got to play lloyd at chf until scotty comes back

[rioli brownlow]

after going to sydney to watch the game yesterday 2 things really sticks out. lloydy needs to play at chf (until scotty comes back)as we are getting no use from him at the moment with him being stuck in the goal square.
jay neagle should play out of the square as he doesn't have the fitness levels at the moment to play chf. where as lloydy should be able to run around for longer periods of time there.
also and i know i am going to cop some flack over this but. at the moment and with the current situation our little man in defence problems are we need spike to go back to the back pocket until we can groom someone(maybe a houli or reimers)to mind the mid-size forward and also to have someone there with good disposal coming out of defence.
rama is no back pocket ,i think he would be better valve for us as a wingman where his kicking skills could deliver pin point passes to lloyd and neagle.

bring in tayte pears and let him learn off fletch and mal and be used as our 3rd tall defender which would allow paddy to play as our 2nd ruckman so we can get rid of lazycock(thankgod you weren't on qf 467 back to melbourne last nite ) otherwise after spending 1.5hrs in the qantas lounge you would of copped a huge spray after the insipid efforts you put in yesterday 6ft 7in and run around like a pansy boy.

give hislop,lonergan,monfries and jetta alot of time on the ball .with watson and bring in johnson mainly for the experience side of things.

 

[monty1104]

I disagree. I dont think Lloyd is up to playing a full game at CHF. His kicking is questionable from outside 50 due to him hammy, and I just dont think he is fit enough to be roaming around 50. At his best, he can kick 100 goals in a year from FF, so why deprive him of that?

 

[Bombs Away]

I disagree. I dont think Lloyd is up to playing a full game at CHF. His kicking is questionable from outside 50 due to him hammy, and I just dont think he is fit enough to be roaming around 50. At his best, he can kick 100 goals in a year from FF, so why deprive him of that?

I dont think you have seen the other side to this argument. Lloyd wont be deprived of kicking 100 goals as at the moment the ball is not getting past Half Forward often, by bringing lloyd out hopefully we will get more balls deep in our forward line, neagle can finish it off until we get Lucas and Gumby back, I agree that he is not up to playing a full game at CHF but can rotate through with daniher, mcphee and ors for the next couple of weeks

 

[Johnnyprinias]

I dont think you have seen the other side to this argument. Lloyd wont be deprived of kicking 100 goals as at the moment the ball is not getting past Half Forward often, by bringing lloyd out hopefully we will get more balls deep in our forward line, neagle can finish it off until we get Lucas and Gumby back, I agree that he is not up to playing a full game at CHF but can rotate through with daniher, mcphee and ors for the next couple of weeks

Lloyd? 100 goals?. Come on boys we love Lloyd but thats impossible now. Unfortunately the man is on the decline. Dont know if its the captaincy or injuries.

 

[#10 Tough As Nails]

If we could kick the ball to him this would be a different story

Leave him at FF with Lucas to return in a couple of weeks anyway

Also I think Lloyd could kick a bag against Richmond

 

[Merv]

For those that think that Lucas is going to come back in and pick up where he left off last year, you are in for a shock.

He is going to take a number of weeks at least to get anywhere near his best form.

Of course just having him compete will help our structure and take a good player to mind him but it isn't just all going to fall into place.

He may also have a run in Bendigo first.

 

[rioli brownlow]

If we could kick the ball to him this would be a different story

Leave him at FF with Lucas to return in a couple of weeks anyway

Also I think Lloyd could kick a bag against Richmond

exactly my point.
we can't get it down there at the moment so we are wasting him in the goalsquare. jay neagle did come to us as a full forward so lets give him a crack at it for a few weeks, also he won't need to use as much engery playing out of the square.
and when lucas does come back, yeah put lloydy back on the last forward line with neagle

 

[bomberstomake8]

Lloyd is our full forward leave him there..
mcphee and NLM will be back next week that will take a bit of pressure off lloyd
and in another 2-3 weeks lucas will be back roaming around the 50m arc which will make a heap of space for lloyd..

no full forward could have done much better then lloyd yesterday, supply was terrible and he was against 3 players every time the ball went to him

