Hampson

[Big Red is back]

People have taken Ratts's statement out of context. He is a ruckman playing forward. The intention was that he would work in tandem with Waite or Rowe or maybe even Mitchell.

As a ruckman playing forward he's been very good so far (Personally he should stay deep forward and not get up the ground).

The club never expected him to be our main forward focus and he shouldn't be assessed as that.

I assess him as a top 20 draft pick at 24 years of age, who has amazing physcial attributes and has had a huge amount of time invested into him.

 

[Blue since 72]

I assess him as a top 20 draft pick at 24 years of age, who has amazing physcial attributes and has had a huge amount of time invested into him.

You also need to assess him as an absolute speculative pick considering his background coming into that draft.

The merits of using a pick that high on someone like Hampson is another discussion entirely but I will say that at that time athletes and the urge to look at other codes for potential players was the in thing so he probably looked quite attractive.

Add to that the well worn cliche that big men don't generally peak until around Hampsons age and we may very well of not seen the best of him yet.

He certainly made inroads last year and to date is playing better overall this year.

 

[Big Red is back]

You also need to assess him as an absolute speculative pick considering his background coming into that draft.

The merits of using a pick that high on someone like Hampson is another discussion entirely but I will say that at that time athletes and the urge to look at other codes for potential players was the in thing so he probably looked quite attractive.

Add to that the well worn cliche that big men don't generally peak until around Hampsons age and we may very well of not seen the best of him yet.

He certainly made inroads last year and to date is playing better overall this year.

Yes and no... I assume we pick the best available with top 20 picks... speculation is for later in the draft one would pray.

In his defense playing as a fwd in our current game style and structure isn't easy... just ask walker, garlett and co

 

[Alice]

Expectations too high!!! Have a think about where Adelaide would be sitting with only Tippett and Callanan/Porplezia forward. Oh..that's right...that was them last year. Hampson's job is to create a difficult match-up, continue to develop, create a contest and put pressure on in the F50. Let's have a honest look - Walker is playing selfish, often thoughtless footy and with the spotlight on is struggling; Jeffy's workrate is poor and his finishing just as bad; Waite missing; Betts doing well but does go missing for periods; Kruezer same as Hammer. Henderson - who has played plenty in the F50 struggled forward on Fri as well. Ratts mantra has been about being BOLD yet first and foremost we have to win the 50/50's and put enormous pressure on the opposition. THEN when we spread, we need to hit targets and put the ball to advantage. We are NOT DOING THIS!!!
The ball is regularly put on someone's head, to the incorrect side, to the boundary, too short (even when the kicker had time) FMD it's s'posed to be the best standard.

 

[Blue since 72]

Yes and no... I assume we pick the best available with top 20 picks... speculation is for later in the draft one would pray.

In his defense playing as a fwd in our current game style and structure isn't easy... just ask walker, garlett and co

Can't comment on the recruiting mandate but just on the 2nd point, do agree the forward line as a whole is not functioning.

Garlett needs confidence and for starters he should stop doing those dinky little grubbers for goal on the run and actually kick the ball properly and walker is being selfish and just blazing away far too often when there are options in the middle. It smacks of desperation and a sense of having to do it all himself.

 

[Peete]

We are short of one big bodied match winner - Hampson hasn't shown he is anywhere near becoming a big bodied - clutch kick and get of Goal - marking target. He is clumsy and awkward and hasnt learned to use his size to block and hurt opposition. He needs some mean and nasty pills - otherwise he is just another tall boof - exept with a very pretty girlfriend. Jacob dint look any better than Hampson last year.

This year? He is playing amongst a really fired up midfield and enjoying a game style probably more suited to him - or just happy being back home and loved. Who knows - players change.

 

[Peete]

Can't comment on the recruiting mandate but just on the 2nd point, do agree the forward line as a whole is not functioning.

Garlett needs confidence and for starters he should stop doing those dinky little grubbers for goal on the run and actually kick the ball properly and walker is being selfish and just blazing away far too often when there are options in the middle. It smacks of desperation and a sense of having to do it all himself.

Which I am sure is exactly what he does feel. Walker is giving it 100% every gsame as is Eddie. Garlett is not getting the bounce of the ball to go his way. They all need a tall who can actually take a mark or create a contest.

 

[Blue since 72]

Which I am sure is exactly what he does feel. Walker is giving it 100% every gsame as is Eddie. Garlett is not getting the bounce of the ball to go his way. They all need a tall who can actually take a mark or create a contest.

