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After years of players like Perrie and Gill and the like, not to mention serial poor kickers competition-wide, I've always been under the impression that goalkicking is something that is almost impossible to fix once you reach AFL level. Unless there is something totally strange that you can easily remove from their game, generally these players continue to make the same mistakes year after year - the same poor routine, the same poor ball drops, the same poor kicking action. Clearly it's not something you can fix up by going away and practicing over the preseason.


Or is it? As some of you may recall, I went down to training a number of times over the summer and one thing I always noticed was the amount of time Porplyzia and Tippett spent practicing goalkicking. Porps spent most of the summer recovering from shoulder surgery, and would basically run/jog himself into the ground for an hour and a half or so, and then when he was totally exhausted, he'd practice kicking for goal. 25m out at five different angles, then 60m out at five different angles, then 40m out at five different angles, all over the forward line. He'd think about what he was doing and then execute it, getting it right more often than not.

Tippett trained with the rest of the group but was almost always the last to leave the field, and would basically work different angles, back and forth, about 30-40m out from goal. He'd kick goals for 30+ minutes solid after every training session, after two hours of work. His goals didn't always go in but what I noticed was that, as the months went on, his kicks started to look better. His misses were closer, the goals were more common, the ball drop looked cleaner. Sometimes he would work with a trainer for a while, other times he'd just go off by himself and do it.

Sometimes they would work with another player who would roll them the ball and they'd have to recover it off the ground and quickly turn around and snap the goal from whatever angle they were on anywhere from 15m to 40m out from goal.


Porplyzia's goalkicking has pretty much turned him into a commentator's wet dream this year - how easy must it be to talk about him when he gets the ball? His set shots are brilliant, and his kicking in general play is not far behind. I'm seeing him kick goals this year that I don't reckon he would have kicked last year, and they're exactly the stuff I saw him training in the summer.

Tippett's goalkicking is still not great, especially when he's at an angle, but nowadays straight in from, 20-40m out is basically a guaranteed goal from him, whereas last year it would have been a 50/50. From an angle he's gone from occasionally fluking it last year to being a decent chance this year.



I firmly believe that these two players have stepped up their goalkicking because they literally spent probably a couple hundred hours each practising it in the summer. Gill practised his goalkicking but never for the time these guys did. I saw Petrenko and Jacky often working together trying to practice kicking goals from the boundary line 30m out but they never really seemed to be taking it very seriously. Sellar did a fair bit of goalkicking practice too but I haven't had the chance to see him in AFC colours yet.


I hope that the club takes a look at it and points it out to the players. Go and practice your goalkicking for an hour a day, after you've already worked hard. Get used to executing your routine when you're tired. Understand the things you do right and wrong and how to work through them.


We're a side that gives away way too many oppurtunities due to poor kicking for goal and these two players need to be held up as a shining example of how to go about working on your deficiencies. It can be done.
 
Whats that saying? It takes you 10000 kicks for goal or something to work out your style? I may of inflated it a bit, but its goes something like that. Gill's probably stuck with his kicking style, but Tippett's relatively new to the game so if he kept practicing he should improve. Dangerfield's misses were simply because he got too close to the man on the mark and hurried the ball drop due to panicking. As these guys mature and get some more AFL experience they should get used to the pressure of the crowd and their technique and hopefully see improvement over the next few years.


Porpoise is just a natural footballer, hes found a technique that will work for him, and goes about it the same every time and therefore hasn't missed a set shot, even tough ones from the boundary line and 55 out. I remember the last few years he missed some ones he would nail 100% every time now, so its probably just an adapting thing.

From all your reports about training and whatnot, it seems like Knights does the same thing by staying back and being such a perfectionist and its paying off lately isn't it?

Good post though, very interesting.
 
What get's me, is the complete lack of a goal kicking coach in most teams and the lack of time dedicatred to it. You've said in your post stabby, that Tippett stayed behind.

Bloody keep the whole group out for an extra 20 minutes and dedicate it to kicking at goal.

Once you develope a an effective routine, it's money, believe me.

