Review Good Bad Ugly v Lions

[RicMcHart]

Frampton would have to be close to the worst KPF to represent the club for more than a few games in the club's history.

Don‘t be too hard on Billy Frampton as big men take longer to develop and we must get him up to 50 AFL games ASAP to benefit from his talent!

 

[Truck25]

Talent gap is plainly obvious

Can tank all you want, it won’t change until the ones selecting/coaching are swapped out.

We have limited players with AFL level ability. Rest are overachieving to be just a guy and/or shouldn’t be out there.

Winning a couple games against better opponents seems flukey at this point.

Losing games against other poor sides is a better litmus for where the organization truly is.

Can disagree with me all you want—but Nicks has to go

Young players should be improving as year goes on, not regressing.

We overvalue our high picks and it blinds us from reality (see, Fogarty, Frampton, et al…)

It brings me no joy saying any of this. But have great experience with a fanbase overvaluing coaches and players.

I sense a lot of that going on with this organization unfortunately

FFS AC, we just did that. new head coach, 1 1/2 yrs ago, new head of football 2 yrs ago, new line coach's this year.
You want a bloody magic wand to fix everything the instance the change is made, It Does not work that way!
Young players are improving (and Frampton is not a high pick Power drafted him with #84 and we traded a future 4thy round so hardly over rated).
Now we need time to develop not rash BS decisions.

 

[Mutineer]

These are examples of exactly what I'm talking about

Butts played a handful of games last year and couldn't establish himself as a regular. Proves himself in the pre-season and gets picked for round 1 and all games since

McHenry plays bits and pieces, wasn't picked round 1 2020 and couldn't establish himself. Proves himself in the pre-season, gets picked and has played every game where available.

Sholl is one example of a player that did establish themselves in 2020 (along with Keays and Schoenberg).

We do the rebuilding in the off season where we decide the players we want to "rebuild" with. From that point on we don't do any further rebuilding, the side is "built" (temporarily) and we wait until the next off season to begin rebuilding again

McHenry played Round 2 in 2020 and had a stretch of 6 games, missed round 8 and 9 and then played round 10 and 11 and obviously wasn't finding enough ball to retain his place....No SANFL to find form for a recall.

Talia was fit to play for a large part of 2020 and we had Hartigan and Fischer McAsey played round 1 to 12 so understandable that Butts wasn't getting a gig....and once again no SANFL on offer to push his selection chances.

Obviously you think the fact that no SANFL football was available for them to play didn't impact on all our youngsters chances of playing AFL in 2020.

This year's se

 

[hey shorty]

FFS AC, we just did that. new head coach, 1 1/2 yrs ago, new head of football 2 yrs ago, new line coach's this year.
You want a bloody magic wand to fix everything the instance the change is made, It Does not work that way!
Young players are improving (and Frampton is not a high pick Power drafted him with #84 and we traded a future 4thy round so hardly over rated).
Now we need time to develop not rash BS decisions.

AC is a dead set nuffie

 

[WheresGroomgone]

The young brigade.
Berry's confidence is growing every week, his footy awareness is improving nicely. Fast becoming a favourite player.
Pedlar looked natural when given his opportunity, looks really good.
Schoey another that looks good and improving all the time. Love seeing these three in the action.
Butts and Mchenry were also good.
I've never liked Rowe, didn't like his attitude in the first game and since then his skills and play in general have been garbage. The only time he kicks a goal is if he's actually in the goal square, still plays for frees, no defensive side at all, gets caught with the ball far too often, if he has a free or takes a rare mark he takes the whole quarter to kick it. it's actually a close contest out of who is the slowest to move the ball on him or Kelly.
No amount of pumping games into him will help, some just don't have what it takes.
Both good and ugly goes to Nicks' coaching. The way the team competes and doesn't give in is commendable. The refusal to drop/ replace/ move underperforming senior players is deplorable.

There was a moment when he had a free kick and Seeds was pleading for it as it was questionable if he could make the distance - Rowe dismissed him and kicked it 10 metres short - it occurred again but the second time he handed off to Seed. It appeared to be Rowe wanted the glory rather than play a team game, should be roasted for it in the game review.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Talent gap is plainly obvious

Can tank all you want, it won’t change until the ones selecting/coaching are swapped out.

We have limited players with AFL level ability. Rest are overachieving to be just a guy and/or shouldn’t be out there.

Winning a couple games against better opponents seems flukey at this point.

Losing games against other poor sides is a better litmus for where the organization truly is.

Can disagree with me all you want—but Nicks has to go

Young players should be improving as year goes on, not regressing.