We're certainly short one decent tall but Walker needs to go back to playing like he did last year, taking marks and converting set shots.

 

[Peete]

We're certainly short one decent tall but Walker needs to go back to playing like he did last year, taking marks and converting set shots.

Walker is covering a lot of ground and midfield work - he is doing job of two - just like a few others have to. If Yarran/Jeff were a yer or two older they wouldnt have slumped as much as they have this year- experience. Ellard/Curnow/Joseph are babies. We have a lot of upside - just one tall up front and some harder bodies developing over the next year or two.

 

[Blue since 72]

Walker is covering a lot of ground and midfield work - he is doing job of two - just like a few others have to. If Yarran/Jeff were a yer or two older they wouldnt have slumped as much as they have this year- experience. Ellard/Curnow/Joseph are babies. We have a lot of upside - just one tall up front and some harder bodies developing over the next year or two.

My last post on Walker as this is the Hampson thread but last year we were without Waite for ages and Walker was a main focal point. He needs to be that focal point again. Hammer can stay deep and Walker can lead up mark and take the odd specky.

Carrots imminent return should allow him to be played forward

 

[Guff]

Oh dear, I remember in the Hampson draft we were tossing up Tippett,Runouff and Hampson and we took the athletic one. Shame we didn't take the one with good hands!!!

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Oh dear, I remember in the Hampson draft we were tossing up Tippett,Runouff and Hampson and we took the athletic one. Shame we didn't take the one with good hands!!!

Oh... you mean the one who cant kick for goal and is going to head back to Qld shortly anyway!

 

[Big Sim]

Which I am sure is exactly what he does feel. Walker is giving it 100% every gsame as is Eddie. Garlett is not getting the bounce of the ball to go his way. They all need a tall who can actually take a mark or create a contest.

Well said. Walker is trying too hard if anything: trying to do what he did last year with great goals from outside 50 and running goals and snaps from difficult angles. He's trying to get his form back and he's trying to inspire a team that is in dire need of inspiration. He works as hard if not harder than anyone on the ground and this latest round of bagging him as selfish is absolute crap.

This board just has to have its whipping boys. JR, Walker, Brock, Emu, Hammer all take their lashes in an endless cycle of vilification, Jeffy has been bent over recently and now Gibbs has been tied to the post and laid into deplorably.

Give it a frigging rest.

 

[Claypigeon]

Well said. Walker is trying too hard if anything: trying to do what he did last year with great goals from outside 50 and running goals and snaps from difficult angles. He's trying to get his form back and he's trying to inspire a team that is in dire need of inspiration. He works as hard if not harder than anyone on the ground and this latest round of bagging him as selfish is absolute crap.

This board just has to have its whipping boys. JR, Walker, Brock, Emu, Hammer all take their lashes in an endless cycle of vilification, Jeffy has been bent over recently and now Gibbs has been tied to the post and laid into deplorably.

Give it a frigging rest.

The only issue I had with Walker is he is not working for his team mates (blocking, shepherding, etc). .. Think he is concentrating on getting his own form back and he is far from the only one but he is making so many contests that it is more noticeable. ..

 

[scomac]

Hampson has been quiet up forward for two weeks, but still won the hitouts and shoved it down our midfielders' throat with Warnock subbed out.

I guess Hampson should have smashed a gun in Scarlett who still has the pace to pressure Betts in that chase on the wing.

Matthews praised Hampson for attacking the ball hard and dragging down that contested mark in the middle of the ground.

Sakc Hammer for dropping a mark.

This is where i get lost,a mark is a something an AFL footballer should be able to do,seriously i would expect Hampson who has been at this level for 3 years to have at least improved, otherwise he is clogging the list.

 

[Omega Blue]

he's a better ruckmen we all agree... can he use his rucking ability in the forward line. for example never attempt to mark the ball, just palm every high ball down to a crumber.
Works to our strengths and goes to minimising his weaknesses.

 

[agro]

How many times does it have to be mentioned that Jacobs made the decision?

He asked for a trade so he could go home to Adelaide.

It really isn't hard to comprehend, yet somehow some people seem to struggle with it.

We didn't kick him out of the club, and our preference would have been to keep him. He didn't want to stay.

The problem was we got reamed with the deal by Adelaide, considering what Adelaide gave Richmond for a spud like Tambling we should have got much better for Jacobs.

 

[Jeremias]

The problem was we got reamed with the deal by Adelaide, considering what Adelaide gave Richmond for a spud like Tambling we should have got much better for Jacobs.

We got picks 33 and 67 from Adelaide for Jacobs.