1. Develope understanding on where the mark is.
2. Go back your predetemend paces from the mark to give you adequate run up.
3. Establish apropriate grip on the ball (again this comes down to preference)
4. Determine any effects on the kick ie wind.
5. Line up the target according to effects (left post, 1m iside post etc)
6. Run STRAIGHT AT the target, the amount of players that deviate from their line is amazing. With your shoulders SQUARE to the target.
7. Get a decent amount of momentum before you kick.
8. Make sure you will kick with at least 5 meter between you and the mark.
9. Watch your ball drop all the way. Release it from your hand as late as practably possible (less time in the air on the way down the better). Drop with a nice distance between your body and the ball, you will sky the ball and lean back if it's too close. A further drop will force you to lean forward and follow through.
10. Kick straight through the ball. As up and down as is comportable. Lean forward, follow thrugh and get your balance foot off the ground a bit with that follow through.

11. Watch it sail through.

12. Repeate at training at least 100 times.
 

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i dont ever comment much but i really appreciate the commentry and would like to add my opinion.

its hard to expect someone to stay back on the job (because I never stay back more than I have to on my normal day job), however at the same time, it really shows the dedication which Porps and especially Tippet is putting in. I am especially happy to hear about Tippet because I know how hard he works on the field, but I didnt know how much dedication he put on the training field.

I could only imagine how good Danger will be if he had a straight boot on the weekend, was really excited to see him make those 5(?) marks on the lead in the forward 50.
 
Most perceptive, Commander. Tippett made that very point in an interview early this year where he mentioned that coming from a basketball background he hadn't really got a strong handle on goal kicking. He said in that interview that last year, if the side didn't play on Sunday, he would go to Max Basheer Reserve in the morning to practice. He reckoned Bill Sanders did him the huge favour of coming down to kick returns to him. He also said that a footballer has to have several thousand practice shots to get his routine fully set.
I agree that there should be more emphasis on goal kicking at the Crows. We should have kicked 10 in the 1st q on Saturday.
 
Or is it? As some of you may recall, I went down to training a number of times over the summer and one thing I always noticed was the amount of time Porplyzia and Tippett spent practicing goalkicking.
The difference is that Porplyzia and Tippett are skillful, coordinated, balanced athletes. Tippett a basketball gun. Porplyzia the most natural looking footballer I've seen for a while at the AFC. Their ability to improve one part of their game is higher than Gill or Perrie, who are both uncoordinated and awkward.

The only way Gill or Perrie would be able to improve their kicking skills would be to do some serious work to fine tune their gross motor skills. That means they need to do lots of things like gymnastics and learning how to juggle. Plus 10,000 hours of kicking. Basically they would have to abandon all other aspects of training just to rectify their kicking deficiency, so I guess the net result from doing this might be negative anyway.

A routine is not the solution for these guys. All it means is that they would kick equally badly all the time.

6. Run STRAIGHT AT the target, the amount of players that deviate from their line is amazing. With your shoulders SQUARE to the target.
Darren Jarman ran at an angle.

7. Get a decent amount of momentum before you kick.
Tony Lockett?

9. Watch your ball drop all the way. Release it from your hand as late as practably possible (less time in the air on the way down the better).
James Hird?
 
birdman24 - 10,000 probably isn't too much of an overestimate. I would say 200 hours, and if they kick two a minute, that's 6,000 kicks this summer.

WALL-e - I wonder, could they basically incorporate it into training? It probably loses some of it's effect when you're waiting your turn or lots of people are running in at the same time. You're trying to do your run up but other people are doing it too and getting in your way etc. What at least needs to happen is that the players should have it outlined to them how much of an improvement can be made if they do it. The really dedicated ones will take that on board. I teach maths at Uni and I know that when people work their ass off their grades go through the roof. I give my students specific examples of this happening and give them tips on how to maximise it's effectiveness, and even promise to give them extra time helping them out if they do more work, but I can't force it and inevitably only the really dedicated ones take me up on the offer. Those are the ones that actually pass the course.

Spackler - not everyone has the same routine, but there can be no doubt that for many players having a set routine (that they can perhaps tweak slightly) would help. As others have said, Dangerfield could use a better routine because he might not end up too close to the man on the mark all the time. As for players like Perrie and Gill there's no doubt they are working with weaker tools than Tippett and Porplyzia, but you can't tell me that they wouldn't improve with lots of repetition, and hopefully someone there to tell them if they're doing the right thing or not.

