Review Good vs Melbourne

[Vigawla]

(If I remember correctly) Anyone remember the Crows VS Geelong game at Kardinia when Matthew Scarlet was not penalised for a deliberate OOB in the same pocket right of screen? Was at the death and similar to the game on the weekend, in a game we lost by four points.

My online sleuthing has indicted this might be round 12 2005 but I can’t find any videos or live updates.

 

[Vader]

(If I remember correctly) Anyone remember the Crows VS Geelong game at Kardinia when Matthew Scarlet was not penalised for a deliberate OOB in the same pocket right of screen? Was at the death and similar to the game on the weekend, in a game we lost by four points.

My online sleuthing has indicted this might be round 12 2005 but I can’t find any videos or live updates.

Deliberate OOB was umpired differently back then.

 

[Bazz_27]

I remember an umpire disallowing or allowing a goal on the siren at vic park against the pies that we lost by a kick?

 

[Vigawla]

Deliberate OOB was umpired differently back then.

I understand, but the difference in umpiring is not my concern. My query was if anyone remembered it.

 

[DJ75]

Just on thew umpires (and particularly boundary umpires), is it me or are they struggling to get the ball back in to play with sufficient depth? A LOT seem to be finishing well short.
Look at the goal Wines got from the throw in, it barely made it 15 m in. Grundy didn't get anywhere near it.

Now I definitely think the ruckmen (and ROB is one of the worst for this) stand far too far back, but it seems like there are a lot of shallow throw ins at the moment.

 

[marvin]

I remember an umpire disallowing or allowing a goal on the siren at vic park against the pies that we lost by a kick?

Round 6, 1997 - Thoroughly robbed in that one. Umpire didn't hear the siren at the end of Q1 allowing Osborne to kick a goal a long time after play should have stopped. Modra with 2 goals that weren't even close to missing that were given as points. And Pittman took a clear mark about 20 m out, straight in front, that wasn't paid.

 

[cleanhands]

Just on thew umpires (and particularly boundary umpires), is it me or are they struggling to get the ball back in to play with sufficient depth? A LOT seem to be finishing well short.
Look at the goal Wines got from the throw in, it barely made it 15 m in. Grundy didn't get anywhere near it.

Now I definitely think the ruckmen (and ROB is one of the worst for this) stand far too far back, but it seems like there are a lot of shallow throw ins at the moment.

Ruckman aren’t know for being the sharpest tool in the shed

 

[1970crow]

Sloane has struggled to recapture his form since the eye injury.

It's a good sign we can win when Sloane isn't amongst our best.

I'm sure he will get back to his pre-surgey form.

Was just as poor rounds 1 and 2. 3 votes in Suns game though, was absolutely awesome dragging us back into the game and then keeping us there. Has been below acceptable for 5 of 6 games though, has to improve over next couple of weeks.

 

[RoweyThePainter]

I remember an umpire disallowing or allowing a goal on the siren at vic park against the pies that we lost by a kick?

I remember a David Pitmman robbery vs Vic Park. We lost by a point and I cried my eyes out.

Thanks for reminding me. Back to the foetal position!!!

 

[flashcrow]

Praise. (not mayonnaise)

https://www.titusoreily.com/afl/the-monday-knee-jerk-reaction-afl-round-ten2021

 

[RoweyThePainter]

Praise. (not mayonnaise)

https://www.titusoreily.com/afl/the-monday-knee-jerk-reaction-afl-round-ten2021

"was a fantastic win for Adelaide, they deserved it. As for Melbourne, it’s obviously season over with their embarrassing 9-1 record."

 

[FTP]

Hey Crows fans,

At FTP we did a bit of an analysis into the Adelaide Melbourne game from the weekend. Would love to hear your thoughts!

If you want to read the full article - https://footytalkingpoints.com.au/2021/05/26/ftp-10/


The Crows-Demons game on Saturday was arguably the best game of the year. Both teams were moving the ball quickly and trading goals late. Ben Keays and Clayton Oliver went head to head (the latter putting on a magical performance) with the pressure around the ball finals-like (Adelaide 65 tackles to Melbourne’s 78 – both smashing their season averages). We also learnt quite a bit about both teams. Adelaide came in with a clear plan to beat the Demons and it worked. Adelaide targeted a strength in how the Demons like to defend in their back half (check out our blog last week detailing it) and turned it into a weakness.

Adelaide scored on 42.6% of their inside 50’s – the largest percentage of any team by far against Melbourne this year. A reason for this was their risk taking approach through the middle of the ground – they used the corridor at every opportunity possible. Against a team like Melbourne who are great at forcing turnovers in their back half and counter attacking, there was inherent risk involved. But they executed it more successfully than not. Using the corridor grants you the fastest access to goal. It allowed Adelaide quicker entries inside their forward 50 where either May/Lever couldn’t set up and help each other or where players were cross matched. Look at how Adelaide’s willingness to use the corridor allowed Walker a 1v1 match up with the undersized Rivers.




