Vic "Gridlock" Dan Andrews

[Messenger]

Geelong is hardcore Labor it gets nothing and even worse it get. Marles.

The surfcoast is what you are thinking of.

No, I know what I’m thinking.

 

[Sainteric]

No, I know what I’m thinking.

Sorry then you know Labor ignores anything west of the cbd

 

[Messenger]

Sorry then you know Labor ignores anything west of the cbd

Everyone takes these people for granted.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Yeah the past Lib govts have don’t some great things out west haven’t they?

Here’s the list of achievements of the Kennett, Baillieu and Napthine govts ..

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Superb

 

[Beerfish]

I may end up in Perth.

**** off we're full!

 

[Kwality]

And 'older' appears to have quietly been dropped from the diversity mantra - male or female, ethnic or not

What makes people accept social engineering in any form yet run with diversity.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Indians tend to be quite conservative. They are family oriented, law abiding, not into trades unions, prefer tradition over newer woke thinking.

Who exactly do you think was running India in the decades that all these immigrants were growing up?

The socially conservative Indians tend to be the first-generation immigrants. I've found second-generation immigrants to be as progressive as the rest of Australian youth.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

But it's the people of Victoria who have to live with the reductions in quality of life due to massive traffic congestion and overcrowding on public transport.

I'm not going to call you an idiot like some other posters have. But I want to know, why do you look at this issue and identify the problem as being too many immigrants, rather than not enough investment in public transport and roads?

 

[Runk]

This thread is giving me life!

 

[Snake_Baker]

fu** off we're full!

Not when I kick you the **** out of there.

 

[Bombermania]

Werribee will.never fall to the LNP(even if they start coming up with policies outside of law anf order) they are losing traditional voters who have seen the area destroyed by over population and due to the crims are the real victims approach to crime under Dear Leader Dan but those traditional voters are being replaced by the Sudanese who are growing quickly in numbers and will vote ALP.

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Punter is right Werribee isn't safe at all with pockets of Liberal Party support around Point Cook.

 

[Kwality]

Punter is right Werribee isn't safe at all with pockets of Liberal Party support around Point Cook.

Behind a paywall but the article effectively says Werribee & Melton are both in trouble for the Govt.

Melbourne's west set to turn its back on the ALP

The Victorian Labor party could lose its grip on its western Melbourne heartlands as voters on the city’s fringes are increasingly squeezed out by population growth, a former key ALP strategist has warned.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Kwality]

Vic holding back on the Fed Royal Commission is not a good look Dan ....

But Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews’s spokesman said: “We continue to consider Victoria’s involvement in the federal bushfire royal commission.”

Mr Andrews is concerned about the encroachment of commonwealth powers into areas of state responsibility.

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Mr Morrison has asked the commission to look at whether the commonwealth should be able to declare a state of national emergency and be given clearer authority to take action.

He has also said hazard reduction, native vegetation management, building standards and planning laws should remain a state responsibility, but called for “national consistency” after the bushfires burned through states along the east coast.

Monash University constitutional law professor Luke Beck said the issuing of state letters patent meant the federal royal commission became a simultaneous state royal commission.

He said there was uncertainty over whether a federal royal commission could compel the handover of state documents and appearances of state witnesses without the letters patent being issued by all levels of government.

 

[Gethelred]

Everyone has their own situation, you can’t judge people you know nothing about.

Some will be doing school drop offs on the way to work

Others will use the time in the car to make phone calls, making the commute more efficient. I’ve done this in past jobs and it was a very valuable time of my day... and not something that’s very easy to do when you’re pressed guts to back with thousands of others on a train.

Others don’t live anywhere near a station - or near a station with parking.

Plenty of jobs require you to on the road during the day going to other offices or customers. If you need to visit multiple places across Melbourne each day, often PT just isn’t useful.

People will always take the option that is most convenient within their commitments, and cheapest. People are rational.

I agree with all of that, except the final line. People can behave rationally, but in general expect a significant percentage of them to be irrational, based purely on the situation they find themselves in and what they're expected to do.

 

[Gethelred]

I'm not against this in theory but in practise lobby groups would find a way round it to gain influence.

Also, I doubt any of the major parties would be in favour. Last year the Greens were the recipients from Australia's largest individual political donor. Labor relies on its union donations. All the parties have a range of individual and business donors. I'm wondering that The Bikini Body Training Company Pty Ltd got for their $25k donation to the SA Libs. Then there's GetUp and other supposedly non-affiliated political groups.

Anyway we digress. Both the roads and public transport in Melbourne are massively overcrowded. You would have to experience it on a daily basis to appreciate how bad it is.

So your reasoning is, we should not have a federal ICAC because the lobby groups will find their way around it anyway?

You can see how ridiculous an argument that is, surely.

 

[Kwality]

So your reasoning is, we should not have a federal ICAC because the lobby groups will find their way around it anyway?

You can see how ridiculous an argument that is, surely.

My concern is the failures to date, but we need to press on, smartys giving two fingers .... its not about one side or the other.

 

[tandino]

Vic holding back on the Fed Royal Commission is not a good look Dan ....

But Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews’s spokesman said: “We continue to consider Victoria’s involvement in the federal bushfire royal commission.”

Mr Andrews is concerned about the encroachment of commonwealth powers into areas of state responsibility.

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Mr Morrison has asked the commission to look at whether the commonwealth should be able to declare a state of national emergency and be given clearer authority to take action.

He has also said hazard reduction, native vegetation management, building standards and planning laws should remain a state responsibility, but called for “national consistency” after the bushfires burned through states along the east coast.

Monash University constitutional law professor Luke Beck said the issuing of state letters patent meant the federal royal commission became a simultaneous state royal commission.