As for not going straight at the goals, I always wonder about this. You see so many people breaking left and then snapping back. Someone like Buddy Franklin is probably going to influence a whole bunch of kids to have terrible goalkicking technique. Imagine if you had a pro golfer who always stood off to the left of the ball but then hit it in such a way to fade it back onto the fairway, it would be lunacy.
 
Spackler - not everyone has the same routine, but there can be no doubt that for many players having a set routine (that they can perhaps tweak slightly) would help.
How? If you are a bad kick then you are a bad kick. Cosmetic change at best, that's only there so that the assistant coaches can prove that they're actually doing something.

As others have said, Dangerfield could use a better routine because he might not end up too close to the man on the mark all the time.
Dangerfield still doesn't feel comfortable at AFL level. You can see that he is often looking to pass off, is uncertain and not backing himself. Remember that pass to Walker against the Bulldogs when he had a set shot from 40 metres?

But Danger is a gun. If we do nothing then his goalkicking will improve immensly the more games he plays. If we tinker with his routine and kicking action, then he will become an average kick.

As for players like Perrie and Gill there's no doubt they are working with weaker tools than Tippett and Porplyzia, but you can't tell me that they wouldn't improve with lots of repetition, and hopefully someone there to tell them if they're doing the right thing or not.
But this is my point. There is no "right thing." There is not a cookie-cutter approach to kicking style. Jarman, Lockett, Hird, Daicos, Fevola... all very different in how they kicked the ball.

As for not going straight at the goals, I always wonder about this. You see so many people breaking left and then snapping back. Someone like Buddy Franklin is probably going to influence a whole bunch of kids to have terrible goalkicking technique. Imagine if you had a pro golfer who always stood off to the left of the ball but then hit it in such a way to fade it back onto the fairway, it would be lunacy.
Jack Nicklaus? Hit with a fade.
 
Darren Jarman ran at an angle.


Tony Lockett?


James Hird?
Darren Jarmen and James Hird are freaks of nature and do not have to worry about thinkgs like this.

They don't need the practise.

As for locket him going at a half jog has the same inertia as most others at full tilt so it would have worked fine.
 
I don't really agree with you Carl, though I do admit that there are some players who make what is generally considered "poor" technique work for them.

People who are poor at a skill can improve their skill. I don't think someone like Gill could ever be a good kick, but he could be a much better kick than he is now. To keep up my maths teaching example, I've taught some people who were just shocking at mathematics, they just didn't have the ability to do it well. Nevertheless, I was able to get them up to a level good enough for it not to detract from their field of study. Also, with many players they seem to be a fine kick in general field play but not when kicking for goal - surely something that can be worked on by repetition.


I also can't agree that "tinkering" with someone's routine will stuff up their kick. What stuffs up someone's kick is if you keep tinkering with it over and over and being reactive to slight issues. What you need to do is get in early, get a routine that works, and then stick with it, ironing out problems as you go but not changing it whenever it's not work right.


I agree that your list of players all have different kicking techniques, just as many experts in their field are slightly off-kilter with the general group. However, for those who are underachieving, getting them back to something tried and true can only help them.
 
birdman24 - 10,000 probably isn't too much of an overestimate. I would say 200 hours, and if they kick two a minute, that's 6,000 kicks this summer.

WALL-e - I wonder, could they basically incorporate it into training? It probably loses some of it's effect when you're waiting your turn or lots of people are running in at the same time. You're trying to do your run up but other people are doing it too and getting in your way etc. What at least needs to happen is that the players should have it outlined to them how much of an improvement can be made if they do it. The really dedicated ones will take that on board. I teach maths at Uni and I know that when people work their ass off their grades go through the roof. I give my students specific examples of this happening and give them tips on how to maximise it's effectiveness, and even promise to give them extra time helping them out if they do more work, but I can't force it and inevitably only the really dedicated ones take me up on the offer. Those are the ones that actually pass the course.

As for not going straight at the goals, I always wonder about this. You see so many people breaking left and then snapping back. Someone like Buddy Franklin is probably going to influence a whole bunch of kids to have terrible goalkicking technique. Imagine if you had a pro golfer who always stood off to the left of the ball but then hit it in such a way to fade it back onto the fairway, it would be lunacy.
2 ends of the ground, forwards and mids working on it, backs kicking it back practicing their passes.

