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Danger Mouse said:
lil bit faster then 35.9 lead time, try 34.3, thats right 34.3!! Unbelievable lead time, FASTES EVER! (Just Jasper i'm talking about) and still finished off in 28.2. Hes a dead set freak when hes on! Came out next start, trapped back in the field, had to shove out 4 and 5 wide and beaten a head to Glencadm who got the 1-1 trail off the second row doing no work and you think he was toying with him? Give me a break! If Just Jasper got the same run Glencadm got the last 2 weeks, he would have won by 15 plus metres
both races.

4 runs back, was the fourth horse 3 wide at the bell with Washakie leading that line. Washakie won, while Just Jasper had to make his run 6 wide beaten 3 metres into second in a 57.9 last half. I think Washakies a fantastic animal as well, better then Just Jasper but not much by much!

Can't agree on your assesment of Ebony Gem in NZ. Ever consider the horse has improved since then? Ebony Gem ran the FASTEST chariots for years beating some exceptional horses yet the NZ horses are far better? lol come on... :)


Enough said!
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completely agree with u here again dm...perfect assessment...i would rather have just jasper then glencadam...i saw both of them races and its fair to say jasper went better then the other one.....34.3....is that sum kind ok joke or what...not many horses could do that and still win.

as dm said...ebony gem ran the fastest chariots time for like 12 years or sumthing....the improvement has been awsome...as u say jasper they are not machines....they do improve and this horse did...i really dont think there is much between gotta go cullen and ebony gem melpark major...i really think they are quite level...but we might have to wait a while for that race to happen



VERY SAD to see one of the best horses ive ever seen get retired and off to stud....ONE DREAM never missed a place in her 23 starts winning 18 of them...injuries got to her in the end but she won her last 3 races in open company in NZ so she was always going to go on with it...it would have been scary to see what this horse could have done.
 

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Oh and Jasper for me right now, it isn't about the price, it's about why he won. The times were clearly there and he won untouched, that was my point. Could of got far better price on Betfair and many did! Depend on Davey for example couldnt sprint well enough today to hold off the swooper. If you don't find this interesting, i'm sorry! If it bores anyone, just tell me and i'll keep it to myself!
 
Danger Mouse said:
Second, how embarassing, led the 3 wide line up, carted the second favourite into the race, that was that! This is the exact reason i'm not betting on horses yet! lol :eek:

Albion Park - Rest of meeting, maybe i can make a comeback! Maybe being the key word, need to buy the house and family back! :)

Race 3 - Bull Tossa - to fast in front last start, just missed-
Race 7 - Courageous Cam - Was holding his ground well in a 27.7 final split out wide last start. It's a stand start though.....

2 chances for redemption!
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Lucky i wasnt on Depend on Davey - didnt see the run, but i was on Courageous Cam, and he stormed home that final lap 3 wide most the way and smashed them to bits!
 
Brooklyn, Count Charmez won well today BUT the drive on Blown Budget was horrible. Hes a sit sprinter, cant work and was driven in the death. Would he have won if he waited out the back 1-4 back, i reckon yes! In saying that, Count Charmez finished off in 30.0 and 29.7. So actually no, hardly any trotter in QLD would run that down. FAST in this state. Yep Vic trotters miles to good!

Victorian horses are NOT superior to the QLD higher ranked horses.

Good Lookin Girl, Fluer De Lil and All Promises are the 3 best mares in Australia. Lucky Elsie a close fourth.

Blacks a Fake and Be Good Johnny are the equal of anything.
 
You guys want to see a real superstar. A real out of the box superstar, a horse that absolutely fn smashed horses like Smoken Up, Bold Cruiser, Be Diligent, Spirit of a Shark, Good Lookin Girl etc ... Watch the horse thats LAST at the 800m mark.

No horse in Australia would of went with him this night. Rated 1.57.3 over the 2600m, home in 56.1, 27.9

www.harness.org.au/video/qld/APM24050805.wmv
 
dm- nah thats cool bro, you just seemed overly excited about the winner! But nice work with the 8 dollar shot. I actually put my house, car and uni fund on Depend on Davey as you suggested, so im a bit hurt. haha jokes.