He said there was uncertainty over whether a federal royal commission could compel the handover of state documents and appearances of state witnesses without the letters patent being issued by all levels of government.

But bushfires don't respect state borders ?!?

 

[Kwality]

But bushfires don't respect state borders ?!?

Electricity doesnt either .... States are pretty keen for the Feds to pick up the tab.

 

[Gethelred]

My concern is the failures to date, but we need to press on, smartys giving two fingers .... its not about one side or the other.

Do you think you could rephrase this, and make your meaning a bit more plain?

Of course it isn't about one side or the other; O'Farrell was sufficiently a fool that in his implementation of the NSW ICAC he gave it the terms to belt his opponents about like crazy, but then when they turned their eyes to his lot it brought down his government. Cat was out of the bag there, and it demonstrated very much that there were no 'good guy' sides in this; it also serves as a statutory lesson for the federal government in why not to set up an ICAC with teeth, which is part of the problem.

And no, I am point blank uninterested in an ICAC which neglects historical rorting. These people have been stealing from us, the people, for decades; If I stole something, I'd be in jail.

 

[The Punter]

To be fair, O'Farrell's government was "brought down" because he had a memory lapse about a bottle of wine while under oath.

 

[Frank Bunn]

why do you look at this issue and identify the problem as being too many immigrants, rather than not enough investment in public transport and roads?

What is the end goal of the electorate? To have a government that promotes jobs and a higher standard of living. But at every Vic election there's never a mention of what population size and immigration rate might be desirable for our liveability.

Victoria's population has grown by record number of immigrants without our consent. It is a means of manufacturing a budget surplus. Investment in public transport and roads is just a bi-product of the process of creating and spending the bogus surplus in order to look like politicians are 'doing something'.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

What is the end goal of the electorate? To have a government that promotes jobs and a higher standard of living. But at every Vic election there's never a mention of what population size and immigration rate might be desirable for our liveability.

And you don't think migration addressing skills shortages is promoting a higher standard of living?

Victoria's population has grown by record number of immigrants without our consent.

Voters have the opportunity at each election to tell their leaders they want less immigration. But Sustainable Australia, pretty much the only party that's against immigration for reasons other than race and culture, has never been elected to any position of note. Even parties like One Nation that appeal to xenophobia still have no traction in Victoria. Nor is there some great letter-writing campaign by the public to their major party MPs regarding lower immigration, at least not that I'm aware of. That is effective consent to the actions of the government.

It is a means of manufacturing a budget surplus.

Is it? Haven't seen a federal budget surplus in over a decade now.

Investment in public transport and roads is just a bi-product of the process of creating and spending the bogus surplus in order to look like politicians are 'doing something'.

If that's the case, why were there decades of underinvestment in Victoria's infrastructure that Andrews now has to grapple with? Did the politicians not need to look like they were doing something for four decades?

It's been proven that skilled immigration brings prosperity to the country, because it improves our productivity and competitiveness. For decades, the private sector has been happy to take the productivity boost, but hasn't been happy to spread the benefits to ordinary workers or pay their fair share in tax. The government has been happy to take what tax they've been able to extract, but hasn't been happy to make the investments in infrastructure necessary to support a growing population. Those are the people to blame, for those reasons.

 

[Kwality]

Do you think you could rephrase this, and make your meaning a bit more plain?

Of course it isn't about one side or the other; O'Farrell was sufficiently a fool that in his implementation of the NSW ICAC he gave it the terms to belt his opponents about like crazy, but then when they turned their eyes to his lot it brought down his government. Cat was out of the bag there, and it demonstrated very much that there were no 'good guy' sides in this; it also serves as a statutory lesson for the federal government in why not to set up an ICAC with teeth, which is part of the problem.

And no, I am point blank uninterested in an ICAC which neglects historical rorting. These people have been stealing from us, the people, for decades; If I stole something, I'd be in jail.

I was saying it as I see it, its how I feel about the NSW ICAC/Vic IBAC & I'm not about to trawl through the history & its not about one side or the other.
Out of interest in times past my employer donated to both parties & I was appointed as an industry rep on a State body. I've seen it up close.

 

[Gethelred]

I was saying it as I see it, its how I feel about the NSW ICAC/Vic IBAC & I'm not about to trawl through the history & its not about one side or the other.
Out of interest in times past my employer donated to both parties & I was appointed as an industry rep on a State body. I've seen it up close.

Like I said, it isn't about one side or the other, but what it is about is theft; theft of the democratic process, circumvention of our rights as citizens and as voters, and the outright seizure of our democracy by those with the money to influence it.

These people should pay for what they have done, as an incentive for those who were thinking about doing it in future.

 

[Kwality]

Like I said, it isn't about one side or the other, but what it is about is theft; theft of the democratic process, circumvention of our rights as citizens and as voters, and the outright seizure of our democracy by those with the money to influence it.

These people should pay for what they have done, as an incentive for those who were thinking about doing it in future.

Our political class see it as a right, it needs to be cleaned up. I'm not sure going back achieves anything where going forward honestly & fairly is real big ask.

I was about in the WA Inc era, a Premier from both parties went inside.

WA Inc - Wikipedia

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30 years on the litigation is over, the squabbling over the money means in excess of 1Billion is yet to be dispersed

From the Archives, 1990: New Premier pledges to close WA Inc

30 years ago today, Western Australia's Dr Carmen Lawrence made history by becoming the country's first woman premier.

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After more than two decades of litigation stemming from the collapse of Bell Group, its remaining creditors — those that helped fund the mammoth litigation — are closing on an agreement to divvy up the estimated $1.9bn available in the pool, won in the courts from the banks that stripped more than $280m in its assets after appointing receivers in 1991.

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