Buddy's kicking action is attrocious and is 'play on'.

I vomit every time he kicks.

He only kicks well from the left pocket as it suits the reverse swing he gets due to him running at a bad angle, dropping the ball sideways and kicking around his body too much.

A perfect action for that pocket, but unfortunately for him, it's his only action.
 
Only thing wrong with Dangers kicking THIS week was he got far too close to the man on the mark forciung him to lean back and stab at it.

Ball had no punch to it.
 

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People who are poor at a skill can improve their skill. I don't think someone like Gill could ever be a good kick, but he could be a much better kick than he is now. To keep up my maths teaching example, I've taught some people who were just shocking at mathematics, they just didn't have the ability to do it well. Nevertheless, I was able to get them up to a level good enough for it not to detract from their field of study. Also, with many players they seem to be a fine kick in general field play but not when kicking for goal - surely something that can be worked on by repetition.
Not a teacher but I'd wager that people who struggle at maths haven't spent much time on it, right throughout their school life. Because they haven't invested the time, they are poor at it. And because they are poor at it they avoid it at all costs which only accentuates the problem. The gap between them and the better students widens. Basically they are playing catch up footy.

Then someone like yourself comes in and they start investing the time. And improve, which is great. But the issue was that they hadn't invested the time. It wasn't that they didn't have the ability.

The difference here is that Perrie and Gill are footballers. Which means they have been kicking a footy every single day of their lives for 20+ years. And they are still shit at it. So good luck fixing it.

I also can't agree that "tinkering" with someone's routine will stuff up their kick. What stuffs up someone's kick is if you keep tinkering with it over and over and being reactive to slight issues. What you need to do is get in early, get a routine that works, and then stick with it, ironing out problems as you go but not changing it whenever it's not work right.
This is where I disagree. The worst thing a coach can do is tinker with something that is natural and happens automatically. Using Dangerfield as an example, he is 19 years old and has probably been playing footy for 14 years, kicking the ball a certain way.

If a coach decides that he needs a 'new' technique, then the player needs to rehearse this new technique for 14 years until the new technique is as natural as the one he has got now. All of a sudden the player is trying to control the kicking action with conscious thoughts - trying to remember what they're meant to be doing - rather than having the subconscious control it.

Who is the AFL player that would have received the most instruction and 'help' with their goalkicking over their career? Matthew Richardson. And I don't think any of this advice has helped him at all.
 
Well, I certainly haven't played footy so I can't say for sure.

Working in someone like Danger's favour would be that he was in the AIS (he was, wasn't he?) - so you know he's already been coached by some of the best in the land.


But let's take Danger as an example. He is getting too close to the man when he kicks - not every time, just some times. Which means that A) he's clearly not executing the same routine every time, and B) what he is doing is not right. Something like that can obviously be fixed up, but you can't just say to him "stop getting too close to the man on the mark" or "take three less steps" and expect him to fix it up by next weekend. He needs to practise it every day for months to erode the bad habits of a lifetime.


Also, take my word for it, I've taught plenty of people for whom mathematics is simply something they have difficulty doing. They've spent plenty of time doing it but they just don't have the aptitude for it. I get what you're saying about Perrie playing football his whole life though, it's a fair argument. If they've spent so much time on it already it's difficult to change.
 
But let's take Danger as an example. He is getting too close to the man when he kicks - not every time, just some times. Which means that A) he's clearly not executing the same routine every time, and B) what he is doing is not right. Something like that can obviously be fixed up, but you can't just say to him "stop getting too close to the man on the mark" or "take three less steps" and expect him to fix it up by next weekend. He needs to practise it every day for months to erode the bad habits of a lifetime.
No doubt he is getting too close to the man. But I think his issues at the moment are simply because he doesn't yet feel he belongs at AFL level.

He doesn't look that confident when taking a shot. He's hesitant. Seems self conscious that the entire game has come to a standstill just so that he can shoot for goal. It seems to me that he is worrying about whether he should pass off, whether he should play on, what the coach wants him to do...

