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I don't expect this to ever actually be read by RL & Co, nor acted upon. Heck, what do I know? I've only been following the club for 10x the time you've been working there...



This isn't to have a go at you. How can I? You have the team 16-0 and playing superb.



But, we as fans, as members, at least deserve to be told some ******* reason why one of our favourite players, Matt Maguire can't manage to get a run in 2009.



It can't be his commitment. He has busted his nuts to come back from a hurrendous injury.



It can't his effort. He plays with a passion and ferocity like no other.



It can't be his loyalty, the man is St Kilda through and through.



It can't be his courage.



It can't be his ability.



So, all I'm asking is WHY? Why can't a guy like Goose get a run? Even is his form isn't exactly what you want, or his pace is a bit down. Surely, someone who has been through what he has, deserves a go. You know he won't give any less than 100%. Sure, you don't give 'pity' games, but let's be serious, you have given Clarke and Gwilt many chances (with goo results), it's time to give Goose a go.


Because, by this me next year, he could be Carlton's very own Zac Dawson.


KPP's don't grow on trees
 
sirviv said:
Get over it players are picked on performance not reputation. For christ sake we are 16-0. I'm sure the entire selection committee know what they are doing.
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he's a better choice than gwilt simple. no matter what gwilts form is/has been in the vfl it doesnt cut it at afl level. yes he has played well this year but hes patchy. if you want a bloke who kicks well, harasses, chases and tackles you cant look any further than goose. put him up forward he will give us an option put him down back he can take care of minson
 
AFaiL said:
I don't expect this to ever actually be read by RL & Co, nor acted upon. Heck, what do I know? I've only been following the club for 10x the time you've been working there...



This isn't to have a go at you. How can I? You have the team 16-0 and playing superb.



But, we as fans, as members, at least deserve to be told some ******* reason why one of our favourite players, Matt Maguire can't manage to get a run in 2009.

It can't be his commitment. He has busted his nuts to come back from a hurrendous injury.



It can't his effort. He plays with a passion and ferocity like no other.



It can't be his loyalty, the man is St Kilda through and through.



It can't be his courage.



It can't be his ability.



So, all I'm asking is WHY? Why can't a guy like Goose get a run? Even is his form isn't exactly what you want, or his pace is a bit down. Surely, someone who has been through what he has, deserves a go. You know he won't give any less than 100%. Sure, you don't give 'pity' games, but let's be serious, you have given Clarke and Gwilt many chances (with goo results), it's time to give Goose a go.


Because, by this me next year, he could be Carlton's very own Zac Dawson.


KPP's don't grow on trees
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Get a grip. Yeah lets give games to players who the coaching staff don't believe are in the best 22 to win in a particular round of football. We have the thrill and excitement of following a football club who are extremley competitive week in week out. Players have to earn their position in the team which in the last 20 years of following the club has rarely been the case. Goose will get his chance hopefully through consistant performance with Sandringham if Ross and the other selection committee feel it is warranted. We have a golden oppourtunity to create history this seaso. History in which many supporters have never had the chance to witness. It not the time to give players games willy nilly because it's a feel good story. All the best to Goose and may the the best 22 St.Kilda Footballers represent our club on a weekly basis.​
 

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oneandone said:
i have a feeling that max will be a late withdrawl and goose will come in for him. no inside sources or knowledge just a feeling.
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I like your thinking oneandone!!
 
I think the general consensus is we believe Maguire to be in our best 22, and I for one would like to see him have a run if for no other reason than I haven't seen him play for ages and I can't get access to VFL coverage

On the other hand, can't say that the coaching staff or match committee have done much wrong this season, to date

Fire up Goose, show how good you are and demand to be picked!
 
Folks....

Since Maguire unfortunately broke his leg, he has been nowhere near the great player he once was. His AFL appearances since them have been quite poor to say the least. Not his fault at all, just does not have the physical capabilities like he did pre broken leg.

What makes people think Maguire is in St.kilda's best 22? Because of his reputation pre injury? Needs to judge players on current form. Do not be hard on the selectors. To be honest I would not mind Maguire getting picked for a couple of games at senior level to show what he can do, but time is running out.

It could very well be that Maguire's best is well behind him and he will retire soon. Hope im wrong, but thats what i have firmly believed in the past couple of years looking at him at senior level. Once again, I hope im wrong. I really do.

Another note - playing good games in the VFL does not mean AFL greatness. Even your Raph Clarkes, Charlie Gardiner's, Micheal Rix and Leigh Fisher types can dominate VFL, but do not cut it at AFL level.
 
True setiments, however I think a lot of supporters crave the chance to see Maguire back for a number of reasons:
1. Last time he came back he was injured almost immediately, not allowing him appropriate time to gain AFL level fitness
2. He was not used to the no hands in the back rule, at which he failed miserably. Many doubt this will happen again now that he has had time to adjust to thie in the VFL.
3. He is the obvious foil to Maxy once he retires and we are scared if he does not play he will move to another club.
4. He bleeds red, white and black so at least let him get his 100 games next week against cr@p opposition while Dawson is out. Please!

