Griffin

[Wizard]

Contracted or uncontracted???

And what would he be worth on the trade table in the opinion of Crows fans?

 

[hugecannon]

I think he's tradable if the right offer came along (a first round pick in the top 15 would probably be just about enough) has gone from being our no. 1 ruckman to no. 4 in the space of about 2 months and has shown over the last two sasons that he struggles to maintain his performances after mid-season. He is however highly talented, if he's able to put on 10-15kgs of muscle and improve his fitness and marking ability he could be an elite ruckman in the comp Dean Cox style.

 

[Crowked]

Contracted for 2009 apparently.

We'd maybe consider Pavlich. hehehe

Freo have nothing but bonified stars and draft picks to work with IMO. Cant imagine them parting with either, so cant see a straight deal happening ATM.

 

[Redline]

It would have to be a very very good deal for us to trade him. Maric has been very good, Tippett seems to be more of a forward long term while the jury is still out on Moran. We have seen in the past how our ruck stocks can be depleted very quickly.

Good young Ruckman are so hard to find I think we would be mad to give him up. I think long term he will be in our best 22.

 

[Vader]

Not sure about his contractual status, as the Crows don't always announce contract signings if they are uncontroversial or not judged to be newsworthy.

However, if you were to "make us an offer we couldn't refuse" then I'm sure it would be considered carefully. We currently have 4 young ruckmen who have all shown the ability to play at AFL level. Thus, we could afford to trade one of them away (provided we drafted a new kid to take his place).

It looks like you'll be losing Warnock to a Melbourne based club, but you are in a position to pick up NickNat in the draft. If you ask me, that's a pretty good upgrade.

What sort of an offer did you have in mind for Griffin? AFL standard ruckmen don't grow on trees and we wouldn't be willing to give him away for nothing. On the other hand, he's definitely not worthy of pick 3 in the draft. A bit of realism from both sides would be good here.

 

[betterthanu]

Cameron Wood was traded for pick 14. Good ruckman have high trade value. Is Griffin worth as much as Wood?

 

[jackster83]

I think he's tradable if the right offer came along (a first round pick in the top 15 would probably be just about enough) has gone from being our no. 1 ruckman to no. 4 in the space of about 2 months and has shown over the last two sasons that he struggles to maintain his performances after mid-season. He is however highly talented, if he's able to put on 10-15kgs of muscle and improve his fitness and marking ability he could be an elite ruckman in the comp Dean Cox style.

He is more likely to end up a Matthew Clarke style ruckman (king of hitouts but does little around the ground) than Dean Cox.

 

[vlbl]

I agree with our ruck stock being relatively strong, Griffin has been overtaken by Maric, Moran and Tippett. There's a thread on the draft and trading board suggesting that Griffin asked to be traded, but as with a lot of things said on that board, it seems so far to have very little credibility.

If Freo are very keen on Griffin (being a WA lad himself), i know it is ridiculous to ask for a top 3 or even top 4 pick for him, instead i think a deal consisting a swap of our 1st round pick and freo's 2nd round pick would seal the deal, i am saying this because it seems like Griffin is contracted until 2009, and we would have a fair deal of bargaining power there.

 

[Big Cox]

Most likely to join Richmond although a bidding war could happen if Port back up there initial interest with a offer.

Richmond will offer a 2nd rounder. They have more then made it clear that the 2nd round pick they have is up for trade

 

[vlbl]

Cameron Wood was traded for pick 14. Good ruckman have high trade value. Is Griffin worth as much as Wood?

Griffin is MUCH better then Wood as a ruckman. Griffin has shown that he is able to be the lead ruckman of a club, whereas Wood really struggled when Fraser was out with injury and even now with the pies limited ruck options he can't get a gig ahead of Bryan, who is worse then all our 4 ruckmen and Wood is just younger then Griffin and Maric by less then 1 year.

 

[Cap]

Most likely to join Richmond although a bidding war could happen if Port back up there initial interest with a offer.

Richmond will offer a 2nd rounder. They have more then made it clear that the 2nd round pick they have is up for trade

what?

 

[Redline]

I agree with our ruck stock being relatively strong, Griffin has been overtaken by Maric, Moran and Tippett.

People keep saying that and I don't 100% agree. Maric I agree with at the moment but Tippett has been a bit up and down and played a fair bit up forward. I think we need to wait a little longer on Moran, he has had some good games but at times you can see some areas he is lacking in. I think Griffin will be a better Ruckman than Moran who I see more of a key position type.

Griffin was being asked to do too much of the work earlier in the year and so was Tippett in my opinion. I am a big Griffin fan so I may be biased but I don't think he is that far behind that group. Earlier in the year people were writing off Maric after all.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Most likely to join Richmond although a bidding war could happen if Port back up there initial interest with a offer.

