Goals in time on...

[Alpha1]

I have noticed that the Tigers kicked quite a few goals in time on on Thursday, not sure if any of you have noticed this, this is worrying as it has been going on for a few years now. Against better teams this is going to be very costly, and I think it has happened to us in the past. What could be the reasons for this? We need to sort this out quickly and stop conceding goals at the *** end of quarters.

 

[bluekidjoe]

We score well and run well throughout, then when we get to the end of each quarter we raise the ball in the air and do the chipping around bullsh*t.

That tactic more often than not results in the ball being turned over and goals being kicked against us... we really lose momentum and confidence when the chipping plan turns sour.. and like u said, against good teams we'll be destroyed..

 

[Jeremias]

Conceding goals in time on of each quarter has been a huge problem of ours for a number of seasons now, and that continued on Thursday night agains the Tigers.

It seems as though our game plan dictates that we are to slow the game right down at approximately the 20 minute mark of each quarter, where we proceed to chip the ball around and try to pin-point out targets around the ground.

Unfortunately, our skills are not good enough to do this effectively so it leads to many turnovers, and if the Tigers can take advantage of that on the scoreboard, then so too can the other 14 clubs that we will face.

It is a fine ploy but unless you have the foot skills to back it up it may well come back and bite you on the ass.

I have no problem with us doing it but it should be employed later in the quarters rather than earlier.

If we were to start using it at say the 25 minute mark of each quarter rather than the 20 minute mark of each quarter we would see a great reduction in the number of goals kicked against us in time on. Having said that, 25 minute mark at the very earliest. Also, it's OK to do it when we are on the back foot to slow the play down and try get a little momentum going, but it should NOT be used when we are on the front foot. Go for the kill rather than giving the opposition to regroup, restructure and get back into the game.

 

[The Toad]

We score well and run well throughout, then when we get to the end of each quarter we raise the ball in the air and do the chipping around bullsh*t.

That tactic more often than not results in the ball being turned over and goals being kicked against us... we really lose momentum and confidence when the chipping plan turns sour.. and like u said, against good teams we'll be destroyed..

Exactly. I dont see why we would want to stop the momentum we have by chipping around to soak up time at the end of every fricken quarter. If we are getting scored against then fair enough, but not when we have all the play, it just doesn't make any sense.

Not only do we give up goals to the opposition, but we are probably missing out on scoring opportunity's ourselves.

Hate it and it must stop or as a few of you guys have said, against the top sides it will cost us dearly.

 

[jd2006]

The biggest problem I could see was when it came down to chipping it around the only guys that were presenting were two of our worst kicks in the side, Warnock and Bower.

 

[NAUGHT5]

The biggest problem I could see was when it came down to chipping it around the only guys that were presenting were two of our worst kicks in the side, Warnock and Bower.

*Shakes Head*

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I think we tend to rest a couple of the better midfielders towards the end of quarters to give them an extended break leading into the second quarter. It is basically up to the second stringers to prove themselves as everyone needs to rotate.

It's like when Judd gets a rest. You can just feel our momentum slowing.

 

[jd2006]

*Shakes Head*

Ok maybe there are a couple worse but Bower isn't the safest kick going around. Especially when he gets lazy and tries dinky little chips off one foot

 

[The Exorcist]

It makes me unhappy

 

[Alice]

Ok maybe there are a couple worse but Bower isn't the safest kick going around. Especially when he gets lazy and tries dinky little chips off one foot

He's a silly boy isn't he - should always kick with 2

 

[HBF]

We leak some goals in time on, but a number of them came as a result of a turnover, and Richmond were able to take advantage of this. Whilst Richmond were terrible on Thursday night, we are not at a point where we can dominate a game for the entire match - you only have to look at the Hawthorn/Melbourne match to see a similar-ish result.

 

[Sin City]

I thought it was a problem last year, actually worse than what I've seen at all this year. At times we'd be going well then let teams back into the game late in the quarter. Really hope they can work something out and fix it.

 

[jd2006]

He's a silly boy isn't he - should always kick with 2

Meant to be off one step.

 

[Malifice]

We slow it down waaaay too early IMO. 5 minutes to go in the quarter, is too early to be holding the ball in the air.

Backfires on us nearly every time.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

It's like when Judd gets a rest. You can just feel our momentum slowing.

That is the best thing about his suspension - Players like Gibbs, Murphy, Russell, and McLean will be called upon to demonstrate superior leadership and try to 'stem the flow'

It's inevitable that we will lose momentum each and every match, more likely, each and every quarter. But how these blokes in the middle respond - how tightly they mark their direct opponent, how well they assess when to defend and when to attack, and how well they slow down play and direct traffic - will be crucial to our success in the next couple of games especially.