No disrespect guys, but I think its different for you guys to watch Just Jasper, Glencadam etc.. on tv whereas I see them in the flesh most fridays. I suppose I look at these horses in a different perspective to what you do. I know for a fact that Glen isnt fully wound up yet, theres plenty of room for improvement in him. The way I see it, he has only had two starts in open company. First time, he was 2nd up and not all that fit after a long spell, he had the nice run via Ryan's lovely drive and won well. The next run of his was huge, beyond what I thought he could have done. 3 wide without cover for the last 1000, he gave everything a chance to beat it. He deserved to give up half way down the straight but found that next gear. So he has had two starts in the open class for two wins. He cant do too much more. I just think he has more scope, a bit more x factor and a bit more talent than Just Jasper.

I understand JJ is a lovely horse but are you giving too much credit for that one run? Sure he ran the lead time in track record time, but the first half of the last mile was run in 63.5. Now they dont go any slower than that in that company. So would you say that they even themselves out? So they ran 1:58.5- isnt it the overall time that counts? Yeah 1:58.5 is a pretty good time, but nothing out of the box, as you describe his run. You both say yeah track record lead time, track record lead time but dont say that his next two quarters were 31.6 and 31.9.

Glencadam went 1:58 flat the week after. Future Assets even went 1:57.3 a few weeks before over the same 2100m distance. Washakie went 1:58.3 over 2500. Christian Spirit went 2:00.7 over 2900 in a stand this year as well.

I know its hard for you guys to fathom that GGC and Changeover are better horses than Ebony Gem. Changeover is at least a 3 length better horse than Ebony Gem. Buy you wont believe me. And you assume he has improve out of sight because 'theres no way a horse can beat the horse that defeated all out prized victorian four year olds!'

Search Changeover up on hrnz search. Look at the times he ran. Look at the horses he beat, look at his record. Look, Ebony Gem is a lovely horse but fact is that hes the 4th or 5th best nz for year old. Maybe, just maybe our four year olds arent as good as what you think. So Ebony Gem went 1:57.4- does that make him better than Elsu, Slipnslide, Manifold Bay, Smooth Satin and Holmes DG? I dont think so.
 
Jasper29 said:
dm- nah thats cool bro, you just seemed overly excited about the winner! But nice work with the 8 dollar shot. I actually put my house, car and uni fund on Depend on Davey as you suggested, so im a bit hurt. haha jokes.

No disrespect guys, but I think its different for you guys to watch Just Jasper, Glencadam etc.. on tv whereas I see them in the flesh most fridays. I suppose I look at these horses in a different perspective to what you do. I know for a fact that Glen isnt fully wound up yet, theres plenty of room for improvement in him. The way I see it, he has only had two starts in open company. First time, he was 2nd up and not all that fit after a long spell, he had the nice run via Ryan's lovely drive and won well. The next run of his was huge, beyond what I thought he could have done. 3 wide without cover for the last 1000, he gave everything a chance to beat it. He deserved to give up half way down the straight but found that next gear. So he has had two starts in the open class for two wins. He cant do too much more. I just think he has more scope, a bit more x factor and a bit more talent than Just Jasper.

I understand JJ is a lovely horse but are you giving too much credit for that one run? Sure he ran the lead time in track record time, but the first half of the last mile was run in 63.5. Now they dont go any slower than that in that company. So would you say that they even themselves out? So they ran 1:58.5- isnt it the overall time that counts? Yeah 1:58.5 is a pretty good time, but nothing out of the box, as you describe his run. You both say yeah track record lead time, track record lead time but dont say that his next two quarters were 31.6 and 31.9.

Glencadam went 1:58 flat the week after. Future Assets even went 1:57.3 a few weeks before over the same 2100m distance. Washakie went 1:58.3 over 2500. Christian Spirit went 2:00.7 over 2900 in a stand this year as well.