FF: neagle, lloyd, jetta
HFF: mcphee, lucas, lonergan (preferably davey but lonergan will have to do)

im not sure what will happen when gumby is fit, i cant see mcphee, lucas, lloyd neagle and gumby in the same forward line working but i guess we will see.


one thing i havent really liked about knights so far is he keeps mixing it up.. he changes match ups even when they are working.. i think a bit of stability is needed, play the players in the same role for a few weeks..
i hope he doesnt change another 5 players this week... he should bring in mcphee for daniher, and watson for monfries..
NLM and pears wait another week, we dont need more tall defenders against the tigers

 

[The Donners]

This is going to be controversial, drop Lloyd. Leave Neagle one-out in the square... kick it long into the forward line instead of piss-farting around with the ball. It's trying something different, it's not working as is!

Lloyd hasn't been great by any stretch and yeah he's got some excuses about delivery etc. but the game has changed in a way where it takes a special player to be able to lack versatility in today's game i.e. Fevola, Scarlett. I'm sorry but Lloyd isn't a special player, may have been, but isn't now. McVeigh for captain I think he'd be a far better leader and I also think he'd be more firm with his players... got too many soft leaders at the club. Tough love is what is required!

 

[thegreenmachine]

Lloyd is a one position player. Simple as that.
I feel that he can still dominate and be a matchwinner at full-forward, he should be left there. CHF is a bit of a problem for you guys at the moment, what about Patty Ryder playing at CHF? And when Lucas comes back, do you reckon he'll play a couple of matches at CHB? He's hardly going to just come back like someone said and dominate, he's more than capable of playing CHB as he showed a few years ago. So again, do you think he might just play a few matches in that position to start off with?

 

[The Donners]

Lloyd is a one position player. Simple as that.
I feel that he can still dominate and be a matchwinner at full-forward, he should be left there. CHF is a bit of a problem for you guys at the moment, what about Patty Ryder playing at CHF? And when Lucas comes back, do you reckon he'll play a couple of matches at CHB? He's hardly going to just come back like someone said and dominate, he's more than capable of playing CHB as he showed a few years ago. So again, do you think he might just play a few matches in that position to start off with?

Personally I don't think so. We break down across the half-forward line and Mcphee looks like a fish out of water... I don't think Knights knows where to put Ryder.

 

[essendon2008]

Drop Laycock and alternate Paddy between ruck and CHF. He would be a good CHF until Lucas returns as he is a great mark and pretty good set shot.

 

[Sigmund]

This is going to be controversial, drop Lloyd. Leave Neagle one-out in the square... kick it long into the forward line instead of piss-farting around with the ball. It's trying something different, it's not working as is!

Lloyd hasn't been great by any stretch and yeah he's got some excuses about delivery etc. but the game has changed in a way where it takes a special player to be able to lack versatility in today's game i.e. Fevola, Scarlett. I'm sorry but Lloyd isn't a special player, may have been, but isn't now. McVeigh for captain I think he'd be a far better leader and I also think he'd be more firm with his players... got too many soft leaders at the club. Tough love is what is required!

Never going to happen... He is a champion and would be totally against the club's ethos if this were to happen. There would be at least 12 in front of him who should be dropped on this years form

Out of interest, who was the last captain to be dropped?

 

[BomberAce7]

Never going to happen... He is a champion and would be totally against the club's ethos if this were to happen. There would be at least 12 in front of him who should be dropped on this years form

Out of interest, who was the last captain to be dropped?

Peter Mann? Correct me if im wrong.

 

[essendon2008]

Peter Mann? Correct me if im wrong.

Was Whitnall dropped at all last year? He was captain and had a shocking year but can't recall if he actually got dropped at all.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Nope. He's not confident, fast or penetrating enough to play there. I don'r know what the asnwer is, but I do know it isn't Lloyd.

Ryder's not a bad suggestion.

Pears also played well there for Bendigo.

 

[retroparty]

Just leave him at FF until Scotty comes back. Try some different players at CHF. As you can see the players want to kick it to Lloydy but we can't because our forward line lacks structure without Lucas and Davey.

