Hardie pays out - agree completely

[sabre_ac]

If J Carr wants out let him go, take what we can and move on. The game has moved on sadly, the days of him kicking 2-3 goals while shutting down the games elite midfielders are over.

If the rumours about Warnock's training dedication are true, he can go as well. For to long we have tolerated undisciplined underachievers, he may very well go on to become an absolute star. But chalk that down to a lesson learn't about player development and another hangover from the Conolly era.

Murphy should be traded at all costs, it'll be another Polak type situation (We should have traded him two years ago) but its better than delisting him.

Mundy should be kept, the kid offers us something and is continually forced to play out of position or expected to be a different player to he actually is.

Farmer and McManus have been excellent servants of our club but I believe their time has come.

Bell is still contributing and if wants to play another season let him go.

Black gives away more free kicks than possession these days, his days surely must be numbered as well.

Clean the list out, load up on draft picks in this so called superdarft. Because we all know we certainly arn't going anywhere and the next few drafts will be very thin considering the new clubs entering the competition.

 

[Scribble Monkey]

Top work Ralph, could I add...?

BROWNLOW medallist Brad Hardie is an undisciplined, reckless rabblerouser who should be sacked, said his colleagues and chief executive.
Hardie, who hails from Fremantle, attempted a withering critique of the underachieving Dockers, who face Brisbane at the Gabba on Sunday, but just repeated everything Robert Walls has ever said about Fremantle.
"Brad just has to take stock," said a 6PR executive on Wednesday. "He needs a shake-up. Brad should go now. He has no real direction. Were lacking all confidence in him at the moment."
Hardie has continuallysuffered from poor planning.
"He's have been telling the world for the last five years that Fremantle should have a group of players who will take them to a premiership.
Clearly that is not so."
"Brad's developed so many nervous tics under former coach Chris Connolly that it could take Harvey 12 months to panel-beat him into shape, mentally and physically," he said.
Describing Hardie as undisciplined, reckless and lacking in skill, Colleagues added: "None of these things have been worked on to be eradicated. When he gets under severe pressure he falls back into his old ways."
Hardie has a gigantic job ahead of him, sid the unnamed exec. "We can't get rid of Barra or Boris because they're in with the WCE. The tail has wagged the dog for far too long. Brad's a Fremantle boy, born and raised. He should feel strongly about them. But Brad has just been doing it wrong for 15 years."
"People always have a crack at us and I get a bit uppity about it," Hardie said. "In our first year we had 13 listeners, in our second the same 13, but their pets tuned in as well, in our third year a couple died of boredom," he said.

 

[Belnakor]

J.Carr's name always seems to crop when people talk about the "tail wagging the dog".

 

[anti.]

i agree to an extent, you cant sack allll the senior players. but a cleanout is needed for sure.

btw, rip i thought my comment was very true. that was a harsh infraction.

 

[Memories]

Clean the list out, load up on draft picks in this so called superdarft. Because we all know we certainly arn't going anywhere and the next few drafts will be very thin considering the new clubs entering the competition.

Considering we need to get rid of Webster, Browne, Macmanus, M Carr, Bell (wasn't the only reason he played this year because we might be good?) as definite losses, that 5. Then you have Warnock, Black, Farmer, J Carr, Murphy that you want to get rid of too? That's 10 players. The thing is, if we got rid of those 10 players all of them minus Bell haven't done much, if anything, for us this year anyhow... how much worse off could we be with 10 rookies in those spots? That is the scary thing...... we would be at worse in the same position we are now. So you have a good basis to call for the sacking of those players really... but yeah.... big shift isn't it.

 

[sabre_ac]

I agree with you. Neesham was a good tactical coach, but his attitude to competitiveness was terrible. It was almost as if he was more interested in the means than the end.

Much of the modern game Neesham was one of the pioneers for, the only problem was his refusal to draft interstate and his arogant belief that his game plan would be enough without the cattle.

Conolly too was an excemptional tactician, the relian on interchange these days has allot to do with what he implemented at freo. But again he had a fatal flaw which which was an inability to develop players.

 

[MadMac]

As much as I enjoy listening to his footy coverage with Smokey he's ____ed up now with this article. I wonder if anyone is going to ring up 6PR tonight and ask him to explain what he said.

Has he ever said that he's dirty because he wasn't consulted when FFC was built? Just asking, I'm interested to know.

