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The AFC in both the short and long term has some tough decisons to make in the next few weeks and months.

The next two weeks we have critical 8 pointer games against Geelong and Sydney. We need to win both of these games and one at the very least to keep out top two spot. We do not want to be going over to the west for the finals. Yet we have a few players who obviously need a rest and even surgery- Mcleod and Roo for example.

We do not want to have a situation where Roo and Macca are under performing in the finals because of injury. Should we therfore rest them now to make sure they are chery ripe for the finals.

The success of any team is a balance between wise experience and the spontainety and exhuberance of youth. I do not think we should at any time get rid of all of the younger players in our side - players such as VB, Knighter, Vince, Maric. You need to get the balance right and often in finals a few younger players get under the guard and if surrounded by wise older heads can caause havoc, by getting under the radar - a young Kane Johnson, Andrew Mcleod, Simon Goodwin and Tyson Edwards did this in 1997.

I therefore hope the Match Day Committee will not simply bring in Torney, Clarke etc at the expense of some of the younger guys who bring some other intangible qualities to the side.

The even bigger task for the AFC will be the mangment of the list over the next 6 months. How would you like to decide now who should get dropped off our roster. I like many others on the BF board and I bet the AFC as well had Massie, Stevens and Bode as potential delistings. One would think that would not be the case RIGHT NOW. But then who do you drop? Hinge - maybe in a 2 year contract anyway. Jericho - will that come back to bite us in the bum a la Stevens and Bock. It is so difficult to determine who should go. Try and pick out 4-6 obvious options.

Yet this is regarded as the strongest draft for years. If we do not go into the draft do we cause ourselves long term harm for the next 5-10 years after.
This happened in the Ayres years and led to a significant stagnation of our list. Witness the benefits of Knights, Vince, Maric, Douglas, Meeson, VB, etc coming onto our list over the last two years to the current strength of our playing list.

And dont forget our age structure. Our elite players are all experienced older hands. They will retire in two, three or four years time. Although our younger players are wonderful team members, we need to make sure we get some more elite players into our side. You can often only do this through trading if you do not have access to high draft picks. It looks as though in 2006 high draft picks, because of our position will not be available. But we know that Craigy has an abhorence for trading and it can undermine the unity of the team if done poorly.

And all of this at a time when the rumour about the Big Pav continue to gain some momentum about wanting to come back to SA and the Crows. What do we do here?

And then of course the rucking dilemma. It appears we have 2 ten year ruckmen potentially on our books in the case of Maric and the Meese. Do we keep them both for the longer term or run the risk of losing Meese in the trading period, or the pre-season draft for no compensation. What do we do with Huddo - very few ruckmen come back as good as before -and it often takes two years to do this - by this time he will be 28 or 29. Do we trade Meese to get the high draft pick we need for a tall CHF or KPP or as an attempt to get enough picks to get a Pav. What do we do with Clarkey? And then again Jonno Griiffin??

How would you like this job in the next few months? I would like other people's thoughts here!!!!:eek: :confused:
 
All your points are valid Bigman...we do however have no choice as to whether we participate in the draft...we are required to delist 3 players.

Somehow I think we might TRY and use the rookie list to maintain some players...maybe delist and rookie if were lucky to pick them up again.

WE must play Meesen...he'll be a our premier ruckman...don't be fooled that he's not got a game b4 maric...he's good!!!!

Fact is the reason Adelaide is going so well is:
1. Coach - players play for him
2. Team Structure
3. VERY WELL REHEARSED gameplans - everyone knows their role and how to structure up - no individuals

This means most of our listed players can come in and play their roles confidently...no injuries to our experienced players allows the backbone players confidence.
It also means player we thought of as delistable look good....but their personal footy defficiencies haven't disappeared and it is this we must judge.

It's way too early to make delisting calls but it will be tough for the AFC.

I hope that Knights gets some finals...Van Berlo I doubt we'll see him again this year.

Another 2-3 games for Maric will see him with 6 games for the season...a pretty good first up year.
 

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jo172 said:
Yes but you can only be a rookie for 2 years. So Griffen and Hinge could be re-rookied.
I'm pretty sure a player can be on the rookie list for as long as he meets the age eligibility requirements.

What you're thinking of is a player who spends two consecutive years on the rookie list. After two years, that player has to be promoted or sent back into the draft pool. But once in the draft pool he can be rookie drafted again. (So long as he's not picked up in the national draft, obviously.)

That's what happened to West Coast's Aaron Edwards - picked up in rookie drafts 2002 and 2004.

I don't see why a player who's gone from the rookie list to the main list can't be delisted and rookie drafted again. It would be strange if they couldn't
 
DaveW said:
I'm pretty sure a player can be on the rookie list for as long as he meets the age eligibility requirements.

What you're thinking of is a player who spends two consecutive years on the rookie list. After two years, that player has to be promoted or sent back into the draft pool. But once in the draft pool he can be rookie drafted again. (So long as he's not picked up in the national draft, obviously.)

That's what happened to West Coast's Aaron Edwards - picked up in rookie drafts 2002 and 2004.

I don't see why a player who's gone from the rookie list to the main list can't be delisted and rookie drafted again. It would be strange if they couldn't
You are right :thumbsu:

A player has to be 18-23 to be eligable for the rookie list and he can stay on the rookie list for 2 consecutive years. He can then be re-rookied again but he would have to go into the draft pool
 
DELIST: Clarke, Griffin, Hinge, Skipworth.

