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  • SYDNEY'S two-time Brownlow Medallist Adam Goodes faces a week on the sidelines after being charged by the match review panel.
Goodes has been charged with a level one striking offence against Port Adelaide’s Matt Thomas. This charge doesn’t carry an automatic suspension, but due to Goodes’ carry-over points from the previous 12 months, he faces a one-week suspension if he takes an early plea.
He doesn’t risk any extra time on the sidelines if he takes it to the tribunal and is found guilty
 
im pretty confident he will get off
he will fight it at the tribunal cause the good thing is he doesnt risk a 2 match ban by fighting it
pretty sure theyll want him available for this weekends match against brisbane
plus i really dont think there was much in it
 
Considering how well the Swannies played w/o Goodes having a massive influence on the game.. 1 match isn't too bad.. having him back for the WCE game will be crucial though..

Just hope Swannies can keep up the effort as the game against PA as they have a habit of having an average game after a big game..

But let's not be so negative...

Go Bloods.. :)
 

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Annoying as the whistle had gone and the Port player was hanging on to Goodes who was trying to get the ball back as it was a free kick to the Swans so Goodes was trying to break free and the Port player slipped down hyence he got caught in the head. Goodes gave a surprised look when he looked back.........that is my memory of the incident anyway.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr

Another interesting suspension is Daniel Merrit who has done well on Barry Hall the last few years. He is quite quick for a big guy.

Intersting if these guys challenge or not.
 
Might do him good to take a week out and get his head sorted. That could be an opening for Nick Davis to get back in the team and do something big to redeem his year. At least the Swans have some depth this year with 6 or so of their senior players still out of the team.
 
CAS79 said:
Only saw it on the TV and nwever witnessed the hit. Goodes form was up on the St Kilda game and would be good to take on Brisbane. Go the tribunal.
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I was at the game and never saw anything. Nobody in my bay did either. Must have been discreet.

If he does get the time off, hopefully it can become a catalyst towards him regaining form as it was last year, to an extent.
 
I saw it live on TV then they showed a few replays. It was sort of at the right of the screen at a bounce if I remember correctly there was quite a lot of traffic but Goodes had his back to the player who had him wrapped up and seemed to be continuing on with the tackle thouigh play had stopped. It seemd like the Port Player was slipping down Goodes body in the way you apply weight to bring down the person you are tackling. Goodes twisted his body to free himself then started drawing back with a tucked up arm which had the guy not been moving downwards been an effective way of getting out of his grasp but as he went down Goodes backwards striking motion as seen him elbow him in the face. Alastair Lynch seemed to suggest there wasn't much in it as did Liam Pickering but the Port player lying flat out warranted the replays and the subsequent questioning and scrutiny.

What sticks in my mind from the replay was that Goodes seemed to take a second look when he turned around as if to say "Huh what happened there"

Any comparison to the incident last year against Melbourne would be ludicrous as that seemed somewhat intentional due to tagging frustration. This incident seemed accidental, he was deliberate in his action to remove the player hanging on but due to circumstance of the Port player sliding downwards he copped an accidental elbow to the face.

They will most likely challenge it because the penalty is no greater than 1 week anyway if they lose the appeal.

I thought to myself at the time they would look at the incident and then clear him but sadly not.

Good luck Goodesy you are not guilty on this one and should be free to play
 

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Banyo Bloods said:
I saw it live on TV then they showed a few replays. It was sort of at the right of the screen at a bounce if I remember correctly there was quite a lot of traffic but Goodes had his back to the player who had him wrapped up and seemed to be continuing on with the tackle thouigh play had stopped. It seemd like the Port Player was slipping down Goodes body in the way you apply weight to bring down the person you are tackling. Goodes twisted his body to free himself then started drawing back with a tucked up arm which had the guy not been moving downwards been an effective way of getting out of his grasp but as he went down Goodes backwards striking motion as seen him elbow him in the face. Alastair Lynch seemed to suggest there wasn't much in it as did Liam Pickering but the Port player lying flat out warranted the replays and the subsequent questioning and scrutiny.