 

[Scribble Monkey]

"how much worse off could we be with 10 rookies in those spots? That is the scary thing...... we would be at worse in the same position we are now."

Take that 10 out and, true, we'd still be losing.

By 100+ points. Every week.

 

[sabre_ac]

Considering we need to get rid of Webster, Browne, Macmanus, M Carr, Bell (wasn't the only reason he played this year because we might be good?) as definite losses, that 5. Then you have Warnock, Black, Farmer, J Carr, Murphy that you want to get rid of too? That's 10 players. The thing is, if we got rid of those 10 players all of them minus Bell haven't done much, if anything, for us this year anyhow... how much worse off could we be with 10 rookies in those spots? That is the scary thing...... we would be at worse in the same position we are now. So you have a good basis to call for the sacking of those players really... but yeah.... big shift isn't it.

It is a massive shift, I dare say we hang onto Browne for depth.

But Farmer and McManus are at the end of their career and Murphy simply has to be traded as he is being wasted.

If the rumours surrounding Warnock and J Carr are true our hand may be forced.

While Black is currently the biggest liability in our team.

Best case senario hang onto Warnock and J Carr, keep Black/Brown for depth and delist/trade the rest.

 

[MadMac]

Much of the modern game Neesham was one of the pioneers for, the only problem was his refusal to draft interstate and his arogant belief that his game plan would be enough without the cattle.

Conolly too was an excemptional tactician, the relian on interchange these days has allot to do with what he implemented at freo. But again he had a fatal flaw which which was an inability to develop players.

CC used to get blasted in the media for his rotation policy yet these days it's a norm. It appears that both of them were a bit ahead of time.

 

[Clay Davis]

Not only is it the norm, it is lauded.

The media in Perth are ____ing ******s and the club would do best to ignore them.

 

[Dock_king]

Dagg Dotes on Hardie -- Press Release. 11.00 am WST.

Longtime Dockers supporter, Dr Ralph Dagg today suggested Brad Hardie should be nominated for the 2008 Walkley Award for sports journalism. Dr Dagg said "Brad's insightful analysis of the Fremantle Dockers and their problems raises the bar for pointing out the bleeding obvious to a level never seen the in the whole ... universe."

In a recent article Hardie suggested that the Dockers had a poor list who had underachieved and that it may take mark Harvey 12 months to iron out the problems. Dr Dagg said that Hardie bringing this to a head was a godsend to Dockers supporters because at least 35,000 of us were not able to figure this out for themselves. Hardie had pointed out the Dockers were losing games and were at the bottom of the ladder and that there were problems with what had been done in the past. Dr Dagg said this was a revelation to Docker supprters and we should be grateful that Hardie was able to get to the heart of the matter.

"Where we would we be without Brad. We know that Robert Walls and Mike Sheahan have written exactly the same things over the last few weeks. But as a former Brisbane Bear, sacked part time Western Bulldog's coach and someone who played in Freo 30 years ago, Brad brings the authority and gravitas to get real change happening in the club." Dr Dagg said.

Despite recent suggestions by Mark Harvey that his mentor Sheedy had always said it was important to keep a nucleus of experience at a club, Dr Dagg said it was time for all Freo fans to realise that Brad Hardie was the future of the Dockers and embrace his philosophy of sacking 33% of the list based on age alone.

"Brad may not have any actual coaching experience at AFL level, and certainly has no actual experience of running anything more complicated than a Friday night chicken raffle at the Coogee Surf Club. But, he is Freo through and through because he lived here 25 years ago. I feel confident he is the only one who really understands Freo's problems and can help us through to a premiership. Brad must be recognised for his outstanding contribution and I think a Walkley award would at least go some of the way."

Hahahahaha

I second that nomination!

 

[SupersonicDocker]

I agree Sabre we should hang onto Browne... Maybe the club could send him to germany like coughlan and get that special treatment. Everytime browne plays for claremont he racks up a ton of ball... the fact is he is quite pacy and a solid unit.

I think we need to take a hit and clean quite a few out...