Richmond will offer a 2nd rounder. They have more then made it clear that the 2nd round pick they have is up for trade

I may be slightly off but that would make Richmond's pick no. 26? Nowhere near good enough based on the Wood precedent. A fit Griffin is one of the best centre-square rucks in the league...it just remains a mystery as to how well this talented 22 yo will improve on his other deficits (mainly relating to this slight frame).

Port will have pick 3 and 21ish (if i have the priority system right?). Again, a speculative pick 21 still not good enough to replace a good ruckman who still has a heap of upside and may become very, very good.

As we all know, throwing in rubbish B-grade players doesn't sweeten these trade deals and make up the pick-value difference.

If he valued purely on pick value I'd expect no better than pick 8ish but no lower than pick 15ish.

Still so much boom-or-bust about Griffin. I hope we have contracted him for next year as it could be his big year. If it isn't his stocks will drop a bit but the risk of it going the other is too great unless we get a very good deal.

 

[vlbl]

People keep saying that and I don't 100% agree. Maric I agree with at the moment but Tippett has been a bit up and down and played a fair bit up forward. I think we need to wait a little longer on Moran, he has had some good games but at times you can see some areas he is lacking in. I think Griffin will be a better Ruckman than Moran who I see more of a key position type.

Griffin was being asked to do too much of the work earlier in the year and so was Tippett in my opinion. I am a big Griffin fan so I may be biased but I don't think he is that far behind that group. Earlier in the year people were writing off Maric after all.

When i said he had been overtaken, i was not talking about the long-term, i was merely talking about what has been going on this season. It seems clear that if Griffin can't put on muscle he will never be able to play 22 rounds. Don't get me wrong i was a bigger fan of Griffin then Maric, but now that both have had their time leading the ruck i get the feeling that, Maric has cemented his spot as our lead ruckman.

The reason the club is going with Moran and Tippett (Griffin is a better ruckman then both) is that they provide more flexibility around the ground, and mainly due to his frame and not necessarily his work ethic he can't hold down a KPP spot like tippett and Moran can almost play anywhere in the ground. I'm just saying if there is strong interest in him, and the club can get a very good offer for him while he is contracted then i can't see why we won't consider the offer thoroughly.

 

[cmndstab]

I would imagine a first round draft pick, or a second-rounder + a player would be about right. Has loads of talent but hasn't (yet?) got the body to play AFL football.

 

[UltraMagnus]

Griffin is MUCH better then Wood as a ruckman. Griffin has shown that he is able to be the lead ruckman of a club, whereas Wood really struggled when Fraser was out with injury and even now with the pies limited ruck options he can't get a gig ahead of Bryan, who is worse then all our 4 ruckmen and Wood is just younger then Griffin and Maric by less then 1 year.

hmmm dont agree. They are probably about even in my opinion definately no way griffin is MUCH better.

wood did not struggle when fraser was out he did quite well considering his age and the only reason he's not in ahead of bryan is cos he is a fraser type ruckman and there is no need for 2 of them especially when Bryan is ok (definately not worse that all 4 of your ruckmen)

and not that it means all that much but wood has gotten a rising star nom which AFAIK griffen has not.

 

[WALL-e]

hmmm dont agree. They are probably about even in my opinion definately no way griffin is MUCH better.

wood did not struggle when fraser was out he did quite well considering his age and the only reason he's not in ahead of bryan is cos he is a fraser type ruckman and there is no need for 2 of them especially when Bryan is ok (definately not worse that all 4 of your ruckmen)

and not that it means all that much but wood has gotten a rising star nom which AFAIK griffen has not.

But Adelaide have only ever had 2 or so Rising Star noms so maybe we have no good players at all.

 

[Dandy_GO]

hmmm dont agree. They are probably about even in my opinion definately no way griffin is MUCH better.

wood did not struggle when fraser was out he did quite well considering his age and the only reason he's not in ahead of bryan is cos he is a fraser type ruckman and there is no need for 2 of them especially when Bryan is ok (definately not worse that all 4 of your ruckmen)

and not that it means all that much but wood has gotten a rising star nom which AFAIK griffen has not.

Wood's nomination was bullshit.
He got 5 touches, 2 marks and 11 hitouts that week.
The very same round, Griffin had 11 touches, 5 marks and 14 hitouts.

 

[crowman_23]

I think Griffin is still well and truly our number two ruckman. The problem is we still have no forwards in our side, and Moran, Maric and Tippett can all offer the added value of going forward. If we could get a decent forward line up and running I have no doubt our ruck combination would be Maric anf Griffin, Tippett would probably be FF.

I'm still not sold at all on Moran. Will have a dip and offers something as a KPP around the ground, but his ruck work is very suspect for mine. I would think he is still only seen as a part time ruckman for now while Griffin is struggling in the two's and we don't have any forwards, as he can push forward.