I know its hard for you guys to fathom that GGC and Changeover are better horses than Ebony Gem. Changeover is at least a 3 length better horse than Ebony Gem. Buy you wont believe me. And you assume he has improve out of sight because 'theres no way a horse can beat the horse that defeated all out prized victorian four year olds!'

Search Changeover up on hrnz search. Look at the times he ran. Look at the horses he beat, look at his record. Look, Ebony Gem is a lovely horse but fact is that hes the 4th or 5th best nz for year old. Maybe, just maybe our four year olds arent as good as what you think. So Ebony Gem went 1:57.4- does that make him better than Elsu, Slipnslide, Manifold Bay, Smooth Satin and Holmes DG? I dont think so.
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ull be very suprised what happens when gotta go cullen and changeover come over here or we go over there and ull see what happens there very very very good horses but there isnt much between them and us...we are just going to wait and find out...one of my fav horses the falcon strike comes from there but we will just agree to disagree then.

You never no what horses like ebony gem can go onto...he just won the chariots of fire for god sake...hes stayin here in vic so were just going to count the margins he wins by untill he comes up against the other ones.....agree to disagree



also worth having a look at seths other post...the TAB Characters thing its hilarious...because its so tru..so so tru
 
Danger Mouse said:
You guys want to see a real superstar. A real out of the box superstar, a horse that absolutely fn smashed horses like Smoken Up, Bold Cruiser, Be Diligent, Spirit of a Shark, Good Lookin Girl etc ... Watch the horse thats LAST at the 800m mark.

No horse in Australia would of went with him this night. Rated 1.57.3 over the 2600m, home in 56.1, 27.9

www.harness.org.au/video/qld/APM24050805.wmv
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that was amazing that run...just have a look 200 to go...he was in an absolute world of his own...too bad i loaded my arse with everything i had on be diligent that day
 

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SUPASTARR said:
Thats so funny:D Quite impressive actually, home in 28 secs
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haha yeah to be honest thats pretty rare i say a horse cant win and it does...i suppose i thought it would get to far back over a mile but there was only 5 bloody horses lol...also thought that punt high was a pretty good thing...but hey were all wrong sumtimes...thats the game we play

i hope u got on it lol 11 bucks was pretty good for a 5 horse field
 
Island Bomber said:
Just to buy in on the arguement
In my opinion

Changeover > Ebony Gem
Just Jasper > Glencadam
G Lang > C Lewis

Blacks a Fake > Any other horse in the world.
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Wait till u see a horse called artisitic fella from america when he comes over for the world cup...absolute superstar...i no there tracks are like 5000 meters tracks but he just ran a 1.48 flat at his last run...will be good to see how he goes over here against blackie and safari

but i agree with u atm
 
In my research tonight i was looking at the form of certain runners and i came across the race with Mad Mel last start, the horse who beat home Depend on Davey today. Ran 4th beaten 6m in a 28.0 final split making a tiny bit of ground on the leader. Depend on Davey won in 28.6 last start. I don't do the form properly, no excuses. :(
Jeremiah Shannon is going around in the second on Friday night at the Gold Coast, Special Comments. Easy race as most, if not all need the leaders back or the lead to do anything, hes drawn barrier 2. Price is the only factor as odds on, look on rings true here.

C Lewis > G Lang :)
 

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I think Gavin stands head and shoulders above every other Australian driver. He is freakish.

And I wouldnt buy or bring a USA horse here, even with monopoly money.
 
Redcliffe

Race 2 - Wobbly Archer sat 1-1, leader rocketed home in 28.0. Lost around 2m up the straight on him. So say he ran around 28.2. Horrible draw but i'm not betting on draws, i'm following times. If he finds room, he will kick there heads in.

Race 3 - Vicious Villain sat last spotting the leader 12m or so. Wide off the track beaten 4m in 29.0. Must have ran around a 28.3 final split. Next best would be Our Last banner who led and finished off in 29.4 after a good run. On these times it'd be a close call if Vicious Villain can get home in time if hes spotting OLB a bigger start then 12m. The ideal situation would be, Sunopal carts VV into the race. Must be restrained at the start and must not lead the 3 wide line up. Needs to be driven freezing cold.