I, like another poster or two, suspect (read hope) he may be a late inclusion if Max does not get up. Max does not need to chase dogs around a park just yet!
 
I think Goose will play his 100th and final game for St. Kilda in Round 22. Even if we wanted to keep him as a replacement for Hudgeton, he'd be the first backup defender rather than a starter. Gilbo has taken his spot across half back. Dawson is ahead of him. Blake is only 28, so maybe has a year or two left.

For those mentioning that Gilbo went forward in the pre-season, it should be remembered that he wasn't very effective (hence his return to the backline). I love Gilbo, but he's not a forward.

If the choice is play him or lose him, then we shouldn't get too hell bent on keeping him. He's not even in our best side. He's not the player he was, and we have to consider that he may be worth more as trade bait with a few other club having a good look at him. Our first 22 is pretty good, and I don't see Maguire forcing his way in, so why not trade and draft well to complement what I think was a good bunch of kids picked up last year. He's been good for us and we've been good to him (carried him for several years) so let's get him to 100 and give him a sendoff, and help him find a home where he can play AFL footy like Geelong did for King.
 
I respectfully hope you are wrong about that as we would be crazy to trade a KPB that has not had a decent second crack.

If we were to then definately give him his 100 but I doubt this is Llyon's style, especially as the dees game is at the G and the perfect opportunity to test the zone on this ground. There will be no second string teAm against the demons.
 
sauce_head said:
1. Last time he came back he was injured almost immediately, not allowing him appropriate time to gain AFL level fitness
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... I think that if he publishes a book after his career is over we will find that there's been more problems in this case than it presents and that him having really most of the year off is going to allow him to play next year.
I reckon the injury has been so severe it probably hasn't really healed.

I mean, look at browny from the tiges. he's never been CLOSE to the player he was before he broke his leg and i really think he has the same underlying issues re: muscle/bone/mental fear that I reckon goose has.
 
krusden said:
... I think that if he publishes a book after his career is over we will find that there's been more problems in this case than it presents and that him having really most of the year off is going to allow him to play next year.
I reckon the injury has been so severe it probably hasn't really healed.

I mean, look at browny from the tiges. he's never been CLOSE to the player he was before he broke his leg and i really think he has the same underlying issues re: muscle/bone/mental fear that I reckon goose has.
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Spot on krus.

I think most of the posters are letting sentiment get in the way here. I'd love to have Goose in, but let's remember some weeks ago when Gwilt got dropped, that we were all in agreeance that Milney had to come back in, but we thought no one deserved to be dropped.

Against the Dogs I feel that Maguire's lack of mobility once the ball hits the deck would be a major problem. He's not going to be able to brush off tackles like his does in the VFL.

He needs to do everything to smash down the door for selection, at the moment he hasn't quite done this.
 

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sauce_head said:
I respectfully hope you are wrong about that as we would be crazy to trade a KPB that has not had a decent second crack.

If we were to then definately give him his 100 but I doubt this is Llyon's style, especially as the dees game is at the G and the perfect opportunity to test the zone on this ground. There will be no second string teAm against the demons.
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That's pretty much my view. I can't comment on Goose's form in the VFL as I haven't seen him play but I still think we'd be mad to delist or trade him. He was a fantastic player before his broken leg and he is still only around 25 so he has plenty of footy left in him. On top of that he is a loyal clubman and a popular bloke around the club.

At the very least, he deserves to get to his 100th game and be given a chance to show what he can do at AFL level again. I'd be massively disappointed if he was traded or delisted without getting to 100 games or being given another opportunity in the senior side.
 
At the start of the season he saw a nerve specialist did he not and has had several fractures in the foot as opposed to the leg due to the type of injury and even then at the start his running was slow and boggy. He's since gotten into his strides more and gotten more confidence in the leg but it's always in the back of yoru mind just like knee recos and how far you can push the knee, only this is the entire leg you're talking about, a lot of joints, a lot of muscles a lot of nerves that can go wrong in an instant.

The last thing you'd want for Goose is for him to go in semi underdone while we're playing such a hard body brand of footy and increase the chance that he does more damage to the leg with the step up from VFL to AFL. He'll play, Ross has stated as much, he's required, Ross has stated as much, I for one trust how they're running the club currently in regards to injuries and list management.
 
Frankencow said:
I think Goose will play his 100th and final game for St. Kilda in Round 22.
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I'd hope not. Hopefully next week against Sydney Goose gets the gig as it would definitely be more suited to a first game back - rather than a fast zippy dogs test.
 
