Prediction GWS THE FUTURE

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Land of the Giants

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Sep 6, 2012
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It's a tricky one hey.
But it's not like you can say it's about 'education'. It's her religious values.

It's a bit of a bind. We want to engage with the communities in Western Sydney.
Well...this comes with that.
It will turn more people off than on.

The rest of society has come a long way on LGBTI issues. Her community doesn't want to.
 

gee whiz giant

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the Toffees, the Bays.
I'm a bit dumb around all these trade machinations...
So if we're also open to moving on Haynes & Whitfield, is that because of one bad year they both had 2022, or because the club can't afford to have any future bad years for either of them?
If we're that desperate for salary cap space, it means presumably that there's a lot of younger players who think they're not on enough money.
And once cap space is cleared, via the GWS revolving door policy, what's to say that the younger crop are not overpaid, and after a bad year, become like Haynes and Whitfield, too expensive to keep.
Is the clubs high rotation policy sustainable?
Has the list manager stuffed up, or is it different for GWS than other teams?
Is money the only thing that keeps players @ Homebush?
Taranto and Hopper seemed firmly engaged in friendship groups at the club, and seemed on-board with the culture.
What happened?
 

PaythePerryman

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Oct 13, 2020
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I'm a bit dumb around all these trade machinations...
So if we're also open to moving on Haynes & Whitfield, is that because of one bad year they both had 2022, or because the club can't afford to have any future bad years for either of them?
If we're that desperate for salary cap space, it means presumably that there's a lot of younger players who think they're not on enough money.
And once cap space is cleared, via the GWS revolving door policy, what's to say that the younger crop are not overpaid, and after a bad year, become like Haynes and Whitfield, too expensive to keep.
Is the clubs high rotation policy sustainable?
Has the list manager stuffed up, or is it different for GWS than other teams?
Is money the only thing that keeps players @ Homebush?
Taranto and Hopper seemed firmly engaged in friendship groups at the club, and seemed on-board with the culture.
What happened?
What happened is we had a sustained period of success where we also traded out high quality players in exchange for high draft picks...
I guess if you look at it a different way, our development and drafting has been elite. We just are a small club with small crowds in a non-afl Heartland.
I think we just need to transition. I don't think Hopper/Taranto/Haynes want to leave...(credit to the culture) but neither did Shiel/Steele.
I think a lot gets talked about with nuffies saying send us to Tasmania after a couple of tough covid affected years.

Long term...we are trying to create a more sustainable list balance while also making ourselves more competitive.

Is money the only thing keeping players in Homebush?
Well...they don't live in Homebush. They live in Sydney. Inner West, eastern beaches, city. It's not that far.
 

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Giant Gutsache

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It has been the GWS way in recent years to make it harder for the kids to get in and then stay in the team. It has been openly spoken about at the club and demonstrated with the revolving door treatment of Ash and Green in their first couple of years when they were contributing as much or more than others who kept their spots. It frustrated Caldwell. It’s a strange approach for a club caught in a cycle of bringing in top talent every year.

That said, I‘d prefer the new coaching team pick the side each week in 2023 with a view to developing a premiership challenge in future years. That may mean Aleer plays ahead of Davis/Haynes, Fahey ahead of Kennedy and maybe a draftee ahead of Ward. I expect they’ll have been given a couple of years to drill down a game plan and sort out the list. Should be a fun watch.
 

sydney_gws

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Backwards.
There is an article in the age about the megadeal.
We had agreed to trade 3,19 for 1 originally.
North rated at number 1 Sheazel, Wardlaw, Tsatis about the same.
I don't therefore understand why we needed pick 1.
It seems like our trading is amateur hour stuff.
 

Danny88

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Mar 21, 2014
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Backwards.
There is an article in the age about the megadeal.
We had agreed to trade 3,19 for 1 originally.
North rated at number 1 Sheazel, Wardlaw, Tsatis about the same.
I don't therefore understand why we needed pick 1.
It seems like our trading is amateur hour stuff.
From what I have read wardlaw Tsitas and sheezel were all strongly suggesting they would go home

If that’s the case we couldn’t risk missing cadman.
 

sydney_gws

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We have to stand up to that mentality, the rot appears to have set in with the Vic Metro kids.
 

captainMyCaptain

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Backwards.
There is an article in the age about the megadeal.
We had agreed to trade 3,19 for 1 originally.
North rated at number 1 Sheazel, Wardlaw, Tsatis about the same.
I don't therefore understand why we needed pick 1.
It seems like our trading is amateur hour stuff.

Assuming that is Norths order there is no guarantee that come draft night that will still be the case especially with a club that has a drafting team that is still in a bit of flux.
 

Andre the Giant

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The trouble is the AFL is effectively run by the AFL Commission and the AFL Commission is heavily influenced by the big clubs and powerbrokers like Eddie Maguire.

It is not in the best interests of the big clubs to change the system. They know they have a sport that is unique and only popular in Australia, and where there is no threat to their talent leaving or going elsewhere.

In fact, if the AFL and the clubs wanted to get fair dinkum they could absolutely squash the Players Association. What would the PPA do? Cause a strike? Yeah see how that went for baseball.

Yet in spite of knowing the AFL PPA is effectively a flaccid penis, they bow to them routinely and never disrupt their wishes.

If the AFL wanted to mandate 3 or even 4 year contracts for draftees they could do it with ease, they just choose not to because the current system is very convenient for the bigger clubs.

There is no rational reason why the sport would not seek to make tenure longer and assist the smaller minnow clubs combat the threats they face to retain draftable talent.

The AFL could address this, but it’s just too inconvenient for it’s self-serving powerbrokers to bother.
 

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Giant Pete

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Problem is, it's just one bit of help, it's not a complete solution.

But VFL House - if they actually adopt it - will see it as the complete solution, and we'll be back to the "it's your fault" finger pointing when it doesn't resolve the issues.
Hopefully it becomes one of several ideas to help clubs like us.
At least it’s recognition that there actually is a problem.
 

Section226

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The power behind the VFL actually like the idea of GC & GWS being forever feeder clubs for the clubs that really matter down south!

It's probably hit me this post-season more than any other time, but I am questioning whether continuing to support the AFL through the Giants.

To put it bluntly, the competition is rigged.

Add to that all the gambling advertising, the crap effort that Ch7 and especially Fox Footy put into broadcasting.....

The enjoyment as a supporter is way down at the moment.
 

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