As far as I'm concerned these are the only players we need to move forward, all barring injury, unforeseeable problems

Headland (Educational purposes for youngsters learning to attack)
Farmer (Same as above, if we draft a yarran or ballantyne who better as a mentor)
Grover
Mcpharlin
Mundy
Hayden
Dodd
Drum
Hinkley
Mayne
Palmer
Hasleby
Pavlich
Tarrant
Crowley
Warnock (if we can get him to stay, mental weakness is easier to fix than no skill ala seaby haha)
Sandilands
Michael Johnson
Solomon
Foster
Bradley
Browne
Ibbotson
O'Brien

Thats my opinion but i couldn't see how we couldn't make up for the absentees in the next couple of years, by trading, drafting etc.

 

[anti.]

supersonic you know well that seaby is far greater than most other backup rucks.

 

[SupersonicDocker]

By the way i obviously left off guys like Smith, Mourish etc. because they haven't played a game yet etc so only the club really knows what they can offer. The list is based on guys who get a regualar game or have played in the past.

 

[SupersonicDocker]

supersonic you know well that seaby is far greater than most other backup rucks.

Why isn't he playing then...

I honestly think seaby has benefited from an amazing support cast 05/06/07... this year when the side has struggled his true colours have shown. He is handy but i would say far from great. His skills at best are nothing special at all...

But forgive me for a cheap shot

 

[anti.]

yeah, he'll be back in this week i'd have thought.

he'll show ya!! he'll show all of yas!!

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Much of the modern game Neesham was one of the pioneers for, the only problem was his refusal to draft interstate and his arogant belief that his game plan would be enough without the cattle.

Conolly too was an excemptional tactician, the relian on interchange these days has allot to do with what he implemented at freo. But again he had a fatal flaw which which was an inability to develop players.

As we say in IT, pioneers often end up with arrows in their back.

That aside, my mail is that Murphy hasn't been traded because he is on contract and no one else wanted him.

I've also been given to understand that up to 6 players have been identified for moving on. I don't know which six.

 

[SupersonicDocker]

Murphy and Mundy have been both shopped around since 06 as far as i have been told.

Whoever the 6 are. If they want to go, trade them... No place in the side for people who want to jump ship i guess.

My bets would be on

Mundy
Murphy
Warnock
J.Carr
Gilmore
Duffield

As the six who want to go

 

[prattsta]

Duffield wanted out a few years ago. No one was interested. This year interest has been shown from a couple of Vic clubs whether he still wants to leave I have no idea. Harvey seems to be giving him a go so he might be happy enough now.

 

[MadMac]

A former Sharks player told me that Neesham wanted to make a deal with the AFL in which Freo would opt out of National Draft in exchange for an exclusive right to draft East Freo players, but the AFL refused it. Then again he was intoxicated so I don't know if I can take much out of it.

 

[freocuz]

It is a massive shift, I dare say we hang onto Browne for depth.

But Farmer and McManus are at the end of their career and Murphy simply has to be traded as he is being wasted.

If the rumours surrounding Warnock and J Carr are true our hand may be forced.

While Black is currently the biggest liability in our team.

Best case senario hang onto Warnock and J Carr, keep Black/Brown for depth and delist/trade the rest.

That's a big call, especially while Thornton is still playing.

 

[dominguez]

A former Sharks player told me that Neesham wanted to make a deal with the AFL in which Freo would opt out of National Draft in exchange for an exclusive right to draft East Freo players, but the AFL refused it. Then again he was intoxicated so I don't know if I can take much out of it.

That was reported in the press this year. Not sure if it was just East Freo or South and East but Neesham definately spoke to the AFL about it. They had to say no though, it would totally compromise the draft.

 

[Borry]

So we should delist
Bell
Macca - conspicuous by the absence of a mention
Farmer
Mark Johnson
Heath Black
Josh Carr
Dean Soloman
Rodger Hayden
Chris Tarrant
Atoni Grover
Des Headland
Luke Macpharlin
Paul Haselby

They are all older than Pav.

Is Hardie talking about the total list (including Veterans) or Senior list only?

Bingo.

How could anyone say they 'agree completely' with Hardie's article.

 

[sumavich]

Bingo.

How could anyone say they 'agree completely' with Hardie's article.

Well at least he's being critical instead of talking up the list ala Rick Hart & Cameron Schwab. Most pundits believed them as well, so read in to it what you want.
I'm pissed off, and I've spent a lot more money at Freo games than Brad Hardie ever has, that's at the game, not gambling on the game.
PS I've lost a lot of money at that as well, but probably not as much as Fantapants.

I'm pissed off, and I'm sick of players getting away with the same shit, different depth. Its time to cull, and cull heavily.