 

[ruscy002]

Cameron Wood was traded for pick 14. Good ruckman have high trade value. Is Griffin worth as much as Wood?

He’s worth a lot more than Wood, but maybe won’t command a pick in the vicinity of 15 in this “superdraft”. It took niggly injuries and the new, improved, playing like a man possessed Maric to displace him from our #1 ruck position.

If Griff is uncontracted for next season, I’d take what we can get for him, which should hopefully be between pick 17 and 30. If he is contracted, he’s probably worth holding onto for another year just to see how things pan out within our own squad unless we get a really sweet deal. Otherwise we should hold onto him while we truly find out something about the effectiveness of the Maric, Moran, Tippett rotating forward/ruck trio.

Best case scenario…he is contracted and we command a really decent DP. If Richmond are truly keen then we should be as aggressive as possible, they need a ruckman as much if not more than anyone. Griffin for 2nd rounder (25-ish) + a decent young player (one of Hughes, Edwards or White?)

Might seem like poor value to some Richmond supporters, but you can’t underestimate the trade value of an established, ready to go ruckman. If they dare to even mention Schulz in a trade, I’d make it 1st rounder + Morton for sheer insolence…

 

[SEEING EYE DOG]

No matter what value you put on him, gonna be hard to get a first
round pick. Maybe Sydney. I could see Sydney offering 1st round and
Tim Schmitt for Griffin and ???. I don't think anyone else would trade
their first pick. From Richmond expect an offer of 2nd round and Meyer,
Schultz or Pettifer. Freo would have to come up with a 3 or 4 club deal
to make it work. I reckon West Coast might be interested as well. Or
maybe it's all a load of crap.

 

[Vader]

If Griff is uncontracted for next season, I’d take what we can get for him, which should hopefully be between pick 17 and 30. If he is contracted, he’s probably worth holding onto for another year just to see how things pan out within our own squad unless we get a really sweet deal. Otherwise we should hold onto him while we truly find out something about the effectiveness of the Maric, Moran, Tippett rotating forward/ruck trio.

Best case scenario…he is contracted and we command a really decent DP. If Richmond are truly keen then we should be as aggressive as possible, they need a ruckman as much if not more than anyone. Griffin for 2nd rounder (25-ish) + a decent young player (one of Hughes, Edwards or White?)

Apparently he is contracted.

My personal opinion would be one of the following three options:

• One first round pick (heck, Wood was worth pick #14).
• Two second round picks (one of which must be inside the top 25).
• One second round pick and a decent young player.

Anything less than that and we'd be selling ourselves short. Unlike most players on our list, Griffin DOES have value in a trade and we should not be letting him go for peanuts.

 

[ruscy002]

Apparently he is contracted.


My personal opinion would be one of the following three options:

• One first round pick (heck, Wood was worth pick #14).
• Two second round picks (one of which must be inside the top 25).
• One second round pick and a decent young player.

Anything less than that and we'd be selling ourselves short. Unlike most players on our list, Griffin DOES have value in a trade and we should not be letting him go for peanuts.

In that case, do you think my assessment of Griffin for Richmond’s 2nd round pick + Hughes, Edwards or White (and definitely not Schulz) is close, or are these guys slightly above the trade value when coupled with a 2nd round DP? I tend not to think so because as I said, the value of a ready to go ruckman in a trade cannot be underestimated, but Richmond supporters will probably think I’m on crack or something.

 

[WALL-e]

Apparently he is contracted.


My personal opinion would be one of the following three options:

• One first round pick (heck, Wood was worth pick #14).
• Two second round picks (one of which must be inside the top 25).
• One second round pick and a decent young player.

Anything less than that and we'd be selling ourselves short. Unlike most players on our list, Griffin DOES have value in a trade and we should not be letting him go for peanuts.

second.

If Richmond would only be willing to part with their second they should add on Edwards

 

[Vader]

In that case, do you think my assessment of Griffin for Richmond’s 2nd round pick + Hughes, Edwards or White (and definitely not Schulz) is close, or are these guys slightly above the trade value when coupled with a 2nd round DP? I tend not to think so because as I said, the value of a ready to go ruckman in a trade cannot be underestimated, but Richmond supporters will probably think I’m on crack or something.

You're probably around the mark with those suggestions.

I used to be a fan of Cleve Hughes and wanted to see him playing for the Crows, given our lack of forward options. He certainly got a lot of people excited when he kicked that bag of 6 against Port, following it up with 3 more the following week against Carlton. However, he was dropped only 2 weeks later and I'm assuming it wasn't because of injury. He's the same vintage as Douglas & Vince, yet he's only played 13 games - 6 of them this year (none since R16). Make of that what you will.

We have an abundance of young midfielders already on our list, so I'm not sure why we'd need Edwards. Just take a look at the debates raging on our board over who should be dropped to make way for Porps & Vince to return this week.

Don't know enough about White to comment.