Race 4 - Look Away Dixie circled the field, led and just got bloused by Roma Tee on her back in a 29.1 final split. Leading and working is not her go. Go on her previous run, must have been spotting the leaders a good 16m sitting last. Pulled wide, right off the track 5 wide, zoomed home, just missed in a 29.4 closing split. Must have ran around 28.3 out wide! Why on earth they drove her upside down last start beats me.

Race 5 - Ultimate Time - 3 starts back, sat back, pulled wide, got into the 1-1, kept closing beaten 2m, 29.2 closing sectional, fast mile rate to of 1.57.9. Next start led breaking 31 every quarter, walked home in 30.7, nailed late. Led again last start with better sectionals, home in 29.4. Go on the run 3 starts ago with a sit, how he should be driven, must of ran say a 28.8 split. From the pole, all he has to do it take the sit on Invinsible Barnes then nail his arse to the wall sprint laning. *this is not a good thing, nor is it really a bet. The times while slightly better then the rest still isn't enough advantage but hes driven correctly, absolutely correctly and they don't go suicidal in front then he should win* You have been warned, this race is more about barrier then times which isn't a good thing contrary to what most people think!

Race 6 - The Apprentice sat last, spotting the winner a good 12-16m, beaten 12m in a 28.4 out wide. He was easily holding his ground, none of these duffers can break 29. Still, whoever leads this race gets completely left alone and just flies up the straight will make it hard for TA. Still on times, hes the one.

Race 7 - Gracious Legend broke 2 minutes at Redcliffe leading. Need i say more? Iguanette who i'm not tipping! wasn't to bad last start, would of finished off in around 29.1 at his first start, you'd think he would improve and if he got got Gracious Legends Back it MIGHT be interesting.

Race 8 - Melton Assassin was in the same race as Iguanette, miles out of his ground. Beaten 16m but ran pretty much the same as Iguanette running final split in around 29.0.These are are some pretty awful horses going around here. Excluding Fearless Fake who i have no idea about MA should be hard to beat by default.

I'd like to point out, any horse who can't run faster then 28.3 is suspect, been warned! I wouldn not personally be on anything that can run at least that quick until i get better at this. Ultimate Time race is about his barrier and ever so slight time advantage, not ideal either!

Wobbly Archer has the best time tonight but will need lots of luck regardless from the draw.
 
Race 1 - Delectable Dolly - Editing this, i originally had down 3 selections and had it as a race to avoid. Nah screw that. Delectable Dolly sat last and wide, made up a little ground on the leaders in a 28.4 split. Must have reeled off a 27.9 split. Will need the leaders to not crawl in front, so she can sail over the top. Needs to be driven freezing cold! She works at all during the race, then forget it, shes another Good Catch.

Let me repeat one last time, i wouldn't be on any horse tonight who can't run at least a 28.3, so if things don't go right tonight its because they simpily don't have the sprint fast enough to close or the leaders get it to easy and sail up the straight making it to hard for the backmarkers! Pretty simple game really!

I tipped the card again, when will i learn. :)
 
Jasper29 said:
I think Gavin stands head and shoulders above every other Australian driver. He is freakish.

And I wouldnt buy or bring a USA horse here, even with monopoly money.
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u might be right in some cases but i think u will all agree the performace of eden burst from usa lately against the a graders has been great...3rd in the hondo grattan and 4th in the paleface...i think he has does exceptionally well since he came from the usa, hes a qld horse...so what do u think danger mouse...i no he cant do work in the run...these usa horses dont seem to be able to do work...but when held up for a short sprint...he is great

G.webster > c.lewis
Just jasper>glencadam
monkey king>changover
blacks a fake>safari
 
Jasper29 said:
Eden Burst? Are you serious?
He wouldnt be in the top 30 horses in Australasia.
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thats not what im sayin...he came over as a C6 MO...and i think hes been a good little sit sprinter in the paleface (4th) and the hondo grattan(3rd)...and was emergency for the chariots....i dont think he cost much either...one of the few successes to come from usa harness wise of late..
 

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