Give Gilchrist the Heave Ho

[johnnyhoward]

He has come in when Australia are 5 for 100-odd and got important century's while Australia are in trouble. The Pakistan test in 1999 and the England test in 2003 are proof of this.

Yep, what about his knock against the Pakis last year? We were 5-78 until Gilly smashed an awesome ton to break the Paki's back and basically end the series.

Gilly doesn't seem to be able to get away with smashing them like he used to, sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Andrew Flower > Adam Gilchrist.




One of the best batters in the world?


He comes in and makes a ton on average when the Aussies are 5/270+



He bats at 7 and has many not outs...



Definately not top 10 batters in the world.

Once again you show that you have no clue about anything, i dont know if your just doing it to ******** people off or if what you type is all true. I really hop for your sake its the first one

 

[dee_molisher]

Once again you show that you have no clue about anything, i dont know if your just doing it to ******** people off or if what you type is all true. I really hop for your sake its the first one

The problem with Gilchrist, he some good areas where he is strong with the bat only now people know where not too bowl. His shot selection is limited and he gets out the same way everytime. A little soft.

A break from the long game could help him refocus.

 

[YOTC]

Yep, what about his knock against the Pakis last year? We were 5-78 until Gilly smashed an awesome ton to break the Paki's back and basically end the series.

Gilly doesn't seem to be able to get away with smashing them like he used to, sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't.

Actually he only got 69. But took the game away from Pakistan with Langer in one session.

5-78 (Clarke, 26.4 ov), 6-230 (Gilchrist, 55.1 ov).

152 run partnership and Gilly only scoring 69. Shows how well Langer did in that game.

 

[Joe Mama]

Geez, thank christ none of the selectors are as fickle and skittish when it comes to selectiong the side, as some of the people who start these forums.

Yes, he is in a batting slump, but his keeping is still as good as it ever was, the problem here is that because he has been so dominant over the last few years, that a form slump looks a lot worse than what it really is.

And anyway, is there anybody that can replace him ?, only Haddin & Crosswaite come to mind for the ODI's but, he's still be best option we've got, and just like what England has done with Geraint Jones & Ian Bell (gave them plenty of time to improve thier games and arrest thier decline in form), we must do the same for Gilchrist & Symonds.

 

[F/D]

Once again you show that you have no clue about anything, i dont know if your just doing it to ******** people off or if what you type is all true. I really hop for your sake its the first one

Why dont I have a clue?


Andy Flower is a better batsman IMO and I backed it up.


Gilly is top notch too, but IMO Andy Flower who averages 97 agaisnt India and over 70 agaisnt South Africa when these two were very strong is a great effort and his record is as good, if not, better than Gillys.



Open the other eye mate.

 

[Embers]

Isnt Geraint Jones a former Aussie. lets give him a call .

Seriously its time to go Gilchrist, arrogant ********, who cant play now that people have discovered his weakness. Refuses to correct his action, and unlike Haydos Gilly has changed nothing even though he has done nothing for years now

Bring in Hartley

 

[Opportunity Cost]

Gilchrist is not only a batsmen! He is also one of the worlds best wicket keepers (if not the best) and everyone expects him to average over 50. South Africa only have 3 players averaging over 50 in their whole team! We dont expect our bowlers to average that much do we. Richie Benaud put Gilchrist in his best ever 11, that shows how much of a great player he is, you cant just dump a player like that when things get tough.

 

[gerta]

The problem with Gilchrist, he some good areas where he is strong with the bat only now people know where not too bowl. His shot selection is limited and he gets out the same way everytime.

Exactly sides have worked out how and where to bowl to him... Its now up to Gilly to come up with a way to resolve this...

 

[thepowerwithin_30]

Gilchrist is not only a batsmen! He is also one of the worlds best wicket keepers (if not the best) and everyone expects him to average over 50. South Africa only have 3 players averaging over 50 in their whole team! We dont expect our bowlers to average that much do we. Richie Benaud put Gilchrist in his best ever 11, that shows how much of a great player he is, you cant just dump a player like that when things get tough.

Damn straight, couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Opportunity Cost]

Damn straight, couldn't have said it better myself!