If that kick stayed in the air for a millisecond longer, Brayshaw cuts it off and Melbourne are likely going the other way for a scoring opportunity. But it works – Berry holds onto the mark. The quick overlap hands and run doesn’t give May (who is caught zoning off) enough time to get back to help out Rivers. The extra handball allows for further depth on the final kick – which ultimately means bypassing May.

Again, look at how Adelaide were able to transition from their literal goal line to a shot at goal by working the boundary before going straight through the corridor. It’s the handball receive into a McKay bullet through the middle that opens everything up. Melbourne were scrambling like this all day defensively (and really the first time this year). They weren’t able to put enough pressure on at the source of the ball which allowed the Crows time to find players inside. Because of the speed in which the ball transitioned – May, Lever and Petty were pushing back hard to zone off and defend the deep entry whilst Thilthorpe came back to the leg of the kicker for an easy mark.




This is a blueprint on how to get Melbourne out of how they want to play – fast and bold ball movement through the middle of the ground honouring hit up leads. Adelaide attacked and attacked all day and it set them up to win the game (albeit luckily with a few questionable umpiring decisions late).

It was clear going into this game that Adelaide emphasised both:

1. Forwards leading at the kicker at every opportunity; and
2. The kicker rewarding those leads at every opportunity to stop Melbourne from zoning off and impacting contests aerially

It’s an encouraging sign for a developing team that they can execute such a game plan and take a finalist contender out of their comfort zone.

 

[Maddogmetro]

Hey Crows fans,

At FTP we did a bit of an analysis into the Adelaide Melbourne game from the weekend. Would love to hear your thoughts!




The Crows-Demons game on Saturday was arguably the best game of the year. Both teams were moving the ball quickly and trading goals late. Ben Keays and Clayton Oliver went head to head (the latter putting on a magical performance) with the pressure around the ball finals-like (Adelaide 65 tackles to Melbourne’s 78 – both smashing their season averages). We also learnt quite a bit about both teams. Adelaide came in with a clear plan to beat the Demons and it worked. Adelaide targeted a strength in how the Demons like to defend in their back half (check out our blog last week detailing it) and turned it into a weakness.

Adelaide scored on 42.6% of their inside 50’s – the largest percentage of any team by far against Melbourne this year. A reason for this was their risk taking approach through the middle of the ground – they used the corridor at every opportunity possible. Against a team like Melbourne who are great at forcing turnovers in their back half and counter attacking, there was inherent risk involved. But they executed it more successfully than not. Using the corridor grants you the fastest access to goal. It allowed Adelaide quicker entries inside their forward 50 where either May/Lever couldn’t set up and help each other or where players were cross matched. Look at how Adelaide’s willingness to use the corridor allowed Walker a 1v1 match up with the undersized Rivers.




If that kick stayed in the air for a millisecond longer, Brayshaw cuts it off and Melbourne are likely going the other way for a scoring opportunity. But it works – Berry holds onto the mark. The quick overlap hands and run doesn’t give May (who is caught zoning off) enough time to get back to help out Rivers. The extra handball allows for further depth on the final kick – which ultimately means bypassing May.

Again, look at how Adelaide were able to transition from their literal goal line to a shot at goal by working the boundary before going straight through the corridor. It’s the handball receive into a McKay bullet through the middle that opens everything up. Melbourne were scrambling like this all day defensively (and really the first time this year). They weren’t able to put enough pressure on at the source of the ball which allowed the Crows time to find players inside. Because of the speed in which the ball transitioned – May, Lever and Petty were pushing back hard to zone off and defend the deep entry whilst Thilthorpe came back to the leg of the kicker for an easy mark.




This is a blueprint on how to get Melbourne out of how they want to play – fast and bold ball movement through the middle of the ground honouring hit up leads. Adelaide attacked and attacked all day and it set them up to win the game (albeit luckily with a few questionable umpiring decisions late).

It was clear going into this game that Adelaide emphasised both:

1. Forwards leading at the kicker at every opportunity; and
2. The kicker rewarding those leads at every opportunity to stop Melbourne from zoning off and impacting contests aerially

It’s an encouraging sign for a developing team that they can execute such a game plan and take a finalist contender out of their comfort zone.

My only gripe is the reference to 'questionable umpiring decisions' - pretty sure it was both ways throughout the match, and ultimately don't think they were that questionable.

Otherwise a really interesting write up that actually goes to structures and tactics (something we don't see often from main stream AFL shows).

Thanks for sharing!

 

[rocket18]

Hey Crows fans,

At FTP we did a bit of an analysis into the Adelaide Melbourne game from the weekend. Would love to hear your thoughts!




The Crows-Demons game on Saturday was arguably the best game of the year. Both teams were moving the ball quickly and trading goals late. Ben Keays and Clayton Oliver went head to head (the latter putting on a magical performance) with the pressure around the ball finals-like (Adelaide 65 tackles to Melbourne’s 78 – both smashing their season averages). We also learnt quite a bit about both teams. Adelaide came in with a clear plan to beat the Demons and it worked. Adelaide targeted a strength in how the Demons like to defend in their back half (check out our blog last week detailing it) and turned it into a weakness.

