Guerra?

[mattyc2422]

Brent Guerra seems certain to find a third AFL home after being delisted by the Saints 10 days ago, having drawn interest from several clubs, among them Hawthorn. The Hawks have the third selection in the pre-season draft and Guerra played for Hawk coach Alastair Clarkson at Central District in 2001-02 and in their time together at Port Adelaide.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/11/07/1131212002944.html

Interesting. Probably just presumptuous journalism given the Port-Clarkson-Guey connection, but hmmm nevertheless.

 

[dipper86]

Great points Main Man.

He's (Guerra) has been DELISTED by TWO AFL clubs. C'mon what more evidence do you need.... if he was any good, 1 of those 2 would have kept him, they didn't because he isn't.

There is also plenty to support late draft picks that go on and be successful AFL players. Guys like 2003 pick 73 - Shane Tuck.

Guerra is a know commodity at AFL level.

Lets pick someone who is unknown and give them the shot.

Get you facts straight, he was not delisted by Port, he left the club because he wanted to come back home.

At St Kilda he was a victim of the salary cap, St Kilda chose to keep its veterans for one more year, hence why Guerra had to leave. Port wanted him to stay.

 

[RustyHawk]

Terrible news from todays Age (08/11/2005)

"Brent Guerra seems certain to find a third AFL home after being delisted by the Saints 10 days ago, having drawn interest from several clubs, among them Hawthorn. The Hawks have the third selection in the pre-season draft and Guerra played for Hawk coach Alastair Clarkson at Central District in 2001-02 and in their time together at Port Adelaide."

Dipper what a wonderful free world we live in where each can have their own opinion, you have yours and I have mine.

Its just that:

I dont see Port scrambling to get him back.

For whatever reason public reason the Sts got rid of Guerra - it still doesnt change the fact that privately out of all their list he was one of those
- they considered the worst;
- the least likely to succeed;
- the one least likely to be missed;
- the one they could afford to get rid of;
- the one they thought they could replace with someone of equal if not better in the draft etc etc.

The things we know about Guerra. The things that all we have to do is fill in the dates... for as night follows day, these events will occur if we draft G.

ok he might even play some decent games.. until later when we have to keep the likes of Franklin, Roughie, Lewis etc etc Guerra's name will again pop and people will again go, cya later.

If he joins us he will definately be suspended at some stages during his career.... cant do much for the team when your suspended.

Could be a bad influence on Campbell Brown, another reason to keep this person away, way away from the club.

He is cheap shot player. Players like Bateman who throw themselves onto the ball just as an opposition player is about to kick it in our last line of defence. Thats courage, and tons of it. Guerra, hitting guys like Pickett does - players who only have their eyes on the ball, players trying to get the ball for their club only to be taken out by some cheap low life... we will feel so PROUD having that sort of donkey on our team, NOT.

Personally, just personally, I think hes crap and we would be much better served taking a late round draft pick, someone who could turn out to be another James Hird or something.

 

[GoHawks!!]

Very forceful and well thought out post Rusty.

I am also not sure about Guerra's place in the Hawks lineup but he was a very decent player in a good Port midfield and forward set up.

At the Saints, he was only ever a complimentary player because of all the young, highly drafted talent on the Saints list. He seemed to spend a fair bit of time on and off the bench which cannot do much for your fitness, confidence, and ability to impact positively on a game.

The loss of so much experience off the Hawks list (we only have 8 players over the age of 25 years currently on the list!!) and the surprise loss of Ang Lekkas will, I think, mean that the coaching staff may look closer than they might have at Guerra, Steven Armstrong, and any other moderately experienced players because of the gulf between our very promising youngsters (we have 22 players 23 y.o. or younger), and our older players (Crawf, Everitt, Vanders, Jacobs, Croad etc).

Yes, Guerra can be a sniper, but, if the Hawks pick him up, at least he will be our sniper!!

 

[Nightwolf]

Dear god No....

 

[sammm]

Get you facts straight, he was not delisted by Port, he left the club because he wanted to come back home.

At St Kilda he was a victim of the salary cap, St Kilda chose to keep its veterans for one more year, hence why Guerra had to leave. Port wanted him to stay.

Guerra was not a victim of the salary cap. if yoy looked at his games you will find that he only played well in the first half of 2004. He then fell away. last year finals and this years finals he did nothing. That is the reason why st kilda delisted him. he had become famous for his hits eg on cameron bruce but did not much other than that, even in that game.