Cheers mate!

 

[superstar]

Gilchrist is not only a batsmen! He is also one of the worlds best wicket keepers (if not the best) and everyone expects him to average over 50. South Africa only have 3 players averaging over 50 in their whole team! We dont expect our bowlers to average that much do we. Richie Benaud put Gilchrist in his best ever 11, that shows how much of a great player he is, you cant just dump a player like that when things get tough.

Agreed. Realistically, we shouldn't expect a keeper to average much over 30. Obviously we do expect more from Gilchrist who is in a terrible slump but his primary job remains that of wicket keeper which he is doing well. He's got alot more batting talent than any alternative keeper and enough runs on the board to persist with. He'll come good though I reckon he should be axed form the one day side for a breather.

 

[Sedat!]

Safe as houses for another 12 months at least. Has more than enough credits in the bank already. Form with the bat is a worry though, and needs to be monitored.

Interesting comment earlier in the thread that Boucher ONLY has an average of 30. Most international keepers would kill for an average in the high 20's. Gilly has been a once-in-a-generation freak.

 

[Rob B]

Safe as houses for another 12 months at least. Has more than enough credits in the bank already. Form with the bat is a worry though, and needs to be monitored.

Interesting comment earlier in the thread that Boucher ONLY has an average of 30. Most international keepers would kill for an average in the high 20's. Gilly has been a once-in-a-generation freak.

Yea, an average of 30-35 for a keeper is fine as far as I am concerned, as long as that person can keep wicket well, something Geraint Jones has only just proved. If you are batting number 7, average 30 and keep wicket well you are doing a good job as far as I concerned. Anything higher is a bonus.

The specialists are there to make the bulk of the runs.

 

[eddiesmith]

If anyone thinks Gilly is still a superb keeper who at his age can keep playing ODIs AND Tests and perform well is a bloody idiot

 

[YOTC]

nvm.

 

[pluga_4]

Fact is at his age he aint going to break out of a slump easily, if ever. He needs to retire from ODIs, but he wants to play in the World Cup, problem is at this rate come WC07 he may be playing State cricket only

guess who's released the shackles eddie

 

[Bentleigh]

Andrew Flower > Adam Gilchrist

Gilchrist = keeper/batsman for the greatest 11 of all time side.

One of the first names on the sheet after Bradman.

 

[spell_check]

That's what happens when you make statements like that, antonius.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

This once great player looks clueless at international level. You can drag out the stats and say he averages 40 in 2005 but sometimes stats hide weaknesses. This slump has continued at one day and Test level for a while and apart from the Super Series (farce) he has not looked good.

Should we still give Gilchrist the heave-ho?

Antonius, you are an absolute fool.

 

[YOTC]

That's what happens when you make statements like that, antonius.

Doesn't even compare to the AC thread about Hussey.

 

[pluga_4]

This once great player looks clueless at international level. You can drag out the stats and say he averages 40 in 2005 but sometimes stats hide weaknesses. This slump has continued at one day and Test level for a while and apart from the Super Series (farce) he has not looked good.

I know it's hard to dislodge Symonds from the side, and with Gilly's reputation it might also be awhle before he goes, but should Haddin be brought in?

(I know this board is solely state-biased so please no WA people enter the thread. I'd prefer some objective opinions as to why you think he should stay).

clueless at international level???

antonius my friend, you are the one with no clue

 

[Borry]

(I know this board is solely state-biased so please no WA people enter the thread. I'd prefer some objective opinions as to why you think he should stay).

Well, he is in good touch atm, and has proved his matchwinning ability tonight.

 

[SWANNIES RULE]

Fact is at his age he aint going to break out of a slump easily, if ever. He needs to retire from ODIs, but he wants to play in the World Cup, problem is at this rate come WC07 he may be playing State cricket only

LOL...

Good call

 

[pluga_4]

Fact is at his age he aint going to break out of a slump easily, if ever. He needs to retire from ODIs, but he wants to play in the World Cup, problem is at this rate come WC07 he may be playing State cricket only

i wouldn't worry too much about gilly's age eddie.

worry about your own keeprs age first