We overvalue our high picks and it blinds us from reality (see, Fogarty, Frampton, et al…)

It brings me no joy saying any of this. But have great experience with a fanbase overvaluing coaches and players.

I sense a lot of that going on with this organization unfortunately

Not sure how you think Frampton was a high pick he was a steak knives back up back up at best, and if you can't see the positive moves Nicks has made bringing the playing group together and building a culture you may need to visit Specsavers.

 

[1970crow]

There was a moment when he had a free kick and Seeds was pleading for it as it was questionable if he could make the distance - Rowe dismissed him and kicked it 10 metres short - it occurred again but the second time he handed off to Seed. It appeared to be Rowe wanted the glory rather than play a team game, should be roasted for it in the game review.

I've been off, on, off, on and now off Rowe. Just seems so limited and is turning out as you'd expect an established gun SANFL forward pocket to transition to AFL level. Don't think he's a failure, just an ok plodder. So should carve out a 150 game career with us. Maybe another preseason and a new level of fitness will improve him further.

 

[PsychoG]

Nicks inherited a club that had just commited to a complete rebuild and in 18 months has overseen dramatic improvement from a host of young players.

You aren't going to go from basketcase to contender in such a short time. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how much raw talent a player has, it takes time and effort to develop it. Brisbane didn't become a contender overnight, it took YEARS of patience

 

[WeeBlake]

Stats over impact

It’s like a non-statistical role, but in reverse

 

[ABAB]

I look at it differently. Coaching staff is responsible for fitness and holding playing group accountable.

We aren’t rolling out all rookies out there. Even allowing that as an explanation for 1st year players, they are on the hook for the rest of the list in my book

Not really, there are reason why young and developing side have always fade late in the season.

 

[Jirkago75]

AFL is so bloody confusing, watching highlights form the GWS game and there were about 7 or more holding the balls given. Our game was non existent until they were straight in front of a goal. How can the umpires be so different in the same round. Garry Hocking needs to go as he has know idea and makes so many stupid decisions

 

[ABAB]

The big neon sign for me that we're not really focusing on rebuilding is our reluctance to play young midfielders in the midfield. Instead we religiously play 3 out of 4 older guys at almost every centre bounce unless the game is dead.

This shows we are focused on trying to win every week in the now so people keep their jobs etc (based on a misguided belief that experience = success, even though our experienced midfield is comfortably one of the worst around). We are not developing our next midfield that will pull us off the bottom. They get shafted off to all corners of the field.

We are 100% over valuing our midfield and as a result our midfield continues to be overlooked, when in fact it is the main area in need of rebuilding.

For us, rebuilding is more a happy coincidence that happens in an unplanned way when we plan to win every game on the back of an experienced but ramshackle midfield.

I wouldn't classify Laird as one of the older guys, he is in his prime at 27 and if M.Crouch was fit this season I doubt we will be pushing Seedsman in there (and given his form this year I can see why he is being played there) so the only older guy who would have been attending CBA this year would have been Sloane with Keays, Laird and M.Crouch. You can't go totally young there, I suspect we will see a more rotation between Berry/Schoenberg/Pedlar attend more CBA next year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

AFL is so bloody confusing, watching highlights form the GWS game and there were about 7 or more holding the balls given. Our game was non existent until they were straight in front of a goal. How can the umpires be so different in the same round. Garry Hocking needs to go as he has know idea and makes so many stupid decisions

Steve not Garry Hocking....

 

[RoweyThePainter]

Steve not Garry Hocking....

Thought it was Eddie ..

 

[Jirkago75]

Steve not Garry Hocking....

My bad
After watching half of the GWS game, I don’t think they win without the holding the ball decisions. This is a joke how 2 games in the same round can be umpired so differently.

 

[Moonwatcher]

My bad
After watching half of the GWS game, I don’t think they win without the holding the ball decisions. This is a joke how 2 games in the same round can be umpired so differently.

Always feels like Crows players are the slowest to adjust to interpretation of the week decisions.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Always feels like Crows players are the slowest to adjust to interpretation of the week decisions.

Not sure that’s fair. I watched a few games this weekend, and ours was the only one where you were basically given forever to drop the ball and it was called play on. Brisbane seemed to benefit a lot more than we did. Thought we applied great tackling pressure in the first half for no reward.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Not sure that’s fair. I watched a few games this weekend, and ours was the only one where you were basically given forever to drop the ball and it was called play on. Brisbane seemed to benefit a lot more than we did. Thought we applied great tackling pressure in the first half for no reward.

