Hawks move closer to signing O'Keefe

[LuvMyHawks]

Okeeffe to Hawks
pik 16 to Dees
Green to Swans
ALL DONE...

The Hawks have offered ROK $400,000 or $1.2M for 3 years, pick 16 to Demons, and Green to Sydney..
It's in the hands of Sydney & ROK now..

 

[Ezayyak]

We have only been crap for 7 seasons. Now that the hawks have won the flag all their supporters are going on like it was sustained brilliance of many years. It was you first grand final appearance (and premiership) since 1991 in which time you only ever made the preliminary final in 2001. So really you guys have been garbage for alot longer than we have.

We made the 93 and 99 grand finals in that time and won the 95 premiership, and a prelim along the way. It is quite obvious that the Blues is on the way up and you would be an imbecile to think otherwise.

As for Richmond.... 27 years of GARBAGE and none of it was due to anything besides having a rubbish culture. In the same period of Carlton's rubbishness the Tigers have finished:

14th in 2002.
13th in 2003.
16th in 2004.
12th in 2005.
9th in 2006.
16th in 2007.
9th in 2008.

Now the Tiger supporters say they are on the way up, how can you be so sure? Yes you climbed from 16th to 9th this year but the year before that you finished 9th as well? So did you overachieve in 2006 and if you say no then that means you underachieved in 2007. Which would really indicate that you actually haven't improved as a team as a whole over the last 3 years. So which one is it Tiger fans: overachieved or underachieved?

 

[didak04]

hey surely waite is the only one that you listed that could be classed as elite.

Waite elite? Well there goes your credibility.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Pick 16 for Okeefe? **** yeah.

Couldnt give a rats ass what the Dees or the Swans get.

Jumping the gun based on some fickle rumour I see.

 

[Warwick]

There is no way Sydney would effectively swap O'Keefe for Green.

Sooner of later they are going to run out of bargaining chips when their stars retire.

 

[Nightwolf]

http://news.realfooty.com.au/sport/okeefe-closer-to-heading-to-hawthorn-20081008-4wo8.html

Wonder which players Roos was asking for in a direct swap?

No Paul, you cant have Franklin or Hodge so beat it.

 

[Hawkk]

According to Fox Sports News, O'Keefe has 'reacted favourably' to the offer presented to him

Hawks Close in on O'Keefe

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24466939-23211,00.html

AFL premiers Hawthorn are closing in on Sydney star forward Ryan O'Keefe after a positive reaction from the Swan to a meeting with Hawks coach Alastair Clarkson.

O'Keefe met with Clarkson and Hawthorn chief executive Ian Robson in Sydney and has indicated he is willing to make a move, despite the prospect of a lesser salary than that offered by Sydney.

The Hawks had already met with O'Keefe's manager Tom Petroro.

While Hawthorn still need to agree to contract terms with O'Keefe and strike a trade deal with the Swans, they were 'quietly confident' that the 2005 premiership player would be wearing brown and gold next year.

'We've got past another stage in the sense that we've got Ryan's indication that he would like to play for Hawthorn,' the Hawks player personnel manager Chris Pelchen said.

O'Keefe had previously indicated that the chance to play for a successful club in front of big crowds were key factors in him looking at a move, with the Hawks able to satisfy him on both fronts.

Pelchen said those factors were among several which had O'Keefe leaning towards accepting a contract from the club which would be worth significantly less than he could earn at Sydney or elsewhere.

'It's of lesser monetary value but we believe we could offer a total package, whether it be football or lifestyle or work beyond football,' Pelchen said.

The Hawks must also finalise a trade deal with Sydney, with negotiations revolving around Hawthorn's first round national draft pick, No.16 overall, or their second round (No.34) and players.

A request by the Swans for a straight swap for several Hawthorn players was rejected by the Hawks.

'We're confident we can get a deal done but there's water to go under the bridge both with Ryan and his contract and with Sydney,' Pelchen said.

 

[year of the cat]

Swans should tell Hawthorn that its pick 16 plus Boyle or he re-signs with them or goes into the PSD.

Simple as that. If the hawks want ROC badly enough they will do the deal. They are in no position to bargain.