Adelaide scored on 42.6% of their inside 50’s – the largest percentage of any team by far against Melbourne this year. A reason for this was their risk taking approach through the middle of the ground – they used the corridor at every opportunity possible. Against a team like Melbourne who are great at forcing turnovers in their back half and counter attacking, there was inherent risk involved. But they executed it more successfully than not. Using the corridor grants you the fastest access to goal. It allowed Adelaide quicker entries inside their forward 50 where either May/Lever couldn’t set up and help each other or where players were cross matched. Look at how Adelaide’s willingness to use the corridor allowed Walker a 1v1 match up with the undersized Rivers.




If that kick stayed in the air for a millisecond longer, Brayshaw cuts it off and Melbourne are likely going the other way for a scoring opportunity. But it works – Berry holds onto the mark. The quick overlap hands and run doesn’t give May (who is caught zoning off) enough time to get back to help out Rivers. The extra handball allows for further depth on the final kick – which ultimately means bypassing May.

Again, look at how Adelaide were able to transition from their literal goal line to a shot at goal by working the boundary before going straight through the corridor. It’s the handball receive into a McKay bullet through the middle that opens everything up. Melbourne were scrambling like this all day defensively (and really the first time this year). They weren’t able to put enough pressure on at the source of the ball which allowed the Crows time to find players inside. Because of the speed in which the ball transitioned – May, Lever and Petty were pushing back hard to zone off and defend the deep entry whilst Thilthorpe came back to the leg of the kicker for an easy mark.




This is a blueprint on how to get Melbourne out of how they want to play – fast and bold ball movement through the middle of the ground honouring hit up leads. Adelaide attacked and attacked all day and it set them up to win the game (albeit luckily with a few questionable umpiring decisions late).

It was clear going into this game that Adelaide emphasised both:

1. Forwards leading at the kicker at every opportunity; and
2. The kicker rewarding those leads at every opportunity to stop Melbourne from zoning off and impacting contests aerially

It’s an encouraging sign for a developing team that they can execute such a game plan and take a finalist contender out of their comfort zone.

Thanks for that, love the second clip showing how RT summed up the situation so quickly (not bad for a 5 game player) with the 3 Melbourne guys heading into the f50 he led short to Fog (he and Tex are our best kicks into f50).

The "few questionable umpiring decisions late" still didn't make up for the many questionable decision early that went the Dees way.

 

[SugarShane]

Thanks for that, love the second clip showing how RT summed up the situation so quickly (not bad for a 5 game player) with the 3 Melbourne guys heading into the f50 he led short to Fog (he and Tex are our best kicks into f50).

Does expose how annoying the production of footy is though. We actually get a really nice view of the play unfolding through the middle, but then on the all important kick inside 50 they cut to a close up of Fog. Why not stay wide so we can see the movement unfolding inside 50?

 

[jackster83]

Does expose how annoying the production of footy is though. We actually get a really nice view of the play unfolding through the middle, but then on the all important kick inside 50 they cut to a close up of Fog. Why not stay wide so we can see the movement unfolding inside 50?

Anyone else bar up watching that ball movement?

 

[Maddogmetro]

Anyone else bar up watching that ball movement?

Be careful. Jenny doesn't like any reference of that nature tsk tsk.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Be careful. Jenny doesn't like any reference of that nature tsk tsk.

Yes expect a "wont somebody think of the children" post any minute now.

 

[1970crow]

Does expose how annoying the production of footy is though. We actually get a really nice view of the play unfolding through the middle, but then on the all important kick inside 50 they cut to a close up of Fog. Why not stay wide so we can see the movement unfolding inside 50?

The old Active or whatever it was back in the day on Austar was good. I liked the angle that pulled back from the ball a bit and opened up about 30m around it. Weird that we had these options over a decade ago and have gone backwards since then.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Yes expect a "wont somebody think of the children" post any minute now.

 

[SugarShane]

The old Active or whatever it was back in the day on Austar was good. I liked the angle that pulled back from the ball a bit and opened up about 30m around it. Weird that we had these options over a decade ago and have gone backwards since then.

Watching F1 on Kayo they have a RaceView thing with a few alternate angles. Best thing about them is the other angles have no commentary. I'd pay Kayo $50 a month to have footy without the commentary for Dwayne games.

 

[Dirty Bird]

You mean the children which dont post here?

List Mgmt. - "Gen" profile of the Adelaide Board | Page 9 | BigFooty

 

[displacedaussie]

Be careful. Jenny doesn't like any reference of that nature tsk tsk.

There are significantly more whiny posts (just like the one you did here) complaining about Jenny's posts than there are posts by Jenny asking people to avoid certain types of language.

 

[Burtonsgottago]

Convenient line of thinking for Neil, given our propensity for losing close games (especially finals) under his watch. We actually did everything right in those finals between 05-09. Just unlucky.

We did everything right under Craig... that’s why he never made an in-game tactical change

 

[Burtonsgottago]

proof yet again that you guys were gifted the game purely because the umpire didn't have the courage to make the correct call in front of a home crowd. corruption at its best.

Your win will go down as the game that was gifted unfortunately.

You lost to a team that was 3 and 6.