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News Gone: Daniel Talia

Daniel Talia next year?

  • Takes a year off, he’s a champ, he can do what he likes!

    Votes: 2 3.9%

  • Is drafted / signs to another team

    Votes: 42 82.4%

  • Goes undrafted / not signed to another team

    Votes: 7 13.7%

  • Signs as a coach somewhere next year

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .

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FR0GGY said:
The couple of pieces I picked out of it were

He hadn’t had a chance to catch up with the team after the game (I assume due to covid) but keen to catch up with the seniors for some beers.
Won’t go to the bnf due to alcohol, not the sort of event he needs to be going to when he needs to train.

keen to play on to show certain people that he still has a few years left.

not as bullish as some people at the club or supporters on our finals chances next year due to certain things that need to be improved behind the scenes.
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That 'seniors' thing is what I can't get my head around. What about 'a few of the boys'. Why specifically state you have no intention of mixing with non-senior players. I can't believe anyone is talking finals next year, especially inside the club. But that is us, as I've posted numerous times, the rebuild is done.
 
He hasn't gotten on the park in 18 months. Club now has an absolute plethora of options at KPD.

My guess is that the decision not to extend him is a mixture of list direction and knowing just how severe his injury is.

Let him have a few pot shots at the club on the way out, we just have to continue to show that we have valued/cherished him as a player, and make sure we stay classy on our end.
 
I wonder how Talia now views the back end of 2020?

Played through injury and delayed surgery to help us get a few wins. Desperate to help start build some sort of winning culture. In his mind sacrificed his own body for the team to help Nicks get his coaching reign off the ground.

12 months later...?
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
I wonder how Talia now views the back end of 2020?

Played through injury and delayed surgery to help us get a few wins. Desperate to help start build some sort of winning culture. In his mind sacrificed his own body for the team to help Nicks get his coaching reign off the ground.

12 months later...?
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Or had a contract with good payment per game and bonus triggers and it's backfired ?
 

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Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
I wonder how Talia now views the back end of 2020?

Played through injury and delayed surgery to help us get a few wins. Desperate to help start build some sort of winning culture. In his mind sacrificed his own body for the team to help Nicks get his coaching reign off the ground.

12 months later...?
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One of many things I admired about Talia. Apart from being a champ and great clubman, I always admired how he tried to finish match even though he looked physically hurt. Them he would show up the next week.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
I wonder how Talia now views the back end of 2020?

Played through injury and delayed surgery to help us get a few wins. Desperate to help start build some sort of winning culture. In his mind sacrificed his own body for the team to help Nicks get his coaching reign off the ground.

12 months later...?
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Something that seems to go past A LOT of people on these threads..... (my guess is people who've not played a lot of sport)

All players, particularly older KPP's, tend to play through some sort of niggle/injury throughout the season...

Rest does not always fix these problems, and these niggles are just part of the game. They don't always warrant non-selection. Talia was 'managed' 3 times in the 2nd half of 2020.

Talia played through soreness and only discovered at the end of the season (he didn't delay surgery) that he'd in fact played through a torn meniscus. It's the sort of injury that would normally put a player out, but it must not have been so obvious that he wasn't able to play on it.

12 months later the club were clear in that they wanted to at least see some sort of recovery/progress, and that hasn't eventuated.
 
WeedsMullet84 said:
Something that seems to go past A LOT of people on these threads..... (my guess is people who've not played a lot of sport)

All players, particularly older KPP's, tend to play through some sort of niggle/injury throughout the season...

Rest does not always fix these problems, and these niggles are just part of the game. They don't always warrant non-selection. Talia was 'managed' 3 times in the 2nd half of 2020.

Talia played through soreness and only discovered at the end of the season (he didn't delay surgery) that he'd in fact played through a torn meniscus. It's the sort of injury that would normally put a player out, but it must not have been so obvious that he wasn't able to play on it.

12 months later the club were clear in that they wanted to at least see some sort of recovery/progress, and that hasn't eventuated.
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"I'd actually been playing with a torn meniscus so I knew something wasn't right because I couldn't bend the leg and couldn't really move for the last 10 weeks.

After nursing the injury through the second half of the season, Talia battled through swelling to play his 200th in the final match – something he admits may not have happened in previous years.

"I couldn't really train, I couldn't bend it or change direction … I'd have one run and my knee would blow up," he said.

"It was really about managing it and we're a pretty young group and in normal circumstances in a team that's top-four you probably just wouldn't play.

"But I think in the position we're in it's really important to be out there and teaching the young guys and developing them."
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Talia's body quitting on him shows how important it is that we don't let our players play through injury. Need to take things out of their hands to a degree and protect them from themselves.

Our coaches need to grow a pair.

Malcolm Blight: "I'm not here to make friends."
 
Interesting comments from a preseason interview

Veteran defender Daniel Talia has touched on the difficulties he and the older players at the club have faced over the past few years, coinciding with the Crows’ free fall from Grand Finalists in 2017 to wooden spooners in 2020.

“I’m not going to lie, as a senior player it’s been really hard to go through competing for a premiership and then a couple of years later, every mistake you could make as a club you probably have,” Talia said on SEN SA Drive.

“We’re in a complete rebuild stage now. We’ve got 20 guys under 20 and it’s just a completely different spot to be in. It has been really hard for the older portion of the group adjusting to that. It’s difficult but in saying that, we’ve got a job to do now. That’s where guys like me, ‘Tex’ (Taylor Walker), ‘Lynchy’ (Tom Lynch), and that sit. It is difficult compared to 2017 and 2018 when we were right up there flying.

“Every club goes through that period and we (this group of older guys) are still here. From a fans’ point of view, we’re doing a lot of work with these young guys to usher in the next generation. I think everyone knows where we’re at. Hopefully the club can be more competitive and build their way up from bottom to competing in three or four years.”
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I wonder what decisions/actions he would regard as mistakes?