Hopefully that translates to having the luxury of letting Judd rest up on the bench for a final 5 minute assault, whilst Murphy, Gibbs and co. are able to maintain or at least minimise a shift in momentum.

Judd just wasn't born with his influence on the football field, he earned it - Murphy and Gibbs certainly have the talent to match that influence and I hope one of these next two games will see them assert it!

We slow it down waaaay too early IMO. 5 minutes to go in the quarter, is too early to be holding the ball in the air.

Backfires on us nearly every time.

Personally I loved seeing this versus the Tiges and earlier versus the Crows in the practice match. Did we do it well? Not really - Warnock ended up with the ball to often without any pace around him to recieve the handball - Bower got a little overwhelmed and missed a few targets, and Anderson lacked composure as well.

Do we need to practice it? Yes, obviously - and what better time to practice it than in front of 70 thousand people at the MCG in a match that was never out of our control. We were still put under pressure and those passages of play as an exercise will be rewarding for our team.

 

[jd2006]

It was the 21 minute mark of the 1st quarter when Thornton put the ball in the air. The quarter went for another 9-10 mins from then on.

Some commentator last year made a good point with this holding the footy in the air crap. It shows a sense of tiredness and giving up scoring for the quarter, usually by a side who has been on top. The side that has been down and doesn't have the ball seems to lift when the see a player put the cue in the rack at the 20 min mark of a quarter.

Can't remember exactly who it was the talked about it but it stuck in my head. It sums up what seems to happen whenever we try and slow it down. The other side gets a real sniff, kicks one, then 2 then 3 and we really struggle to stem the flow

 

[HARKER]

We slow it down waaaay too early IMO. 5 minutes to go in the quarter, is too early to be holding the ball in the air.
Backfires on us nearly every time.

I'd love to know the stats on that........... (Think time)............. Maybe I wouldn't.

I'd sooner see a turnover through general play.
I'd sooner an out of bounds on the full.
I'd sooner not want to smash my TV if watching at home, but when that ball goes up so does my blood pressure.

The single part of our game plan I detest without boundaries.

 

[juddsentant517]

I see the logic behind slowing down the play, and it is an essential skill

Obviously this is an assumption, but our team is still young, especially our running/linking players. They are not fit enough to run all game, so they slow down the play, a couple of minutes to the end of the quater. Hopefully, midway through the season, we will perfect this "chipping" skill, as well as improve the fitness of the players. Instead of being able to run hard for 25 minutes a quater, they will be able to run 26 minutes, than 27 minutes, etc, until they can run out a whole quater.

 

[Azul]

Whatever happened to Justin Cordy? Weren't we one of the fitter sides going into time-on a couple of years ago?

In any case, the game has caught up with us and we need smarter rotations. Too much is left to our 'A' team.

Assuming 3 talls back and 3 talls forward, that leaves 16 players a week rotating through the centre square. Are we utilizing our full 22 optimally or do some players need bursts on the ball rather than stints on the pine?

 

[Malifice]

I'd love to know the stats on that........... (Think time)............. Maybe I wouldn't.

The single part of our game plan I detest without boundaries.

I'm with you 100%.

And I reckon those stats would be damning.

How about we hold the ball up as a signal for "I'm about to take the game on and slice through the center of the MCG with intent"

I don't mind it when we are 5 points up with a minute to go in the final term, but that's the only exception.

 

[thylacine60]

I'm with you 100%.

And I reckon those stats would be damning.

How about we hold the ball up as a signal for "I'm about to take the game on and slice through the center of the MCG with intent"

I don't mind it when we are 5 points up with a minute to go in the final term, but that's the only exception.

Enjoying your A material, MalMan. Love the idea actually.

 

[bigboyblue]

I'm with you 100%.

And I reckon those stats would be damning.

How about we hold the ball up as a signal for "I'm about to take the game on and slice through the center of the MCG with intent"

I don't mind it when we are 5 points up with a minute to go in the final term, but that's the only exception.

This'd be when I'd hate it most, cos we're bound to stuff it up! Seriously though, I've lost count of the number of times this has failed us, and it seems most on here agree.

The worst part is, as others have suggested, the amount of times we use this "tactic" when we're dominating in general play. I understand people get knackered towards the ends of quarters but if our boys are tired, the other mob's probably are too - hence the prior dominance. All the better for keeping the pressure on I reckon...

What I can't understand is that nothing annoys footy coaches more than goals in junk time. This tactic has, for a couple of years, seen us concede goal after goal in junk time. Um, time for Ratts to reconsider the tactic?

 

[Team Mo']

Is this the signal for turnover time?

 

[Alpha1]

What I don't understand is why with over 8 minutes left, we start the shitty chip it around crap. We aren't a very skilful team, we should just dominate or at least try and get the ball into the forward line as much as possible. Isn't it better to kick a goal or 2 ourselves instead of letting teams back into the game in time on?