The presence of Scott Lucas makes a lot of difference to our forward line. He may not have an impact in the goals for the first couple of weeks but Lloydy will kick a lot more with him in the team.

Donners you are a muppet. Matthew Lloyd is our only hope ATM. Neagle has played 3 games. He's a kid.

 

[efcboy]

in regards to ryder i'm concerned about them playing him here, there, everywhere. the guy has looked good in defence and he is now being unsettled as he doesn't know where he'll end up. i'd prefer to keep some solidarity and stick with him in defence for the time being - he probably is a better ruck than laycock but we are robbing pete to pay paul with this approach as there is no decent option to replace him in the backline.

i suspect knights patience with laycock is wearing thin as he had minimal game time on sunday.

as for lloyd - keep him in the goal square (he did kick 5 previous game). mcphee back this week and lucas close why change it now?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Tie a 40mt bungee cord to Lloyd and KEEP HIM IN THE SQUARE.

Anyone suggesting he should move up the ground has clearly never seen him play. He is next to useless up the ground. And when we finally clear it and get it up forward, HE'S BUSY RUNNING AROUND ON THE HALF BACK FLANK WHEN HE SHOULD BE OFFERING A LEAD.

This is an issue that angers me greatly.

 

[Tippaz]

i don't ever want to see Lloyd at CHF

he belongs at FF only.
the days of 100+ goals are over, but he's still trustworthy of reaching 60+ nowadays.
he's a GOOD full-forward. not a GREAT full-forward. a GOOD full-forward.

 

[Fraz]

he's a GOOD full-forward. not a GREAT full-forward. a GOOD full-forward.

Before this week he was averaging 3 goals a game and had better stats than the likes of J. Brown and Bradshaw despite the interrupted pre-season, calf injury and D- grade delivery. If that's not great then I don't know what is.

(Note: I'm not saying that he's at his peak or anything, I just think he's been highly underrated so far this year.)

As to the original topic, I disagree. He does his best work at FF and while if it's not coming down to him he should venture up the ground occasionally and try to help out, he is much more valuable playing out of the goal square.

 

[The Donners]

Before this week he was averaging 3 goals a game and had better stats than the likes of J. Brown and Bradshaw despite the interrupted pre-season, calf injury and D- grade delivery. If that's not great then I don't know what is.

(Note: I'm not saying that he's at his peak or anything, I just think he's been highly underrated so far this year.)

As to the original topic, I disagree. He does his best work at FF and while if it's not coming down to him he should venture up the ground occasionally and try to help out, he is much more valuable playing out of the goal square.

2 goalless games and 1 game of 1 goal does not equal great for your no. 1 forward.

As for better stats than Bradshaw and Brown, Bradshaw has average 4 goals a game after ungoing a full knee reconstruction and Brown has averaged more goals and more possessions than Lloyd playing from CHF.

 

[Gumbleton4Life]

after going to sydney to watch the game yesterday 2 things really sticks out. lloydy needs to play at chf (until scotty comes back)as we are getting no use from him at the moment with him being stuck in the goal square.
jay neagle should play out of the square as he doesn't have the fitness levels at the moment to play chf. where as lloydy should be able to run around for longer periods of time there.
also and i know i am going to cop some flack over this but. at the moment and with the current situation our little man in defence problems are we need spike to go back to the back pocket until we can groom someone(maybe a houli or reimers)to mind the mid-size forward and also to have someone there with good disposal coming out of defence.
rama is no back pocket ,i think he would be better valve for us as a wingman where his kicking skills could deliver pin point passes to lloyd and neagle.

bring in tayte pears and let him learn off fletch and mal and be used as our 3rd tall defender which would allow paddy to play as our 2nd ruckman so we can get rid of lazycock(thankgod you weren't on qf 467 back to melbourne last nite ) otherwise after spending 1.5hrs in the qantas lounge you would of copped a huge spray after the insipid efforts you put in yesterday 6ft 7in and run around like a pansy boy.

give hislop,lonergan,monfries and jetta alot of time on the ball .with watson and bring in johnson mainly for the experience side of things.

yeh i agree with most of what your saying. this season is lost so lets give teh kids a go - no better players to learn off than lloydy and fletch