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Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3
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We don’t need someone like Greeves with a very similar type in Stevens already on our list.
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There's probably alot more going on here than having low expectations of this years draft pool. The Saints are probably trying to but the brakes on a contender and want to keep themselves strong. If TDK goes down with an injury, they have a very good backup.
The Draft is interesting, the Cats are used to plucking a decent player from nowhere, and I've always personally subscribed to development over rated talent. We are very much the proof of this.
And yes, we can say that Brisbane and their huge pool of R1 players beat us in the GF, but it was pretty close for alot of the match, we had lapses due to JC being on the bench for medical treatment, some positional switches and some players a bit down.
How slow is ollie greeves?? Is he george stevens levels of slow?? Or just low end of avg speed
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In his highlights he seems laconic when he runs, like he's just trotting around without putting in a whole lot of effort. I'm sure that's not the case in reality, but that's how it looks to me.
That time is almost half a minute off the top 10 at the combine, which is a fair gap. I'd love to know where that ranks him amongst all the kids who tested.
Not sure where it ranks, specifically. But I would have thought it shapes as 'pretty ordinary', if you were trying to find a suitable descriptor.
Putting that together, then, he seems to be a player who is not quick and has average endurance, at best. Doesn't sound like a compelling combination at all to me. Still, as always, I'll be leaving it to the best minds at the club to sort out where he fits as a potential option for us on draft night.
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That 2km time is 10s slower than Stevens ran at the combine. That's when Stevens was coming back from an ACL and clearly carrying 5kg+ extra weight.
Stevens is a pretty good long distance runner by AFL standards. It's his first few steps and his acceleration that's non-existent.
I don't know much about Greeves' top end speed but I imagine getting around the ground will be a bit of a weakness if he can only run 6:47 after a fairly healthy season and a block of training.
Was referring to speed. Endurance is somethibg you can improve on, speed not so much
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Slower and weaker at the contest, better overhead and stronger playing forward as a result.
The Stevens comparisons are apt. He probably plays more like Knevitt does in the VFL to the eye with his marking and lackadaisical play, but the similarities to Stevens are there.
The only difference is Knevitt can actually run and shouldn't be as slow as he appears, so it seems to be more of an upstairs issue for him that he can't fix. Greeves just is what he is physically.
It almost feels like a pisstake from Wells if we pick him. He should know by now that Chris Scott is never going to play these players, and with good reason.
GHS, Jansen, Constable, Stevens, Stephens, Knevitt...we've done this experiment already. It doesn't work, and it's only getting harder for that style of player to thrive
We won’t take Greeves. I’d put my house on it.
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Agreed. I keep seeing phantoms taking him just for the Geelong connection.
He's never been our style of player under Scott. He's the antithesis of what he values.
Nobody values these types anymore. Not just a scott thing.
In 2022 wcott revolutionised the transition game by pushing key forwards high up the field and preferring to defend in ourback half so sides couldnt flood us and we had more space to run into.. Then all teams copied us and it has become in a sense the death of the slow mid.. Or the cameron ling types
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It started long before that.
Richmond began the death of the pure contest game by completely ignoring contested ball and clearance, and keeping the ball moving at all costs even if it was in an ugly fashion.
Hawthorn before them prioritised uncontested ball and making the ground as big as possible to defend with their footskills, particularly later on. They were the outlier, and it worked.
Richmond prioritised turnover, and that's been the key to winning a flag ever since. It's the most reliable and efficient way to score, in that it stacks up in any situation - particularly finals.
It's only going to get worse with the new OOB/ruck rules highly likely to limit stoppages and favour continuous run. Your slow inside mid is pointless if he can't even make it to the contest, let alone impact.
Point being, Scott didn't even value these players 10-12 years ago when they were all the rage with Sydney and Fremantle. He's hardly going to change tact now.
Not sure about that. With the benefit of his experience, it's possible that the coach becomes more tactful over the course of his ongoing journey in the game.
I do agree that he's hardly likely to change tack in terms of the value he puts on certain player types, though.
Not sure how fast he is numbers wise.
All I know is that he simply doesn’t have any zip and can’t create space.
He’d wanna be complete class on the inside to counteract that…. And he isn’t.
Honestly wouldn’t want him with anything more than a rookie selection.
Richmond prioritised turnovers in the front half and it was a natural evolution of the forward half press that the pies and saints invented to pick apart bomber thompson and it worked. Hawks were more a quarter back set up from stoppages after turnovers by foot and spread backwards before distributing.
What scott did was the game got to a point where teams kept pressing high and turning it over ans just bombing it Repetitively back into a forward half that was clogged up. He decided to actually defend higher up the field and let the oppo run it to HF then create a turnover and have open space to work into.
Nobody had done this before, including using our talls as marking options up the field and working through smalls back to goal.
This was also highlighted by buckley how he revolutionised the modern game of late the above. Other sides caught up after and copied us
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Other way around.
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Why are people even discussing Greeves?
Is it the name?
Is it the name?
No. He’s correct. If you are born with slow twitch muscles you will never be quick. The reverse does apply with endurance but greater relative gains can be made through appropriate endurance training.
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He is in our "range"
Yeah nah
This.
Speed is mostly genetics. You are not going to find people who are slow who become quick, or average speed players who become quick... It can budge slightly... But its mostly what you are born with.
Endurance has a genetic element also, but can be trained to a greater extent
I noticed that Jagger Mooney and Boston Riccardi are both on the list of draft nominees. Are they considered any real chance of being picked up at all?
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