News Gone: Daniel Talia

[WaynesWorld19]

Not if a FA contract is lodged during free agency window. He'll not be delisted by then. We should have moved him to the rookie list instead of Mackay, then we wouldn't have to delist him until last List lodgement per rookie draft.

We won't do that to Talia

 

[1970crow]

We won't do that to Talia

I know we wouldn't. Still, if it was something we could do it might force the contract to be put forward during free agency period rather than waiting for DFA to happen. It's just something that might help get the free compo on offer.

 

[Soggy2112]

Apologies for coming in so late, but I am all of 24 pages behind.

I'd appreciate some brief answers, or a summary, please:
Talia has said he's got 3 or 4 years still in him at the highest level. Why did the Crows not offer him a contract?
Is there some kind of ill-feeling between Talia and Nicks (who has admitted to clashing with Seeds last year)?

Realistically I see it as a win win for both parties, for us we have Butts and Murray, Worrell waiting in the 2s and potentially McAsey if that’s his home down back and Nicks seems keen on the Frampton experiment, Talia playing would only impede their development. Instead Talia gets to head to a finals/premiership contender and give himself a crack at a flag that he won’t get here.

From the sounds Talia wanted to stay in Adelaide, seems quite loyal and also doesn’t want to uproot his whole family. Unfortunately the relationship soured a little bit between him and the club which is sad to see, however I think it’s the kind of tough decision that must be made, and he has more than enough credits in the bank for us to forgive a few bad comments and a no show at the B&F.

 

[CrowBloke]

Unfortunately the relationship soured a little bit between him and the club which is sad to see, however I think it’s the kind of tough decision that must be made, and he has more than enough credits in the bank for us to forgive a few bad comments and a no show at the B&F.

I like the win-win explanation, makes sense, but it looks like Talia doesn't see it that way.
I was surprised by the Club's decision, given Talia's record (2 x AA ?) and how I perceived his standing/status at the Club.

What "few bad comments", please?

 

[Soggy2112]

I like the win-win explanation, makes sense, but it looks like Talia doesn't see it that way.
I was surprised by the Club's decision, given Talia's record (2 x AA ?) and how I perceived his standing/status at the Club.

What "few bad comments", please?

Gave the club a little clip in a radio interview, link is in this thread somewhere.

 

[MRB37]

Realistically I see it as a win win for both parties, for us we have Butts and Murray, Worrell waiting in the 2s and potentially McAsey if that’s his home down back and Nicks seems keen on the Frampton experiment, Talia playing would only impede their development. Instead Talia gets to head to a finals/premiership contender and give himself a crack at a flag that he won’t get here.

From the sounds Talia wanted to stay in Adelaide, seems quite loyal and also doesn’t want to uproot his whole family. Unfortunately the relationship soured a little bit between him and the club which is sad to see, however I think it’s the kind of tough decision that must be made, and he has more than enough credits in the bank for us to forgive a few bad comments and a no show at the B&F.

Rumour I had heard and haven't been able to confirm anywhere is his partners parents moved to Adelaide to be closer to them and help out with the kids since COVID was making that tough to do and I'm guessing/assuming Talia thought he'd be offered a contract, so there was no issue with them moving. Now 12 months later not only does he have to uproot his life, but so do his in-laws as well. If true that's where the bad blood is supposedly coming from. Maybe we made promises to him, maybe not, unfortunately we can't make list management decisions based on what family members are doing.

Anyway, the Carlton mate who thinks they're definitely getting Clarkson says the Blues are into Talia too.

 

[Mutineer]

Rumour I had heard and haven't been able to confirm anywhere is his partners parents moved to Adelaide to be closer to them and help out with the kids since COVID was making that tough to do and I'm guessing/assuming Talia thought he'd be offered a contract, so there was no issue with them moving. Now 12 months later not only does he have to uproot his life, but so do his in-laws as well. If true that's where the bad blood is supposedly coming from. Maybe we made promises to him, maybe not, unfortunately we can't make list management decisions based on what family members are doing.

Anyway, the Carlton mate who thinks they're definitely getting Clarkson says the Blues are into Talia too.

Isn't Talia's partner an Adelaide girl?