 

[dipper86]

Terrible news from todays Age (08/11/2005)

"Brent Guerra seems certain to find a third AFL home after being delisted by the Saints 10 days ago, having drawn interest from several clubs, among them Hawthorn. The Hawks have the third selection in the pre-season draft and Guerra played for Hawk coach Alastair Clarkson at Central District in 2001-02 and in their time together at Port Adelaide."

Dipper what a wonderful free world we live in where each can have their own opinion, you have yours and I have mine.

Its just that:

I dont see Port scrambling to get him back.

Why would they? after he chose to turn his back on the side, At Port he was a good player and they were reluctent to let him go.

For whatever reason public reason the Sts got rid of Guerra - it still doesnt change the fact that privately out of all their list he was one of those
- they considered the worst;
- the least likely to succeed;
- the one least likely to be missed;
- the one they could afford to get rid of;
- the one they thought they could replace with someone of equal if not better in the draft etc etc.

Yes this was the same chain of thoughts by clubs that let Tuck leave Hawthorn and join Richmond, Ablett to go to Geelong, Hardwick to join Port, Davey to join Melb, etc etc.

Geez some of you guys are acting as if we have the best list in the league, Guerra can play, he has shown he can, he has had 1 bad year and you guys can write him off.

We are going to pick up 5 youngsters in the Afl draft ontop of the 5 players recruited in 2004, An experienced player is what we also need to bring some balance to the side. Guerra brings some depth to the squad and gives some protection to the many youngsters coming through.

Pros for Guerra
1. Guerra has good field kicking.-- Yes.
2. Can Guerra kick a goal. -- Yes.
3. Is he hard at the ball/man.-- Yes
4. Can he mark.---- Yes
5. Can he accumulate possestions.-- Yes.
6. Does he have a footy brain.--- Yes.

There are not many Hawthorn players that would make the starting line up in the St Kilda side, especially when we have probably have one of the worst skilled lists in the competition.

Personally, just personally, I think hes crap and we would be much better served taking a late round draft pick, someone who could turn out to be another James Hird or something.

Mate face reality this AFL football, gone are the days when you can pick up players of the ilk of Grant and Hird with later picks in the draft.

Surley Guerra is better than a speculative late pick in a weak draft that drops of heavily after pick 30, even the fact of having to many youngsters is a put off, we need to start winning matches and having an under 18's squad is not going to do it, we need a blend of experience and youth cause if we have another serious injury count to our senior players like we did in 2005, we will be up sh*t creek.

I would not be fazed if we picked him up or even if we elected to go for someone else, but for some of you people saying that he cant play is just plain wrong.

 

[dipper86]

Guerra was not a victim of the salary cap. if yoy looked at his games you will find that he only played well in the first half of 2004. He then fell away. last year finals and this years finals he did nothing. That is the reason why st kilda delisted him. he had become famous for his hits eg on cameron bruce but did not much other than that, even in that game.

I'm not saying he didn't have a bad year at the saints but if you do search on the net you will find that St Kilda wanted to keep its 2 veterans on the list Thompson and Peckett effectivley leaving no room or money to keep Guerra.

 

[Nightwolf]

Why would they? after he chose to turn his back on the side, At Port he was a good player and they were reluctent to let him go.



Geez some of you guys are acting as if we have the best list in the league, Guerra can play, he has shown he can, he has had 1 bad year and you guys can write him off.

We are going to pick up 5 youngsters in the Afl draft ontop of the 5 players recruited in 2004, An experienced player is what we also need to bring some balance to the side. Guerra brings some depth to the squad and gives some protection to the many youngsters coming through.

Pros for Guerra
1. Guerra has good field kicking.-- Yes.
2. Can Guerra kick a goal. -- Yes.
3. Is he hard at the ball/man.-- Yes
4. Can he mark.---- Yes
5. Can he accumulate possestions.-- Yes.
6. Does he have a footy brain.--- Yes.

There are not many Hawthorn players that would make the starting line up in the St Kilda side, especially when we have probably have one of the worst skilled lists in the competition.




Mate face reality this AFL football, gone are the days when you can pick up players of the ilk of Grant and Hird with picks latter in the draft.