What sticks in my mind from the replay was that Goodes seemed to take a second look when he turned around as if to say "Huh what happened there"

Any comparison to the incident last year against Melbourne would be ludicrous as that seemed somewhat intentional due to tagging frustration. This incident seemed accidental, he was deliberate in his action to remove the player hanging on but due to circumstance of the Port player sliding downwards he copped an accidental elbow to the face.

They will most likely challenge it because the penalty is no greater than 1 week anyway if they lose the appeal.

I thought to myself at the time they would look at the incident and then clear him but sadly not.

Good luck Goodesy you are not guilty on this one and should be free to play
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Thanks Banyo, Welcome by the way, We swanny’s need all the intelligent help we can get on bigfooty.
 
CAS79 said:
Thanks Banyo, Welcome by the way, We swanny’s need all the intelligent help we can get on bigfooty.
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Thanks for the welcome! Unfortunately intelligent help isn't my strong suit:)

I just reviewed the footage thanks to bigpond footage of the match.

My memory had it slightly wrong The incident took place after a free kick to Port in the centre.

Kieran Jack kicked his first goal in the AFL then we went back to the centre for the ball up. A free kick was called as Goodes had raced around the back of the pack with Matt Thomas in hot pursuit the ball was in the air as the whistle went and Goodes jumped up taking the ball out of another Swans players hands Matt Thomas contiinued to tackle Goodes and did seem to be quite low exposing his head to Goodes who seemed to have the ball clutched in both hands then swung to remove the tackler which would of caused the impact.

The angle that the live broadcast showed and the two replays that follow Ports second goal are the wide shot and don't seem to conclusively show any contact other than the result of Matt Thomas lying face down. There is only the slightest of remonstration from the Port players and I do mean slight like one guy bumping his shoulder (maybe).

Before the second goal by Port they started to show a closer replay but the footage cut before the incident to another highlight.

If that footage was available in full then perhaps that shows something that is not seen in the only footage they have shown during the match and in replays.

If the only footage they have is what was shown on the TV angle shown then they are guessing as to the exact cause of Matt Thomas hitting the deck.

During the actual live incident Lynch quipped that Goodes has given his opponent a backhander but during the replays both Lynch and Liam Pickering agreed there didn't seem to much in it.
 
I dunno, its a bit dicey. The descriptions above are fairly accurate, but he did throw an elbow back. No hint that he meant to do anything other than free himself from a tackle after the whistle and the Port player had slipped down, but he still threw his elbow back smacking him in the head. Its a low grade charge that would normally be a reprimand, but Goodes is on probation from the incident last year (which was much worse). I'm sure they will contest it but it could go either way.
 
Skystyler said:
I dunno, its a bit dicey. The descriptions above are fairly accurate, but he did throw an elbow back. No hint that he meant to do anything other than free himself from a tackle after the whistle and the Port player had slipped down, but he still threw his elbow back smacking him in the head. Its a low grade charge that would normally be a reprimand, but Goodes is on probation from the incident last year (which was much worse). I'm sure they will contest it but it could go either way.
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As far as im concerned, they have to contest it. For us to beat West Coast in round 4 (and even more so Geeling on round 5) we need every single player at full flight, especially Goodsey... and I cannot see him finding form on the bench.

He usually gets a bit of confidence up after playing Port, and even though he didnt do anything spectactular on the weekend, he still grabbed the pill 19 times and got a goal. That should be enough for the big guy to find some confidence and hopefully start to back himself into contests. Which will go a long way for his form. If they can back that game up with another against Brisbane, then I beleive Goodes and the Swannies will be ready to take on anyone, and have a sure chance of victory.