I'm being generous to Jericho, but I think it is perhaps worth one more year for him, instead of a rookie upgrade or late pick. Wouldn't be distraught if he left, tho'.
 
Wayne's-World said:
All your points are valid Bigman...we do however have no choice as to whether we participate in the draft...we are required to delist 3 players.

Somehow I think we might TRY and use the rookie list to maintain some players...maybe delist and rookie if were lucky to pick them up again.

WE must play Meesen...he'll be a our premier ruckman...don't be fooled that he's not got a game b4 maric...he's good!!!!

Fact is the reason Adelaide is going so well is:
1. Coach - players play for him
2. Team Structure
3. VERY WELL REHEARSED gameplans - everyone knows their role and how to structure up - no individuals

This means most of our listed players can come in and play their roles confidently...no injuries to our experienced players allows the backbone players confidence.
It also means player we thought of as delistable look good....but their personal footy defficiencies haven't disappeared and it is this we must judge.

It's way too early to make delisting calls but it will be tough for the AFC.

I hope that Knights gets some finals...Van Berlo I doubt we'll see him again this year.

Another 2-3 games for Maric will see him with 6 games for the season...a pretty good first up year.

The finals will be the critical part of this whole jigsaw. Over the last 5-6 years our finals record has been scheissen hausen. We have had a number of people who have performed poorly and made poor decisions on the big stage.

These are the people who may be given the raspberry and sars at seasons end. WE CANNOT WASTE OUR TALENT AGAIN THIS YEAR AS OUR WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY IS CLOSING.

And as one of my favourite ever coaches "David Parkin" said you must change your list by 10-20% each year because some people will retire, some people will lose their desire because they have made it to the top, and others will never play that well again.
 
I would hope to see Van Berlo back fit for the finals as i see him (particularly his intense tackling) as an integral part of our side

End of Year - this will be so difficult given the form of those we had as probable/possible delistings at the start of the year:

- minimum 3 draft picks required yet this is supposed to be a top draft although how deep it goes is a query and possible trades will complicate the issue

- perhaps say: (1) Clarke (retire)
(2) McLeod to Veterans List (gives us a pick in main list but then only 3 rookie spots available)
(3) ?????

I would hope we keep Meesen & Maric and i still think Meesen will be the better player
 
bigman said:
And all of this at a time when the rumour about the Big Pav continue to gain some momentum about wanting to come back to SA and the Crows. What do we do here?

Whats this all about? Whats the latest:confused:
 

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PerthCrow said:
Very

I cant understand how you have Jericho over Skipworth.

coz if Jericho got it 'right' he could be a bona-fide SAC4 Asset

skipps has got it right but is still lingering around the long term liability class :confused:
 
The Crows Truth said:
coz if Jericho got it 'right' he could be a bona-fide SAC4 Asset

skipps has got it right but is still lingering around the long term liability class :confused:

By no means am I Jericho fan but I do think he has more string to hie bow than the big hearted but ability limited Skippy. Skippy's too slow/not tough enough for the midfield and there is at least 3 better small forward options ( Vince, Bode, Porp etc. So where does that leave Skipp- as the teary eyed Gareth would say, "on the scrap heap".
 
SpringChoke said:
By no means am I Jericho fan but I do think he has more string to hie bow than the big hearted but ability limited Skippy. Skippy's too slow/not tough enough for the midfield and there is at least 3 better small forward options ( Vince, Bode, Porp etc.

agree :thumbsu: WW's was right again :eek:
 
macca23 said:
No no no!!

You mean WW was right for once!! ;) :p

well we gotta give him brownies for skipps and reilly really

but hes also gone overdrawn a few times also - say no more :D
 

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johnnypanther said:
I would hope to see Van Berlo back fit for the finals as i see him (particularly his intense tackling) as an integral part of our side
With a busted collarbone I hope he takes it easy till summer

Certainly play as hard as possible but take care when tackling
 
SpringChoke said:
By no means am I Jericho fan but I do think he has more string to hie bow than the big hearted but ability limited Skippy. Skippy's too slow/not tough enough for the midfield

if only there was a way to fuse skippy and Jericho.

jericho + Skippy's heart = ????
 
Sanguinarius said:
if only there was a way to fuse skippy and Jericho.

jericho + Skippy's heart = ????
Scipio - A famous Roman Consular General who defeated Hannibal at Carthage.
 
Just thought I'd dredge this one up again, as it is currently topical on TV.

I heard that Bickley was going to have a look at potential delistees tonight, so Ch 9 news it was tonight.

Basically Bickley's message was that he thinks that because Adelaide have its stongest list ever, that it will only delist the compulsory 3 players.

The names he made no bones about were Clarke(retired) and Jericho, but also raised the possibility of Gibson, because he just can't get on the track consistently.

I think that Clarke and Jericho are certainties, but Gibson is very young in footy terms and a big boy to boot.

Thoughts on that one anybody??

He also went on to say that the possibility of a Meesen wanting to go home could affect who stays and who goes.

After that they showed a clip of Craig talking on this topic, and he said that it would be very difficult, but interestingly he went on to say that if a player feels that he won't be getting opportunity with the Adelaide Crows then we owe it to them to help them go elsewhere to play - a polite way of saying that we will trade IMO.

After seeing Craig talking tonight I think we will end up using 4 draft picks at year end and will get to that number via a trade or two.

If anybody else saw this what were their thoughts?? Did they see it the same way??
 

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