God discussion

[vjknight]

If god made the universe... who made god?

the 1st person who saw it as a way to make money.

Yeah, but we haven't won enough flags.

disagree. we have won our share. however one club in particular have embarked on a continuous cycle of cheating to take more than their share. and until they are crushed into oblivion, there is no god.

 

[Vicky Park]

the 1st person who saw it as a way to make money.



disagree. we have won our share. however one club in particular have embarked on a continuous cycle of cheating to take more than their share. and until they are crushed into oblivion, there is no god.

VJK, there is definitely and categorically no God. However, that cheating club you refer to is undisputed proof that the devil exists and there is darkness and evil in the world.

 

[KJpie]

Lol KJ we won't stop overpopulating so its either move off planet or starve.

I'm all for populating as long as I don't have to pay for their upbringing? If caught more than happy to move off the planet!

Starve is not an issue!

I had some guy call me last week asking me if I had any clothes to donate to the starving, I told him to piss off as I'm 120 kg and if they could fit into my clothes they are hardly starving.

 

[forwardflanker]

If god made the universe... who made god?

the chicken obviously

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The whole discussion is bunk anyway, as far as I'm concerned. You've got one side who has a nigh-on impossible task of proving their case, and another who doesn't have to prove anything because theirs can't be falsified, barring God itself actually appearing to us and saying "nup, wasn't me".

Now wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pigeons!

 

[Mick98]

Might as well argue about which come first,the chicken or the egg.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Nathan Buckley of course.

Beat me to it. Need to go on Bigfooty more.

 

[Old Spice]

No, man definitely came long before Yahweh and Jesus - biblical scholars and most Christians would concede that. The 'discovery' of the existence of God was really the invention of God. If you read the old Testament, before Yahweh (Jewish name for God) were Baal, Asherah etc. Yahweh was just one of the gods until a claque of Yahweh freaks returned from exile in Babylon to push Yahweh on the people that remained in Judah. Hence did the 'miracle' of Yahweh begin, with a bunch of zealous freakos railroading a rural population in a small kingdom.

 

[noideaatall]

There had to be something before the first universe was created. Nothing can't just become something

Here I was thinking I was communing with a bunch of toothless yobs and ya turn out to be navel gazers. How disappointing, something turns out to be nothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ablett,_Sr. God's heritage is detailed at this link for the uninformed.

Something from nothing? Hun tries it on every week as regards news a la pies. Collingwood has done a fine job of making something from nothing over the years too: Twiggy Dunne, James Manson and Jack Anthony come to mind. Tony Shaw did it on his own.

I suspect we are not bad at making nothing from a something too but thats another story.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Might as well argue about which come first,the chicken or the egg.

If you're a creationist (that means believing in mumbo jumbo/magic)then the chicken. If you're an evolutionist (that means you use scientific principles) then the egg.

 

[jonbe54]

I'm all for populating as long as I don't have to pay for their upbringing? If caught more than happy to move off the planet!

Starve is not an issue!

I had some guy call me last week asking me if I had any clothes to donate to the starving, I told him to piss off as I'm 120 kg and if they could fit into my clothes they are hardly starving.

Lol KJ works for me.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

never thought i would see a thread on this on our board lol.

for the record i believe there is a God

 

[JOELY]

Might as well argue about which come first,the chicken or the egg.

 

[EXNICKS]

never thought i would see a thread on this on our board lol.

for the record i believe there is a God

If there is a God, then why hasnt he shown himself?
If he is our Father then why does he let children (his children) suffer and die?
What sort of Father does that? Definatley not a loving father.
In the Old testament GOD was a Vengeful God, a Jealous God, look how he treated Job (The Man).
In the New Testament he is a loving God, a Forgiving God.
Sounds Shcizo to me.
The Bible is just a Folk Story, just as The Aboriginals have Dream Time.
God was created by Man to have Power over other men, you know, using Fear, "Do as I say or suffer Eternal Damnation".
The Unanswered questions about the Universe, Us, Death etc, are not "Only God knows" answers, its just that we dont have the answers yet, just as 100 Years ago we new stuff all.
Religion IS A SCAM, it is used to control people, to give a false sense of security.
I truly wish there was a God, but unfortunately it is the Biggest Joke on the Human Race.

 

[jonbe54]

E=mc2, Matter and Energy are the same thing, in a different form.
Matter came into being because at the Big Bang, for some reason, there was more matter than antimatter, if they were in equal amounts then they would have annihilated each other out, energy, light.
Matter won out, though atm it is a topic of research as to why there was more matter than antimatter.

All good but what made matter? How did matter come to be? What were the original components of matter?

Whether through science or religion there are no answers that don't provide further questions.

 

[Old Spice]

Even if matter was outweighed by antimatter (and just stating I have no idea about this stuff) how did it originate? I take it this has something to do with energy, but isn't energy something too?

 

[Old Spice]

The thing though with God Jon is that you can actually trace the development of Gods/God/animism to the historic and prehistoric (pre-writing) periods of human existence. You can therefore understand when God as a concept began and discuss each individual religion and it's claims.

The origins of cosmic life, however, are much more dificult to get our head around.

 

[jonbe54]

The thing though with God Jon is that you can actually trace the development of Gods/God/animism to the historic and prehistoric (pre-writing) periods of human existence. You can therefore understand when God as a concept began and discuss each individual religion and it's claims.

The origins of cosmic life, however, are much more dificult to get our head around.

Fair cop Spicey, the origin of anything is horrible stuff to even attempt to codify. How about time? We are told time started when the big bang happened, so pre-big bang whatever existed was timeless? For how long?? And what about before that???

Simple fact is every question we 'answer' brings up 20 more we can't.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Fair cop Spicey, the origin of anything is horrible stuff to even attempt to codify. How about time? We are told time started when the big bang happened, so pre-big bang whatever existed was timeless? For how long?? And what about before that???

Simple fact is every question we 'answer' brings up 20 more we can't.

Sorry John but what does this have to do with God?

 

[Old Spice]

Fair cop Spicey, the origin of anything is horrible stuff to even attempt to codify. How about time? We are told time started when the big bang happened, so pre-big bang whatever existed was timeless? For how long?? And what about before that???

Simple fact is every question we 'answer' brings up 20 more we can't.

Those are quite true. Can space stretch forever or does it stop, how can we understand the origins of time and space? I certainly can't grasp it although someone gave me a twisted rubber band explanation which was not a convincing metaphor.

 

[jonbe54]

Sorry John but what does this have to do with God?

I didn't start the track OA simply following the crooked trails of others.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I didn't start the track OA simply following the crooked trails of others.

Ok, fair enough, play through.

 

[jonbe54]

Ok, fair enough, play through.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

We are told time started when the big bang happened, so pre-big bang whatever existed was timeless? For how long?? And what about before that???

That's an oxymoron. Before time there was no "how long".

 

[Obese Arachnid]

That's an oxymoron. Before time there was no "how long".

Yes, the question before this was, "how thick?"

This question was pondered by a large percentage of female scholars & some men.