Harvey on SEN

[Sman-21]

It was handled terribly
But footys a cut throat business they saw an opportunity to get someone they believed was a better option they went out an made it happen.

Guys like Malthouse, Matthews, Dermie an many other people in footy who call themselves jounalists have said they expect us to be better an more disciplined with Lyon.
That shows they made the tough but right decision.

Also dont forget how Harvey got the Job in the first place, an why he even came here in the first place.
Not all sweet an innocent.
Wonder if Connolly has any problems with how Mark took over an even came here in the firt place.

 

[theGav56]

You guys just can't focus on the topic at hand can you? I was giving my opinion on what I think an experienced coach is. Its not about who the best choice is, or whether they're a winning coach.

To sum up: Yes, I would say that Terry Wallace is an experienced coach. No, I wouldn't say that he was a good coach.

I thought Wallace was a media commentator. An ex-coach.

The life cycle of a coach ranges between 1 and 20 years or so.But the average life span of a coach would be less than 5 years I would think, which means Lyon is an experienced coach.

Inexperienced Coach in 1st contract 0-3 years

Mid-term Coach in a second contract 3-6 years

Experienced Coach (characteristically one who has experienced finals success earning a second or third contract, or who has been headhunted by a rival club, and commanding a top level salary) 4+ years

 

[theGav56]

It was handled terribly

Was it? My rating of how our ex coaches exits were handled from best to worst;

Connolly (good), Harvey (fairly normal for a sacking, but surgical), Neesham (harsh), Drum (terrible).

Harvey's exit considering could only have been improved on marginally.

Also dont forget how Harvey got the Job in the first place, an why he even came here in the first place.
Not all sweet an innocent.
Wonder if Connolly has any problems with how Mark took over an even came here in the firt place.

I think Connolly was fine with it. He must have realised that he had some significant weaknesses as a coach, and was gifted with a top-line assistant, who did well for the team. And most intelligent leaders are fine with the idea of a succession plan.

 

[Sman-21]

I thought Connolly had no say whether Harvey came here
many assumed when he was given role it was with a chance to become senior coach.

Did Harvey know this when he signed on?, was that the reason he came
Harvey coming put more pressure on Connolly an as soon as change was needed Harvey was there to takeover.
Now i have nothing wrong with how that one was handled.
Just Saying Harvey himself isnt all innocent, Connolly could be feeling the same way about how Harvey came over an then took his job.

 

[Clay Davis]

I thought Wallace was a media commentator. An ex-coach.

The life cycle of a coach ranges between 1 and 20 years or so.But the average life span of a coach would be less than 5 years I would think, which means Lyon is an experienced coach.

Inexperienced Coach in 1st contract 0-3 years

Mid-term Coach in a second contract 3-6 years

Experienced Coach (characteristically one who has experienced finals success earning a second or third contract, or who has been headhunted by a rival club, and commanding a top level salary) 4+ years

Yep, average lifespan of a coach is around 80 games. So less than 4 years. Remove coaches with 10 games or less experience (the caretakers) and it's around 90 games - less than 5 years.

Any coach with five years experience is 'experienced'.

(The median length of time as coach is much, much lower - 40 games. Basically those that prove themselves within the first few years go on to having very long careers. The rest get sent to the scrap heap, like Harvey was).

 

[Reginald Perrin]

Reg - I'm never sure whether you're just in this for the stoush, in which case there's no point taking the bait. But for what it's worth: Ross Lyon served a long, successful apprenticeship as an assistant, then took over at St Kilda, where he took a club with a tragic history of failure to 2 Grand Finals. Any reckoning among AFL club management would have him in the top tier of current senior coaches. Mark Harvey had no offers as a senior coach this year and, in my view, is highly unlikely to ever coach at senior AFL level again. He has found his level. The coaching change at Freo was, without dispute, an upgrade.

You are right, however, to have high expectations for 2012 and I would expect you to hold Ross Lyon fully accountable on BF!

I was making a point about Lyon, not a comparison between him and Harvey, but as you've raised it Harvey also served a long and successful apprenticeship as an assistant. Lyon hardly inherited a club with a tragic history of failure, having played finals in the three years immediately before he took over. Nobody but Harvey knows if he received any offers to be senior coach after he was sacked, but he had already indicated pretty firmly that he wouldn't entertain the idea anyway so perhaps they didn't bother.

I thought Connolly had no say whether Harvey came here
many assumed when he was given role it was with a chance to become senior coach.

Did Harvey know this when he signed on?, was that the reason he came
Harvey coming put more pressure on Connolly an as soon as change was needed Harvey was there to takeover.
Now i have nothing wrong with how that one was handled.
Just Saying Harvey himself isnt all innocent, Connolly could be feeling the same way about how Harvey came over an then took his job.

This has been mentioned before, and seems a fair way from reality when you consider that Harves took forever to decide whether to take the Fremantle job on permanently.

 

[Nothing]

I was making a point about Lyon, not a comparison between him and Harvey, but as you've raised it Harvey also served a long and successful apprenticeship as an assistant. Lyon hardly inherited a club with a tragic history of failure, having played finals in the three years immediately before he took over. Nobody but Harvey knows if he received any offers to be senior coach after he was sacked, but he had already indicated pretty firmly that he wouldn't entertain the idea anyway so perhaps they didn't bother.

You do know that Lyon coached St Kilda, the club that has 1 flag in 110 years. If they aren't a club with a tragic history of failure I think I need to learn new definitions of the words tragic, history and failure.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

You do know that Lyon coached St Kilda, the club that has 1 flag in 110 years. If they aren't a club with a tragic history of failure I think I need to learn new definitions of the words tragic, history and failure.

And I think you need to gain a little perspective and stop being so ridiculous. Do you think a 110 year history affects the player group that Lyon inherited?

 

[Nothing]

And I think you need to gain a little perspective and stop being so ridiculous. Do you think a 110 year history affects the player group that Lyon inherited?

Yes

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