Just another note on the Goodes saga... and another reason why I beleive they need to fight the charge strongly is this:

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/News/NewsArticle/tabid/7106/Default.aspx?newsId=57135

"Despite the fact he'll remain in Brownlow contention regardless of his decision, Goodes has another reason why he could choose to fight his charge at the tribunal and play in the Swans' Rivalry Round clash with the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba.

This weekend, he is due to play his 194th consecutive game, which would equal the fourth-best streak in the history of the game and also equal his club's all-time record.

Teammate Jared Crouch had a streak of 194 consecutive games between 1998 and 2006.

Crouch is fourth on the all-time consecutive games list behind Jim Stynes (244 games for Melbourne between 1987-98), Adem Yze (226 games for Melbourne between 1997-2007) and Jack Titus (202 games for Richmond between 1933-43)."

As far as I'm concerned, that is reason enough... along with the fact that they have nothing to lose. He charge will not be increased or decreased either way.... Go for it.
 

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The club has just announced that they will contest it.

From the AFL site:

Goodes' incident was assessed as negligent contact (one point), low impact (one point) and high contact (two points), a total of four activation points, resulting in a classification of a level one offence.

So I guess they will contest the high contact being caused by the Port player slipping down, as Goodes threw his elbow at waist height. Will that fly?
 
Looking at the footage a few times, it's clear to me that he really only shrugged off the tackler in a way you see dozens of times a week. The whistle had blown a few steps earlier, it was a Swans ball and Goodes wanted to get things moving. He didn't even look back as he tried to break the tackle. And seemed a bit surprised when Matt hit the deck.

The MRP clearly thought it was pretty innocuous too, as it wasn't even worthy of a week in their eyes. Quite rightly.

Matt Thomas was unlucky in that he was sliding down Goodes when the elbow came back and it hit his head rather than the arms. But then he really only has himself to blame. He looked like he was trying to bring Adam down, but didn't have the muscle. And if he held him any longer in that tackle New Idea would be after their wedding photos.

I'd say Goodes has a 50/50 chance of getting out of this one. But who knows these days?
 
Skystyler said:
The club has just announced that they will contest it.

From the AFL site:

Goodes' incident was assessed as negligent contact (one point), low impact (one point) and high contact (two points), a total of four activation points, resulting in a classification of a level one offence.

So I guess they will contest the high contact being caused by the Port player slipping down, as Goodes threw his elbow at waist height. Will that fly?
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Yeah.. I reckon they will get him off. The incident was 'on-the-ball' so generally the tribunal give a bit of slack there (compared to 'off-the-ball' incidents).

They give free's AGAINST players who drop there heads going into tackles so players don't try to get taken high.. so I think Sydney can use that towards their cause. Goodes did not intentionally make high contact with the Port player. His eyes and focus were soley on breaking free of the tackle. It was just unfortunate that the Port player slipped down Goodes body as he was doing so, and copped an elbow in the head.

I reckon he will get off... the tribunal will decide that the contact was not reckless, intentional or negligent. He will probably even get away without even a reprimand. The incident probably shouldnt have even made it this far...
 
Mav_87 said:
I reckon he will get off... the tribunal will decide that the contact was not reckless, intentional or negligent. He will probably even get away without even a reprimand. The incident probably shouldnt have even made it this far...
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It's already been classified as negligent. So reckless or intentional are out of the equation. They'll be trying to argue it was completely accidental. I guess if they can find lots of footage of players shrugging tackles in that situation who do exactly the same as Goodes did, but make just a jabbing contact with the midriff of their opponent, they have some chance.

And a "reprimand" is also out of the equation, except that effectively that's what they are trying to give him this time with the grading of the charge. If he misses a match it will really be the suspended match he was given nearly a year ago. He has to either get a week now or be exonerated.

I'd give it a 50/50 chance of winning.

My suspicion is that if it hadn't been for the incident last year, he wouldn't even have been cited for this one. That's not how things should work but the media outcry last year from those who are clueless about the system of penalties at the tribunal may have driven the MRC to want to show they are not going light on him.
 

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