Surley Guerra is better than a speculative late pick in a weak draft that drops of heavily after pick 30

Cons for Guerra:

Is he crap: Yes
Is he a dirty sniper who would crap himself when confronted: Yes
Does he excell in Finals: No
Is he consistant: No and Yes - He is consistantly crap more than he is consistantly good
Has he been delisted by 2 teams with very good forward lines: Yes
Will he be good in our forward line: No
Is Miller a better option - Yes
Is he bald - Yes

 

[cs61]

Cons for Guerra:

Is he crap: Yes
Is he a dirty sniper who would crap himself when confronted: Yes
Does he excell in Finals: No
Is he consistant: No and Yes - He is consistantly crap more than he is consistantly good
Has he been delisted by 2 teams with very good forward lines: Yes
Will he be good in our forward line: No
Is Miller a better option - Yes
Is he bald - Yes

Not very logical there Nightwolf.

He is tough at it, this sniper talk is rubbish. Good skills, has been very inconsistent but is still young, and has shown he can play. Definately worth PSD pick 3 considering who else is available (no one!).

Definately worth a punt, and I'd have no problem with taking him and reckon St Kilda should have persisted with him.

 

[Bennycoff]

i wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at hawthorn, the coaching staff love the tough hard nuts.

 

[dipper86]

Cons for Guerra:

Is he crap: Yes
Is he a dirty sniper who would crap himself when confronted: Yes
Does he excell in Finals: No
Is he consistant: No and Yes - He is consistantly crap more than he is consistantly good
Has he been delisted by 2 teams with very good forward lines: Yes
Will he be good in our forward line: No
Is Miller a better option - Yes
Is he bald - Yes

Thats a pathetic effort.

 

[Bennycoff]

guerra is still quite young, 23. he could improve. he can be quite handy, he wouldnt be the worst pick up, who else is out there.

 

[Nightwolf]

Thats a pathetic effort.

Its not a pathetic effort, its fact...

He is rubbish, i have watched him carefully for 2 years in a quality forward line, apart from a slight purple patch where he did look good, he has shown nothing. You would think youd be able to bob up with a couple of goals sitting at Gehrigs or Reiwoldts feet, but not Guerra.


Is he a dirty sniper who would crap himself when confronted: Yes, all his bumps were cheap and id love to see his reaction if Byron Pickett or Luke Hodge went to confront him and have a push and shove session. Hed crap himself. This toughness talk is absolute tripe.

Does he excell in Finals: No - I think that was a pretty spot on assessment. We will play finals in a couple of years, id like to have players that can actually get a kick when they come.

Is he consistant: No and Yes - He is consistantly crap more than he is consistantly good. Bit of smart ass in this comment, but he is very in consistant. Spot on again.

Has he been delisted by 2 teams with very good forward lines: Yes, Spot on again.

Will he be good in our forward line: No. Can you honestly think he will be when he cant get a kick in the Saints one? Our forward line is developing, he'd struggle.

Is Miller a better option - Yes, i believe this too. Alot younger, quicker and a better option long term.

Is he bald - Yes, Spot on again...

5. Can he accumulate possestions.-- Yes..

Found this extremely laughable too....I whopping 8 Disposals a match career average and 2 marks

 

[Main Man]

Cons for Guerra:

Is he crap: Yes
Is he a dirty sniper who would crap himself when confronted: Yes
Does he excell in Finals: No
Is he consistant: No and Yes - He is consistantly crap more than he is consistantly good
Has he been delisted by 2 teams with very good forward lines: Yes
Will he be good in our forward line: No
Is Miller a better option - Yes
Is he bald - Yes

Lol- Great post

 

[sammm]

I'm not saying he didn't have a bad year at the saints but if you do search on the net you will find that St Kilda wanted to keep its 2 veterans on the list Thompson and Peckett effectivley leaving no room or money to keep Guerra.

and if you do a search on the net you will find that what you've said is based on what the hearld sun or the age stated not what the saints stated.

in fact i would seriously doubt that the saints would have kept guerra even if peckett, powell or thompson left.

 

[sammm]

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Pros for Guerra
1. Guerra has good field kicking.-- Yes.
2. Can Guerra kick a goal. -- Yes.
3. Is he hard at the ball/man.-- Yes
4. Can he mark.---- Yes
5. Can he accumulate possestions.-- Yes.
6. Does he have a footy brain.--- Yes.

There are not many Hawthorn players that would make the starting line up in the St Kilda side, especially when we have probably have one of the worst skilled lists in the competition.

now no. 5 was laughable accumulate possessions??? nup!!!!
8 possessions a game?

 

[GoHawks!!]

OK out of academic interest for all the NO to Guerra gang (I have no strong opinion either way), which, if any uncontracted players should the Hawks be looking at picking up at Pick 3 in the PSD??