 

[FR0GGY]

Rumour I had heard and haven't been able to confirm anywhere is his partners parents moved to Adelaide to be closer to them and help out with the kids since COVID was making that tough to do and I'm guessing/assuming Talia thought he'd be offered a contract, so there was no issue with them moving. Now 12 months later not only does he have to uproot his life, but so do his in-laws as well. If true that's where the bad blood is supposedly coming from. Maybe we made promises to him, maybe not, unfortunately we can't make list management decisions based on what family members are doing.

Anyway, the Carlton mate who thinks they're definitely getting Clarkson says the Blues are into Talia too.

Isn’t his mrs from Adelaide?

 

[MRB37]

Isn't Talia's partner an Adelaide girl?

No idea, I don't follow that stuff close at all. Doesn't preclude her parents having been living in Melbourne and moving back to Adelaide though.

Like I said, was a rumour I was told, but could certainly explain why Talia was so PO'd at the club.

 

[Mutineer]

No idea, I don't follow that stuff close at all. Doesn't preclude her parents having been living in Melbourne and moving back to Adelaide though.

Like I said, was a rumour I was told, but could certainly explain why Talia was so PO'd at the club.

I think you're source doesn't know what they're talking about personally.

 

[MRB37]

I think you're source doesn't know what they're talking about personally.

Not a "source" just something I was told.

 

[1970crow]

No idea, I don't follow that stuff close at all. Doesn't preclude her parents having been living in Melbourne and moving back to Adelaide though.

Like I said, was a rumour I was told, but could certainly explain why Talia was so PO'd at the club.

Talia would be PO'd because he's not immune to our 'senior player entitlement syndrome'. He'd have banked on 2 more years at max salary keeping Butts out even if he is playing poorly on a torn meniscis. It's his right as a senior player after all.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Talia would be PO'd because he's not immune to our 'senior player entitlement syndrome'. He'd have banked on 2 more years at max salary keeping Butts out even if he is playing poorly on a torn meniscis. It's his right as a senior player after all.

It’s most senior players. Listened to Issac Smith justifying all the Geelong oldies, “you can trust senior players not to play if they are injured whereas young players will want to play”

wasn’t exact wording but that was the jist

 

[hey shorty]

It’s most senior players. Listened to Issac Smith justifying all the Geelong oldies, “you can trust senior players not to play if they are injured whereas young players will want to play”

wasn’t exact wording but that was the jist

People are naive if they think it's just ours

 

[Mismatched]

It’s most senior players. Listened to Issac Smith justifying all the Geelong oldies, “you can trust senior players not to play if they are injured whereas young players will want to play”

wasn’t exact wording but that was the jist

He’s been drinking far too much of the Geelong “blind self interest” coolaid.

 

[1970crow]

Edmund (I think it is) on SEN this morning reckoned he's going to Tigers as a delisted free agent. Wish he was put on the rookie list so we could have held him on our list until the list lodgement prior to that. I bet he's getting at least $500k x 2 and we're missing out on band 5 that could have gotten a deal with Dogs over their first across the line.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Edmund (I think it is) on SEN this morning reckoned he's going to Tigers as a delisted free agent. Wish he was put on the rookie draft so we could have held him on our list until the list lodgement prior to that. I bet he's getting at least $500k x 2 and we're missing out on band 5 that could have gotten a deal with Dogs over their first across the line.

I do not get what we have done with Talia and Lynch which means we might get no compo at all. Can someone explain it?

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I do not get what we have done with Talia and Lynch which means we might get no compo at all. Can someone explain it?

You might see a lot of articles stating that he's been 'delisted' or that he's already a 'delisted free agent', but they're technically not delisted yet.


They won't be delisted until the list lodgement dates in late October. Until then they're still eligible as a UFA.

In regards to both Talia and Lynch, the following applies:

• Unrestricted Free Agency – This is the earliest opportunity to move, with the free agency period opening before the trade period. Choose a club and sign with them, Adelaide gets no say in it, but may receive compensation depending on the contract and fancy formula. Isaac Smith netted Hawthorn a Band 5 pick as a 31 year old last year, for example. There are more examples here and the formula breakdown is here.
• Trade – Choose a club, Adelaide and chosen club negotiate a deal, etc. As you said, only likely if the destination club are getting a compo pick and don't want to lose it, otherwise they'll just move him via UFA.
• Delisted Free Agency – After the trade period, before the draft, there are two windows for DFAs to move (one after each list lodgement date). I think there's a third window after the draft as well. No compensation for Adelaide through that process.
• Draft – He can theoretically nominate for the draft, but why the heck would he want to do that? Zero benefit for anyone involved.
• Supplemental Selection Period – last ditch option if no one wants him straight away on their senior list. This will put him on a rookie list sometime over the summer.