On this occasion it definitely disadvantaged the tackling side which was the Crows but in general we tend to be slow to adjust to game by game umpiring peculiarities.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

AC is a dead set nuffie

I don't see why this sort of response was necessary. You can just disagree with the post and state your reasons as others have.

 

[CrowBloke]

Rowe is worse than McAdam in my view in terms of what is being offered. He wants to be given the ball on the 'run' (he ain't quick) and kick it that way but offers little else. Entirely one dimensional player and is a cream-like operator you might get in purely for scoreboard impact who can be carried by everyone around him doing their job and his defensively. But we aren't at that stage and he isn't even good enough to be that cream player, it's just the role he is playing right now. fu** him off.

I don't know what to make of Rowe, who is so different in the AFL from his AFC site profile:
" Across 2019-2020, Rowe has kicked 82 goals in 34 games at SANFL level, sharing the Ken Farmer Medal this year as the State League’s leading goalkicker. He is a smart footballer and highly accurate in front of goal with a conversion rate of 81 per cent in 2020, whilst averaging 2.76 goals per game. Rowe also finished equal third in the SANFL for goal assists and led the League for averaging groundball gets inside forward 50, using his evasiveness and talent to create scoring opportunities. "
I've seen little evidence of any of that. Just makes me think the gap between SANFL and AFL is huge, and/or that Rowe thinks he has done enough, now that he's been drafted.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I don't know what to make of Rowe, who is so different in the AFL from his AFC site profile:
" Across 2019-2020, Rowe has kicked 82 goals in 34 games at SANFL level, sharing the Ken Farmer Medal this year as the State League’s leading goalkicker. He is a smart footballer and highly accurate in front of goal with a conversion rate of 81 per cent in 2020, whilst averaging 2.76 goals per game. Rowe also finished equal third in the SANFL for goal assists and led the League for averaging groundball gets inside forward 50, using his evasiveness and talent to create scoring opportunities. "
I've seen little evidence of any of that. Just makes me think the gap between SANFL and AFL is huge, and/or that Rowe thinks he has done enough, now that he's been drafted.

He's an absolute gun at SANFL level where is deficiencies aren't exposed. He just doesn't have the explosive speed or strength to make it as a small forward in modern AFL where players in that role are required to apply relentless defensive pressure. I think he has a pretty low ceiling and just don't see him as a long term player.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I’m just not understanding people on Rowe. He’s played 15 games of AFL. He is calm and clever in traffic. Sure he has many areas to work on but definitely worth persisting with.

 

[MRB37]

I don't know what to make of Rowe, who is so different in the AFL from his AFC site profile:
" Across 2019-2020, Rowe has kicked 82 goals in 34 games at SANFL level, sharing the Ken Farmer Medal this year as the State League’s leading goalkicker. He is a smart footballer and highly accurate in front of goal with a conversion rate of 81 per cent in 2020, whilst averaging 2.76 goals per game. Rowe also finished equal third in the SANFL for goal assists and led the League for averaging groundball gets inside forward 50, using his evasiveness and talent to create scoring opportunities. "
I've seen little evidence of any of that. Just makes me think the gap between SANFL and AFL is huge, and/or that Rowe thinks he has done enough, now that he's been drafted.

He's 2nd on our team for Ground Ball Gets Inside 50 and 3rd among our forwards for goal assists.

Across the AFL he's rating above average for disposals, tackles inside 50, ground ball gets and shots at goal. The only real issue he's having at the moment is conversion, kicking 14.10.

 

[CrowBloke]

Motlop showdown goal steparound is my favourite Mackay moment.

Pretty sure it was Atkins, who got savaged in BF afterwards:

On This Day: Matchwinner Motlop decides special Showdown, 2018

Steven Motlop becomes part of Port Adelaide folklore with a matchwinning goal against arch-rival Adelaide

www.afl.com.au

 

[Go the Guts]

Talent gap is plainly obvious

Can tank all you want, it won’t change until the ones selecting/coaching are swapped out.

We have limited players with AFL level ability. Rest are overachieving to be just a guy and/or shouldn’t be out there.

Winning a couple games against better opponents seems flukey at this point.

Losing games against other poor sides is a better litmus for where the organization truly is.

Can disagree with me all you want—but Nicks has to go

Young players should be improving as year goes on, not regressing.

We overvalue our high picks and it blinds us from reality (see, Fogarty, Frampton, et al…)

It brings me no joy saying any of this. But have great experience with a fanbase overvaluing coaches and players.

I sense a lot of that going on with this organization unfortunately

this is so wrong I don’t know where to start…