Give it 12 months, or even less. When he is confident he belongs at AFL level he will take a mark, turn his back on anyone who is leading, go back and drain the goal. Then he can start thinking about what the wind is doing and where the man on the mark is. This will simply come with time.

Also, take my word for it, I've taught plenty of people for whom mathematics is simply something they have difficulty doing. They've spent plenty of time doing it but they just don't have the aptitude for it. I get what you're saying about Perrie playing football his whole life though, it's a fair argument. If they've spent so much time on it already it's difficult to change.
Look at Gill and Porplyzia. Both play at the AFC, both have worked on their goalkicking, both have access to the same coaches/instructions and the same environment...

One has improved, the other hasn't. The difference is the player. It has nothing to do with the coaching.
 
Look at Gill and Porplyzia. Both play at the AFC, both have worked on their goalkicking, both have access to the same coaches/instructions and the same environment...

One has improved, the other hasn't. The difference is the player. It has nothing to do with the coaching.

But this is my whole point. Gill wasn't the one out there practising a hundred set shots a day, Porplyzia was. Perhaps if Gill had undertaken the same amount of goalkicking practice he would have improved too. I wouldn't expect him to get to Porp's current level but surely he could get above his own current level.
 
Who is the AFL player that would have received the most instruction and 'help' with their goal kicking over their career? Matthew Richardson. And I don't think any of this advice has helped him at all.

From memory Roo changed his kicking style and routine half way through his career. He went from just running and and blasting away to his whole counting out the steps and having his little skip half way through.

I do stabby the players could greatly benefit from having a set routine, not necessary change the way they kick the ball but help them develop a set order and structue to how they run in. This would help eliviate alot of problems like getting to close to the man on the mark etc.
 
From memory Roo changed his kicking style and routine half way through his career. He went from just running and and blasting away to his whole counting out the steps and having his little skip half way through.

I do stabby the players could greatly benefit from having a set routine, not necessary change the way they kick the ball but help them develop a set order and structue to how they run in. This would help eliviate alot of problems like getting to close to the man on the mark etc.
You're right, Ricciuto did add a routine to his set shot goal kicking. But he was an outstanding player and an exceptional kick of the ball anyway. He could have added a cha-cha midway through his run up and still been an excellent kick at goal.

I'll grant you that maybe his routine added some final polish but first and foremost, he was an outstanding footballer and an outstanding kick. That was the important thing and the key to his success. Having a routine doesn't paper over any cracks in your technique as far as I'm concerned.

But this is my whole point. Gill wasn't the one out there practising a hundred set shots a day, Porplyzia was. Perhaps if Gill had undertaken the same amount of goalkicking practice he would have improved too. I wouldn't expect him to get to Porp's current level but surely he could get above his own current level.
But Gill has spent hours practising his goal kicking. It was highlighted many times last season that he was doing extra work, particularly after some of his more embarrassing misses. You can't tell me that he hasn't clocked up hours in front of the sticks too.
 

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Darren Jarmen and James Hird are freaks of nature and do not have to worry about thinkgs like this.

They don't need the practise.

I vaguely remember an interview with DJ where he said he was sick of people saying he was lucky to have natural ability. Paraphrasing, he said the reason he was so good is because he spent vast amounts of time as a kid just kicking the ball. He was so good because he practised a lot.

Chris
 
No doubt Chris, he'd probably had a ball in his hand from birth.

I meant they don't require further kicking practise. Not that they never did.

Repetition is key. Routine=comfort.
 
Aussie Rules Footy will never be truly profesional untill there are specialist coaches and extra training time for this area.

In Soccer players spend countless hours practicing to curve the ball and dead ball moves.
In Basketball, many American coaches demand their players practice basics like jump shots and free throws for hours at a time.
Gridiron, the punter is a specialist spot with a production line of punters going through the system.

Aussie Rules??
 
Aussie Rules Footy will never be truly profesional untill there are specialist coaches and extra training time for this area.

In Soccer players spend countless hours practicing to curve the ball and dead ball moves.
In Basketball, many American coaches demand their players practice basics like jump shots and free throws for hours at a time.
Gridiron, the punter is a specialist spot with a production line of punters going through the system.

Aussie Rules??


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