IMO Talia will get traded to Richmond as a DFA as they won't want to take him in the Free Agency period as this would interfere with any compensation that Richmond would get for Maribor Chol.

This is specifically referenced (Maribol Chol being listed as an UFA) in this article.

AFL clarifies free agency compensation situation

The AFL has clarified its rules surrounding compensation for clubs affected by recent changes to free agency rules.

www.theage.com.au

Tom Lynch? Not sure on this one as there haven't been too many rumours about interested clubs, but he'd need to be traded to a club that doesn't have any Free Agents leaving, and even so they would need to take him in the FA period for us to get compensation.

Edit: Also, the only thing that might stop a club from waiting until the DFA period to take a player is if they get worried that another club might swoop in. After the FA period another clubs list management team might see Talia/Lynch being available and make an offer, thus it would make sense for a club to just get the deal done in the FA period if they're able to

 

[radiojake]

Should scrap FA compo completely

Especially this year is a good chance to bring it in - no high profile FA likely to leave?

 

[Golumless]

Should scrap FA compo completely

Especially this year is a good chance to bring it in - no high profile FA likely to leave?

Absolutely not.

We're (like all clubs) inevitably going to lose players from FA, so fight hard to keep that coverage. It's not only dumb but ultimately a self-harming argument otherwise. Especially as trading players whilst they're in contract, and without them having a veto will never be a thing in this league.

Having your picks downgraded by 2-3 (primarily after the 1st round) most years is sweet **** all to pay to make sure that when you do inevitably end up the loser of FA, you've at least got something other than cap space to help pick up the pieces.

 

[Vhaluus]

Absolutely not.

We're (like all clubs) inevitably going to lose players from FA, so fight hard to keep that coverage. It's not only dumb but ultimately a self-harming argument otherwise. Especially as trading players whilst they're in contract, and without them having a veto will never be a thing in this league.

Having your picks downgraded by 2-3 (primarily after the 1st round) most years is sweet fu** all to pay to make sure that when you do inevitably end up the loser of FA, you've at least got something other than cap space to help pick up the pieces.

If they're an unrestricted free agent it's on you for not paying them as much as they are clearly worth on the open market.

If they are a restricted free agent and you want compensation you always have the option of matching.

 

[Thetrader15]

Absolutely not.

We're (like all clubs) inevitably going to lose players from FA, so fight hard to keep that coverage. It's not only dumb but ultimately a self-harming argument otherwise. Especially as trading players whilst they're in contract, and without them having a veto will never be a thing in this league.

Having your picks downgraded by 2-3 (primarily after the 1st round) most years is sweet fu** all to pay to make sure that when you do inevitably end up the loser of FA, you've at least got something other than cap space to help pick up the pieces.

Any compi should be based on the highest offer you made prior to them getting another deal (set dates for this, say end rd 23 for all offers, then FA offers start 1-Oct).

Then you are compensated based on how much you value the player you are actually losing, but as there's a break before the FA deals, it's harder to play the system.

 

[Geoffa32]

Anything been said about him going to Essendon?

I know they are keen


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[1970crow]

I do not get what we have done with Talia and Lynch which means we might get no compo at all. Can someone explain it?

If they don't lodge FA paperwork then they just wait until we're forced to delist to open up the spot for the national draft. If they were moved to rookie list last year, then we could wait until the list lodgement prior to that draft. If they're still on our list, I presume they can't train or rehab at their next club.

They should lodge under FA and we should get our compo, if the contract warrants. If they don't, then their only benefit is denying us compo if it's warranted by contract metrics. That annoys me.

 

[George CantStandYa]

If they don't lodge FA paperwork then they just wait until we're forced to delist to open up the spot for the national draft. If they were moved to rookie list last year, then we could wait until the list lodgement prior to that draft. If they're still on our list, I presume they can't train or rehab at their next club.

They should lodge under FA and we should get our compo, if the contract warrants. If they don't, then their only benefit is denying us compo if it's warranted by contract metrics. That annoys me.

Why would Richmond do us a favour and not just wait?