Talia speaks candidly on Crows' free fall and the mental impact

Daniel Talia admits 2020 was a struggle.
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I'm sure Talia has some really pertinent things to say about the club - where it's been, where it's going. However by spitting the dummy and not going to the B&F he just comes off as a whinging player who got cut
 

Yeah, so both he and the club didn't know he had a torn meniscus. He's saying that in that past tense.

He's saying that he was pushing himself through games 'for the kids', but no doubt he was also trying to get himself to 200 games as well.

Sure the club has some fault here, but a lot of communication regarding injuries comes from the players as well.
 
WeedsMullet84 said:
Yeah, so both he and the club didn't know he had a torn meniscus. He's saying that in that past tense.

He's saying that he was pushing himself through games 'for the kids', but no doubt he was also trying to get himself to 200 games as well.

Sure the club has some fault here, but a lot of communication regarding injuries comes from the players as well.
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It's exactly as I said

He pushed himself through an injury that was more significant than a niggle.

And I wonder how he now views this decision.

When players leave we (well, some fans) tend to try to paint the leaving player as the devil incarnate who's to blame for everything (played on for a monetary trigger and to chalk up his 200th game... that selfish bastard. His knee was probably fine, nothing different to any older player. Glad he's gone. He was the problem with our culture all along. Don't let the door hit you on the way out cat boy)
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
Talia's body quitting on him shows how important it is that we don't let our players play through injury. Need to take things out of their hands to a degree and protect them from themselves.

Our coaches need to grow a pair.

Malcolm Blight: "I'm not here to make friends."
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Nicks comes off more like a players coach than a harsh disciplinarian. I don't see us winning a flag under him tbh.
 
Mr_Moogle said:
Nicks comes off more like a players coach than a harsh disciplinarian. I don't see us winning a flag under him tbh.
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It's a fine line for coaches. You need buy in but you also need to make the right decisions. Too heavy on the buy in element and you end up making popular calls rather than correct calls.

However if you make really prudent, unemotional calls then you can get players offside quickly.

I mentioned Blight and he has the gravitas to come in and do things his way - who is anyone to question? When you're a newbie it's more difficult to make an unpopular but correct decision. No runs on the board.

FWIW I think Nicks has done a reasonable job taking over a club that was mid-plummet. We've levelled out without imploding. Whether we can rise with him...? Early days Bolton and early days Teague were seen to be on the right track. Once expectations ramped up a fraction though they fell short.
 

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Lol that excuse is obvious bullshit.
These guys are AFL footballers, there would have been numerous times that he’s been out with family or friends to functions and has been unable to drink alcohol there, these guys are used to it.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
It's a fine line for coaches. You need buy in but you also need to make the right decisions. Too heavy on the buy in element and you end up making popular calls rather than correct calls.

However if you make really prudent, unemotional calls then you can get players offside quickly.

I mentioned Blight and he has the gravitas to come in and do things his way - who is anyone to question? When you're a newbie it's more difficult to make an unpopular but correct decision. No runs on the board.

FWIW I think Nicks has done a reasonable job taking over a club that was mid-plummet. We've levelled out without imploding. Whether we can rise with him...? Early days Bolton and early days Teague were seen to be on the right track. Once expectations ramped up a fraction though they fell short.
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I think we need to be brutally honest

Nicks didn't only take over a team in free-fall but a club that was a rabble and had lost its soul, and purpose for existence.

Nicks, with Kelly, Silvers and Olsen are not just rebuilding a team but rebuilding the club, it's purpose and its culture.

This group has also had to rebuild the club through a pandemic period, managing the fall out of the camp, dealing with the Crouch and Stengle incident, now managing Tex's incident.

Hopefully with couple more good acquisitions this off season both in the footy dept, and playing list we can then start to see some real progress as a club.

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Over thenpast few years we have seen:

- Jenkins leak info to the media
- Crouch take Stengle out on a coke bender
- Sauce refuse to play sanfl
- Tex's racial slur
- Talia throw rocks at the club on his exit

Your senior players are a big part of a clubs culture journey, I can see why Nicks wants to clear the deck

Time for the next generation to lead this club forward



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Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
It's exactly as I said

He pushed himself through an injury that was more significant than a niggle.

And I wonder how he now views this decision.

When players leave we (well, some fans) tend to try to paint the leaving player as the devil incarnate who's to blame for everything (played on for a monetary trigger and to chalk up his 200th game... that selfish bastard. His knee was probably fine, nothing different to any older player. Glad he's gone. He was the problem with our culture all along. Don't let the door hit you on the way out cat boy)
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Yeah, but he didn't know it was more than a significant niggle until seasons end.

Not sure there's actually a lot of people doing what you've mentioned It kinda feels like you're searching for an issue where there isn't one.

I'm sad he's gone, but i think it's a wise decision by the club to move him on.

We would have intimate knowledge of his injury, and our list profile going forward, mixed with the fact we don't know what his contract demands were, means he's out the door.
 
WeedsMullet84 said:
Yeah, but he didn't know it was more than a significant niggle until seasons end.

Not sure there's actually a lot of people doing what you've mentioned It kinda feels like you're searching for an issue where there isn't one.

I'm sad he's gone, but i think it's a wise decision by the club to move him on.

We would have intimate knowledge of his injury, and our list profile going forward, mixed with the fact we don't know what his contract demands were, means he's out the door.
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Yes he did.

The injury didn't get worse once he'd had a scan.

The injury was the injury. He's described not being able to train, run or change direction.

Whether we've made the right call now is not the issue. I am glad we've moved him, Lynch and Mackay on. What I'm wondering is how he now views the decisions he and the club made at the back end of 2020.
 

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