StFly said:
At the start of the season he saw a nerve specialist did he not and has had several fractures in the foot as opposed to the leg due to the type of injury and even then at the start his running was slow and boggy. He's since gotten into his strides more and gotten more confidence in the leg but it's always in the back of yoru mind just like knee recos and how far you can push the knee, only this is the entire leg you're talking about, a lot of joints, a lot of muscles a lot of nerves that can go wrong in an instant.

The last thing you'd want for Goose is for him to go in semi underdone while we're playing such a hard body brand of footy and increase the chance that he does more damage to the leg with the step up from VFL to AFL. He'll play, Ross has stated as much, he's required, Ross has stated as much, I for one trust how they're running the club currently in regards to injuries and list management.
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I think I read that the healing process of a major bone break can weaken the bones close to the original bone. Basically the body draws material from them for the repair. They regain their strength but only with time.


My memory of Maguire is different to the stats, because our team was very different then.

The stats tell me that at his best he was nearly as good as Jason Blake is right now ( although he was a lot better than Blake was at the time).

Sam Fisher was already becoming a better player than Maguire before he was injured.

He took less Marks than Zac Dawson, barely more than Max. but probably didn't restrict the opponent as much as these two.

He certainly didn't run and carry like Gilbert, or even Raph.

My memory tells me he was great, but If I try to look at it subjectively I end up with someone a cross between Jason Blake and Raph Clarke.
 
bubblegoose said:
I'd hope not. Hopefully next week against Sydney Goose gets the gig as it would definitely be more suited to a first game back - rather than a fast zippy dogs test.
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Yeah! Then I can cheer him from the stands!

Cheering Goose from the stands this weekend would just look weird
 
Chris we dont know if Gooses best footy is behind him or in front of him. We also dont know if he's in our best 22, he hasnt been given a proper go yet. You cant judge him on the couple of games he played before he got reinjured. He's still young enough to make a full recovery to his best or better form. I just think about Gardiner and his return to form after 2 years off and he's 30 years old. Goose will get back to his best form and probably remain injury free for the rest of his career. Maybe with saints, maybe not, but fact is we dont urgently need him in the side atm.
I obviously would love to see him play with us again too but he's not crucial to the side.

ChrisFooty said:
Folks....

Since Maguire unfortunately broke his leg, he has been nowhere near the great player he once was. His AFL appearances since them have been quite poor to say the least. Not his fault at all, just does not have the physical capabilities like he did pre broken leg.

What makes people think Maguire is in St.kilda's best 22? Because of his reputation pre injury? Needs to judge players on current form. Do not be hard on the selectors. To be honest I would not mind Maguire getting picked for a couple of games at senior level to show what he can do, but time is running out.

It could very well be that Maguire's best is well behind him and he will retire soon. Hope im wrong, but thats what i have firmly believed in the past couple of years looking at him at senior level. Once again, I hope im wrong. I really do.

Another note - playing good games in the VFL does not mean AFL greatness. Even your Raph Clarkes, Charlie Gardiner's, Micheal Rix and Leigh Fisher types can dominate VFL, but do not cut it at AFL level.
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Would St.kilda even get anything decent for Maguire as trade bait? He is 25 and very injury prone, recovering from a very serious leg injury. What clubs would want him and what would they offer? They would not offer very much in terms of draft picks and/or players.
 
I don't want to be cynical, but could it be possible that Maguire (and also Ball) with (I assume) better contracts from their better years are being prepared for discussions about substantial paycuts this year in order not to be traded for (cheaper) draft picks (the new Riewoldt, S Fisher and Gilbert contracts will probably not have been cheap and I expect a number of the required youngsters to ask for new contracts soon, in particular guys like Dawson, Jones or McQualter).
 
The good thing about Jones, McQualter and Dawson is that they have had dubious pasts and they are probably glad just to be playing AFL footy at the moment. The time may come when it goes to their head though.
The likes of Ball and DalSanto probably saw themselves in a more shining light from the word go.
 
ChrisFooty said:
Would St.kilda even get anything decent for Maguire as trade bait? He is 25 and very injury prone, recovering from a very serious leg injury. What clubs would want him and what would they offer? They would not offer very much in terms of draft picks and/or players.
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We don't want to trade him.

Just have a look on other clubs boards - they are salivating at the prospect of gaining a player of Maguire's ilk.

Geelong Board

Hawthorn

Carlton

Melbourne

Richmond

Geelong again

North Melbourne
 
Kildonan said:
We don't want to trade him.

Just have a look on other clubs boards - they are salivating at the prospect of gaining a player of Maguire's ilk.

Geelong Board

Hawthorn

Carlton

Melbourne

Richmond

Geelong again

North Melbourne
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You realise tht half of those are from 2007 and havent had a single post since...

ill be very angry if we lose him due to lack of chances

unless we win the flag, then i gues maybe it would have been worth it cos leaving him out didnt have any detriment to the team
 

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