out there.
I really think we need a mid 29s mid ofcquality because our old champs won't last much longer

 

[Larry Donohue]

From the HS just now:


Geelong wants a draft pick somewhere in between Fremantle’s first and second-round selections to release contracted speedster Jordan Clark back home to Western Australia.

Currently, Fremantle has picks 8 and 27 but the Cats are unlikely to accept pick 27 in return for a player originally recruited with pick 15 in 2018.

It means the Dockers, who look set to receive pick 6 from Carlton for Adam Cerra, will have to shuffle some of their choices to satisfy the Cats with either a late first-round or early second-round draft choice for Clark

Let's hope we hold our ground

 

[fpm84]

HS also reports:

- Stanley signed two year deal
- Rohan signed one year deal
- Fort likely off to Brisbane

 

[foxdog50]

Just throwing ideas out there.
I really think we need a mid 29s mid ofcquality because our old champs won't last much longer

Lets use our 2 best picks in this years draft to get the best Mids we can..
2 or 3 years under there belt and you never know how good they could come along

 

[PzBlinky]

HS also reports:

- Stanley signed two year deal
- Rohan signed one year deal
- Fort likely off to Brisbane

Happy with points 1 and 3, would been even happier to let Rohan finish up.

If they are going to play him next year, wouldn't mind seeing him in the backline as others have suggested to give us more run (assuming Clark is gone).

 

[Larry Donohue]

Lets use our 2 best picks in this years draft to get the best Mids we can..
2 or 3 years under there belt and you never know how good they could come along

Hoping we get quality covid sliders
Picks in the 30s may well give us that

 

[BigCat1]

Let's hope we hold our ground

If interstate teams want to throw 4 year deals to lure 22 year old contracted players home then there is very little sympathy.

I’m going to love the narrative over the next 3 weeks that Freo supporters are just helping Clark out and that he he isn’t in the side so he can’t possibly be any good and pick 30 odd is plenty.

The article is pretty much spot on. Somewhere between 18-22 is around the mark which of course pushes back on draft night. If not they can hope he goes back next year like Tim Kelly and we get exactly the same deal.

 

[Two Planks]

Happy with points 1 and 3, would been even happier to let Rohan finish up.

If they are going to play him next year, wouldn't mind seeing him in the backline as others have suggested to give us more run (assuming Clark is gone).

Don't think the coach wants run, he wants chip sideways and backwards.

 

[cats_09]

Another thing I noticed in the little vfl I watched was that he was basically jogging in the corridor for large parts of the game.

It looked to me like he just couldn't compete in general play so between stoppages he would just be following the path of least distance forward and back waiting for a stoppage so he could ply his trade. Just semi walking along the edge of the centre square looking to pick out a cheap outlet disposal.

I can't see a role for him at afl level but apparently there's a contract in front of him. I'd delist and pick up whatever mid we can at the draft.

I remember in his first season i watched the end of our VFL match against Casey & Casey just ran over the top of us in the last - we then got our revenge in the seniors with Tuohy kicking the winning goal after the siren

But in the VFL match I was watching young Constable - decided that in the little time left of the match that I'd try to focus on some of the younger guys and he didn't really impress me but I put it down to being a first year player. I remember the Casey VFL guys dominating late in the match & continuing to run, meanwhile Constable looked like he was trying to jog through quicksand and was struggling to get from the defensive 50m arc back to the centre square in time for the centre bounce. He looked spent and I put it down to him being a first year player, this was in the back half of the season and that with another preseason (or 2) we'd start to see improvement in that area from Constable, and running out matches would become easier



I then posted the following during our VFL clash with Footscray this season - this passage was about 14 minutes into the 3rd quarter - checking the play by play scores, Ugle-Hagan kicked a behind at the 14:47 minute mark of the third

Leading up to Miers goal I was trying to focus on Constable as the ball was going back and forth from one end to the other and it was somewhat disappointing for a guy in his 4th year

I know that not all players will have the speed of a Rohan or a Smith, nor will they have the endurance of a Blicavs or Menegola, but at times he was struggling to move through the gears and looked very one paced

The Bulldogs moved the ball from our forward 50 to theirs, I watched him run from one side of the centre square and get nearly 3/4s of the way to the other end and it just seemed that no matter how hard he tried to find the next gear he couldn't - meanwhile teammates ran hard into the defensive 50 to try and create some pressure

When the Bulldogs player was lining up for goal (which he missed), Constable was hands on hips and trying to suck in deep breaths but just looked gassed

I know he can find the ball and rack up the touches, but having watched him in the VFL & AFL this year, I haven't seen him have a genuinely damaging game where the opposition coach would be worried about trying to limit his impact

Constable is now a 4th year player and it seems that we're still discussing issues around his fitness & endurance capabilities, and maybe there's also questions if he can find the next gear when out on the field because he seems to be very one paced, and not someone who works up through the gears when he needs to find that extra bit of pace

 

[cats_09]

From the HS just now:


Geelong wants a draft pick somewhere in between Fremantle’s first and second-round selections to release contracted speedster Jordan Clark back home to Western Australia.

Currently, Fremantle has picks 8 and 27 but the Cats are unlikely to accept pick 27 in return for a player originally recruited with pick 15 in 2018.

It means the Dockers, who look set to receive pick 6 from Carlton for Adam Cerra, will have to shuffle some of their choices to satisfy the Cats with either a late first-round or early second-round draft choice for Clark

This is the interesting line from that article - we keep hearing that Clark wants to be playing more as a defender and it's apparently his best position, yet it seems Fremantle view him as a future midfielder:

In particular, Clark’s speed is a key attribute for the ageing Cats but equally Fremantle is keen to add his running power to a midfield which has to replace the slick Cerra.

 

[Grimoz]

HS also reports:

- Stanley signed two year deal
- Rohan signed one year deal
- Fort likely off to Brisbane

**** me Stanley 2 years, ****ing joke!!!

 

[PzBlinky]

Don't think the coach wants run, he wants chip sideways and backwards.

As much as people bash Scott, he's not an idiot. He can see the system isn't going to work with the current list (at least not in any truly competitive sense i.e. finals).

I have the feeling - with no real evidence to back it up - that the club as a whole got sucked into 2020, thinking a couple more experienced heads would be enough to take the last step. Unfortunately, the game has moved on and we were stuck with yesterday's system (which didn't work against the Tigers anyway).

I'd be surprised if we see the same old, same old in 2022. Maybe it pops up at times, but if it's the prevailing way we play, I suspect we'll be even less competitive... and at that point, Hocking has the ammunition to make even more changes.

 

[cats_09]

fu** me Stanley 2 years, ******* joke!!!

If Fort is headed to Brisbane then it'll be needed, even if the second year is just insurance

Neither Neale or Tsapatolis will be ready to take over as the #1 ruck next year though hopefully we'll see enough next year to suggest that from 2023 we can start to see them taking on more responsibility

And unless you want to be running with Ratugolea as our #1 ruck, retaining Stanley for 2 years isn't the worse option

 

[gaz love x]

Stanley two years is absolutely unreal, not a single reason he should be on more than a one year minimum wage deal.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

HS also reports:

- Stanley signed two year deal
- Rohan signed one year deal
- Fort likely off to Brisbane

Is there an injury riddled talented kid that briabane are trying to fix up we can poach for a crap pick?