Great article.

[clucas91]

By Mike Gibson in the Telegraph,

http://sport.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5343340%5E13700,00.html

Makes very valid points, as much as all as I love Australian cricket, I would much prefer the sport in general to flourish.

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Chris,
we were talking about this exact thing today.

Christ, the things that Gibson wrote!
I could have sworn you wrote the article Chris!
He highlighted everything you have said.

 

[Dipper]

This is something I've noticed on here a lot & from Aussies that I meet maybe it's because you've been winning for so long but I don't think most English people would think this way I think they'd be happy to steamroller people forever (not that it will happen) in fact i think I'm one of those people really.

 

[hourn]

Other cournties, in particular western world becasuse of $$$$$$ and people with better organization skills running the game, will flourish.

They just need to set up a system exactly like Australia's. If India had one like Australia, they'd be unbeatable as all the talent would be identified and nourished.

It just works simply - go through underage junior cricket with representative cricket at each levels. Then it goes into grade cricket, from 5th to 1st (in NSW) and on to state cricket.

In between, there are also under age grade competitions (in NSW its under 16 and under 21), along with underage state competitions (under 17 and under 19) and Colts competitions (under 21) and ACB Cup (State 2nd XI).

It's such a good ssytem because it simple. People always know where they stand, and the most talented ones will get plenty of matches against players at their standard, instead of being stuck in a local competitions where they score 200 runs every weekend.

The CBCA is also a major factor within Australia's ranks and ccan't be underemestimate either, although for all the training techniques they have there, it doesn't compare to game time.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Originally posted by hourn
They just need to set up a system exactly like Australia's. If India had one like Australia, they'd be unbeatable as all the talent would be identified and nourished.

Would they flourish? Remember that sport in India, like Pakistan, is very political and would the kids last in the team long enough if they failed. The Indian selectors seem quick to push players aside when things aint going right - remember Narendra Hirwani.
Every series we play against them, which are increasing in regularity they are a completely different side, with only about five players from the last series in the sqaud let alone the side.
Yes, I agree that the system would work, in theory, but there are different things pushing Indian cricket.
I kind of agree what Gibson wrote - but I guess if he wants to watch a sport where Australia is pushed - I would suggest he turn to swimming or ahtletics.

 

[hourn]

Originally posted by Dogwatcher


Would they flourish? Remember that sport in India, like Pakistan, is very political and would the kids last in the team long enough if they failed. The Indian selectors seem quick to push players aside when things aint going right - remember Narendra Hirwani.
Every series we play against them, which are increasing in regularity they are a completely different side, with only about five players from the last series in the sqaud let alone the side.
Yes, I agree that the system would work, in theory, but there are different things pushing Indian cricket.
I kind of agree what Gibson wrote - but I guess if he wants to watch a sport where Australia is pushed - I would suggest he turn to swimming or ahtletics.

yes that exactly what i'm saying. They're system of cricketing ranks is crap, and thats why everytime we play them, there is a completely new team.

If they got rid of the political crap and had a proper ranking of grades etc,. in place, then they would be unstoppable. There's is 1 billion people in that country, most of whom live and die by cricket because its all they have.

The problem they have is the people running the game, and the fact that one season a 17 year old kid is the future prodigy and 6 months later he can't get himself into FC cricket because he played 2 bad games in a row or something, and there is nothing for him to fall back on such as grade cricket. He goes back to playing on the street and his chances of stardom are gone.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Agreed. My point was that even if you did institute such a system it would just never work.

 

[hourn]

Originally posted by Dogwatcher
Agreed. My point was that even if you did institute such a system it would just never work.

in the subconteintent in may not because of politics, but at least players who get shunted from FC cricket so easily over there would have something to fall back on (grade cricket) and get their way back into FC Cricket.

In England they need to implement a system like Australia and a Cricket Academy. They're system from my understanding is similar to Australia's but it doesn't have the junior development such as under age representative competitions etc,.

Also doesn't have a recognizable grade cricket system. Although they have "minor leagues" but the standard of these competitions in very weak. At least thats my understanding. I may be wrong (but i'm pretty sure i've got it right or close to the mark) and could be strucutred the same as Australia, if that is the case, then they just suck

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Originally posted by hourn



in the subconteintent in may not because of politics, but at least players who get shunted from FC cricket so easily over there would have something to fall back on (grade cricket) and get their way back into FC Cricket.

In England they need to implement a system like Australia and a Cricket Academy. They're system from my understanding is similar to Australia's but it doesn't have the junior development such as under age representative competitions etc,.

Also doesn't have a recognizable grade cricket system. Although they have "minor leagues" but the standard of these competitions in very weak. At least thats my understanding. I may be wrong (but i'm pretty sure i've got it right or close to the mark) and could be strucutred the same as Australia, if that is the case, then they just suck

The problem with the English is that people from here who would be around the 200th best batsman in the country, go over there, and perform well at county level.

There is something seriously wrong with that.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Simon_Nesbit


The problem with the English is that people from here who would be around the 200th best batsman in the country, go over there, and perform well at county level.

There is something seriously wrong with that.

They could only do that if they meet the English qualifications. Every county side is only allowed one international player, and these players are usually stars.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Originally posted by DaveW


They could only do that if they meet the English qualifications. Every county side is only allowed one international player, and these players are usually stars.

Like Jamie Cox, huh.

 

[BMD]

Originally posted by DaveW


They could only do that if they meet the English qualifications. Every county side is only allowed one international player, and these players are usually stars.

Aren't the top performers in county cricket every year guys who can't quite make the Australian team?

EG: Bevan, Lehmann, Law, Cox, Elliott.

 

[Dipper]

Originally posted by DaveW


They could only do that if they meet the English qualifications. Every county side is only allowed one international player, and these players are usually stars.

Actually whilst 1 overseas player per county is true & Aussies such as Cox,Lehman,Law & even the likes of Hussey have come over & dominated we get EU qualified players playing & we can't stop them.

These are guys, usually Aussie or South African who qualify for an EU passport & thus can play county cricket but not as an overseas player.

At the moment it's mainly south Africans but there's a few Aussies a couple of years ago there was a bit of a stink about some Italian/aussie coming over to play.(I think his name was Joe Scuderi?)


On the subject of India dominating if they had a system like Australia's, I don't see it.I mean they do alright for batsmen & spinners as it is, it's just quicks they lack but I think this is more of a physical thing.

You don't see many big strapping Indians like Gillespie or McGrath, it probably has to do with the fact that most Indians are vegetarians & so they tend to produce these little skinny guys.
Just look at Pakistan where most of them eat meat & you have these big guys like Wasim & Waqar-of course there's exceptions but I'm talking in general.

 

[jim boy]

Originally posted by hourn

In England they need to implement a system like Australia and a Cricket Academy. They're system from my understanding is similar to Australia's but it doesn't have the junior development such as under age representative competitions etc,

England started up an English Cricket Academy about a year ago, based on the Australian model. It's run by Rod Marsh and they're still getting the place properly established, see http://www.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2002/SEP/068663_ENG_25SEP2002.html so it appears that they are moving in the right direction and it will take while before results are really there. Given their most recent peformances, the sooner the better.