We then moved that pick 33, along with pick 53, to Geelong for Laidler and pick 41.

Essentially, we got Laidler, Mitchell and McInnes for Jacobs.

Jacobs is a gun but let's not go so far as to say we got reamed. Laidler is a fantastic young footballer who has an enormous future, and let's not write off Mitchell or McInnes just yet. Injuries permitting, Mitchell will be a player, and whilst there's no doubt he's stagnated, McInnes is still a player I see a future for.

It would have been nice to get more considering what Richmond got for Tambling, but that didn't happen and the way it all panned out, things could have been much worse for us.

 

[TOPBLUE_25]

I think Hampson is a good Ruck but he is an average forward. We have 3 ruckmen on the list at the moment and I think one should be traded and I think that has to be Hampson.
St Kilda, GC, Syd could all be options.

 

[Coona Blues]

I think Hampson is a good Ruck but he is an average forward. We have 3 ruckmen on the list at the moment and I think one should be traded and I think that has to be Hampson.
St Kilda, GC, Syd could all be options.

That would be a "top blue", Kreuzer reported to be nursing knee injury, performance suggests same. Warnock has missed as many as he has played since being recruited for big bucks as a ready made. Hammer missed a few weeks with a knee, but is by far the soundest prospect going forward. His tap work is better than Kreuzers, and given a fair go as no 1 tap ruckman, I believe compares with Warnock (at worst very close). There is a blind belief that Kreuze, talented big kid, big heart and a nice guy is the 10 year rucking Messiah, this is not the case.
All 3 are required, but if we were to trade, it would logically be fragile Warnock who is basically at the peak of his powers, further improvement not expected. Hammer is the "banker"

 

[BROWN20]

That would be a "top blue", Kreuzer reported to be nursing knee injury, performance suggests same. Warnock has missed as many as he has played since being recruited for big bucks as a ready made. Hammer missed a few weeks with a knee, but is by far the soundest prospect going forward. His tap work is better than Kreuzers, and given a fair go as no 1 tap ruckman, I believe compares with Warnock (at worst very close). There is a blind belief that Kreuze, talented big kid, big heart and a nice guy is the 10 year rucking Messiah, this is not the case.
All 3 are required, but if we were to trade, it would logically be fragile Warnock who is basically at the peak of his powers, further improvement not expected. Hammer is the "banker"

The question is are we getting valve for money by having all 3, the problem is the lack of flexibility in all 3 to EFFECTIVELY play other roles, both Hampson/Kruezer have been tried up forward with little success, in a ideal world it would be nice to have all three, but we have two glaring weaknesses in our list, another quality mid particuarly with Judd entering the latter phrase of his career and the need for a geninue good tall forward, with Waite no longer being sound enough to rely upon.

 

[TOPBLUE_25]

That would be a "top blue", Kreuzer reported to be nursing knee injury, performance suggests same. Warnock has missed as many as he has played since being recruited for big bucks as a ready made. Hammer missed a few weeks with a knee, but is by far the soundest prospect going forward. His tap work is better than Kreuzers, and given a fair go as no 1 tap ruckman, I believe compares with Warnock (at worst very close). There is a blind belief that Kreuze, talented big kid, big heart and a nice guy is the 10 year rucking Messiah, this is not the case.
All 3 are required, but if we were to trade, it would logically be fragile Warnock who is basically at the peak of his powers, further improvement not expected. Hammer is the "banker"

IF we did trade Hampson we would have to draft or rookie another ruck as back up no doubt.

I'd trade Hampson because he has value, high pick has talent, trade him to a team that needs a ruck for a good pick or player. If we dont get the right offer keep him but he has good value.

 

[Omega Blue]

IF we did trade Hampson we would have to draft or rookie another ruck as back up no doubt.

I'd trade Hampson because he has value, high pick has talent, trade him to a team that needs a ruck for a good pick or player. If we dont get the right offer keep him but he has good value.

only issue i have with trading is not only do you have to find a mutual club that said player wishes to go to we also have to get equal compensation, trading a player because the value is high is risky.
its much easier to target a player than to off load a player.

 

[TOPBLUE_25]

only issue i have with trading is not only do you have to find a mutual club that said player wishes to go to we also have to get equal compensation, trading a player because the value is high is risky.
its much easier to target a player than to off load a player.

Yeah your right, that is the hard part.

 

[Peete]

Hampson/Kreuzer /Warnock are all required players - leave the rucks alone thanks - at least we are competitive in this area. Every team that has gone down the "we dont need more than one ruckman" route - has regretted it.