McLaren is going to Carlton, Camporeale and Heffernan to Essendon, Woewodin to North (maybe), Brett Montgomery to the Hounds - anyone else apart from Guerra of interest to anyone????

 

[dipper86]

Its not a pathetic effort, its fact...

He is rubbish, i have watched him carefully for 2 years in a quality forward line, apart from a slight purple patch where he did look good, he has shown nothing. You would think youd be able to bob up with a couple of goals sitting at Gehrigs or Reiwoldts feet, but not Guerra.

I think it actually makes it alot harder for him, so much competition for spots, The twin towers marking everything, when he gets his chance he kicks goals, apart from his ordinary 2005, in 2004 he kicked 29 goals which is reasonable comapred to who was playing next to him Riewoldt, Gherig, Hammil, Milne, and alternating through the bench.

Is he a dirty sniper who would crap himself when confronted: Yes, all his bumps were cheap and id love to see his reaction if Byron Pickett or Luke Hodge went to confront him and have a push and shove session. Hed crap himself. This toughness talk is absolute tripe.

Thats funny i have yet to see him sh*t himself, your making assumptions once again, obviousley if he dishes it out he is going to get it back. In 4 years of footy i haven't seen him once take a backward step yet.

Does he excell in Finals: No - I think that was a pretty spot on assessment. We will play finals in a couple of years, id like to have players that can actually get a kick when they come.

The same could be said of many St Kilda players in both of those years. he is young so there is still improvment left in him whist also providing some depth for the team currently.

Is he consistant: No and Yes - He is consistantly crap more than he is consistantly good. Bit of smart ass in this comment, but he is very in consistant. Spot on again.

Like many players in the league, and many players currently at Hawthorn who dont have skills.

Has he been delisted by 2 teams with very good forward lines Yes, Spot on again.

Wrong again, he left Port Adelaide because he wanted to return home. Port Adelaide were reluctant to give him up.

Will he be good in our forward line: No. Can you honestly think he will be when he cant get a kick in the Saints one? Our forward line is developing, he'd struggle.

he had a bad 2005, so that means he is crap! There are plenty of players that have had bad years.
Guerra would also have more oppertunities, and also give us some greater depth and protection for the youngsters, he is also had a very good year in 2004 and his years at Port.

Is Miller a better option - Yes, i believe this too. Alot younger, quicker and a better option long term.

Its funny how Guerra had already done more at Port at the same age. he has better skills, stronger at the ball, he doesn't fumble and he has kicked more goals.

Is he bald - Yes, Spot on again...

Is Josh Thurgood ugly? Yes, whats your point! It doesn't affect him playing footy.

Found this extremely laughable too....I whopping 8 Disposals a match career average and 2 marks

That might be his average all round, but he has had a fair few games of 19 20, and 25 possies, not bad at all for a forward flanker which means he can accumilate possestions.

 

[mattyc2422]

Once again, it's not worth disputing this one. Clarkson would know him much better than us.

 

[Nightwolf]

That might be his average all round, but he has had a fair few games of 19 20, and 25 possies, not bad at all for a forward flanker which means he can accumilate possestions.

Would you like to point them out? I think youll find he has never reached the big 20 in disposals in any match in his career.

 

[dipper86]

and if you do a search on the net you will find that what you've said is based on what the hearld sun or the age stated not what the saints stated.

in fact i would seriously doubt that the saints would have kept guerra even if peckett, powell or thompson left.

what has the saints stated? I can only go on what has been said and the reason for him being delisted, they decided to keep their ageing players for one more year sacraficing youth.

 

[dipper86]

Would you like to point them out? I think youll find he has never reached the big 20 in disposals in any match in his career.

Pro stats has said he reached 20 possies this year, I might have exaggerated a touch on the 25 possie game.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=20192.

 

[Scribe]

I realise it's been two weeks since this thread was discussed but, according to The Age today, Guerra hasn't nominated for the draft and the expectation is we'll take him with our 1st PSD selection.

Clarkson coached him at both Centrals and Port, he has scope for improvement as a hardened goal kicking flanker, and he's been part of two pretty successful clubs over the past 5 years. Frankly a fringe St Kilda/Port player would most likely be a regular in our line-up this year.

I realise a lot of people will disagree, but I think it'll be worthwhile.

 

[Portia]

He would be a good get for the Hawks, as long as he's not hanging out with your 10 or so highly-drafted under 20s in his downtime.