 

[flankerfromsrilanka]

????????????? what, hey surely waite is the only one that you listed that could be classed as elite. the rest are only serviceable ( that you listed). the argument was that outside of trading and top draft picks you havent developed a great deal of talent. good players dont make great teams.... and great teams identify and develop top talent outside of the first 2 rounds of the draft. you are building a good list with great kids like gibbs, murphy etc. but you have found them by being at the bottom of the ladder. i know of fev obviously and you can probably find some others but i doubt they are anything other than ok to good players.

sorry im not trying to troll.... just think this is a valid point... feel free to disagree... provide reasonable arguments without attacking me please... and i understand you will take you success any way you can get it and i havent outlined anything that isnt well within the rules.

i was responding to someone that said carlton couldnt develop their own talent outside number 1 picks and trades.

i never said the guys i used were elite but they do have some talent and carlton has played a pivotal role in developing it.

walker & waite (waites not elite) are more than serviceable & simpson is probably a rung below but considering he was a pick in the mid 40's id say weve developed him well.

fisher was a pick 72 and id say carlton has got the best out of him as they have out of thornton who was a rookie selection, and betts a PSD selection.

grigg, jamison, bower and hampson all look promising and time will tell but the signs are good.

 

[Hawkk]

Swans should tell Hawthorn that its pick 16 plus Boyle or he re-signs with them or goes into the PSD.

Simple as that. If the hawks want ROC badly enough they will do the deal. They are in no position to bargain.

Thing is, Boyle is, in all probablity out the door anyway, for a similar reason to why Geelong let go of King last year.

Its not that he's a bad player, but he just won't get the opportunities

 

[year of the cat]

Thing is, Boyle is, in all probablity out the door anyway, for a similar reason to why Geelong let go of King last year.

Its not that he's a bad player, but he just won't get the opportunities

You reckon you would let Boyle go cheaply? I thought you would want to include him in a trade to increase its value.

Its pick 16 that will be the sticking point in this trade anyway. I just can't see how the hawks will get ROC unless they are prepared to be reasonable.

If Geelong had room in the cap I would be all for them using pick 15 to secure ROC.

 

[mollyfud]

Swans should tell Hawthorn that its pick 16 plus Boyle or he re-signs with them or goes into the PSD.

Simple as that. If the hawks want ROC badly enough they will do the deal. They are in no position to bargain.

Don't think that will happen. I am not sure they do want ROK bad enough. They want him if the price is right, other wise, they would be just as happy to see him go to the draft. The funny thing is that this year he doesn't have to go to the PSD, he can go to the National Draft and won't that throw the cat amongst the Swans!

 

[Messenger]

You reckon you would let Boyle go cheaply? I thought you would want to include him in a trade to increase its value.

Its pick 16 that will be the sticking point in this trade anyway. I just can't see how the hawks will get ROC unless they are prepared to be reasonable.

If Geelong had room in the cap I would be all for them using pick 15 to secure ROC.

They'll use 16. The wages are the sticking point.

Hell, I'd give Boyle over too.

Wasn't convinced on ROK. I'm warming to it.

 

[year of the cat]

They'll use 16. The wages are the sticking point.

Hell, I'd give Boyle over too.

Wasn't convinced on ROK. I'm warming to it.

I would be. Your forward line next year will be unbelievable. It also gives you the opportunity to send Roughead back if Croad doesn't get back.

You will be tough to beat next year regardless, with an in form ROK, I hate to say it but you will be close to unstoppable.

 

[Hawkk]

You reckon you would let Boyle go cheaply? I thought you would want to include him in a trade to increase its value.

Its pick 16 that will be the sticking point in this trade anyway. I just can't see how the hawks will get ROC unless they are prepared to be reasonable.

If Geelong had room in the cap I would be all for them using pick 15 to secure ROC.

The speculation is that O'Keefe will only trade with Collingwood, Carlton and Hawthorn (Geelong would certainly be in the mix as well if they showed interest and they didnt have salary cap issues) see for the reasons posted in the article

Of those clubs, Collingwood has showed little interest and are probably too far off a premiership for O'Keefe's liking and Carlton are reluctant to let go of their first round selection - and rightfully so.

Having said that, Carlton are probably the most likely club, given their salary cap room, pick and potential to turn the applecart and make a last ditched effort to recruit him successully.

I assume O'Keefe has burn't his bridges with Sydney and will happily enter the PSD, where he'll be picked up by Melbourne soley for cash and lifestyle choice only, if the Swans don't do a deal with him, hence there is no incentive to go through the week without trading him

Based on his actions, its fair to assume he thinks the Swans are over their window and will begin a total rebuild over the next year or 2 and are probably in the same boat as Melbourne in terms of premiership window

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

...... If the hawks want ROC badly enough they will do the deal. They are in no position to bargain.

You need him more than we do. Hence we are in a position to bargain.

I cant believe we are even in the hunt. What is wrong with ROK?

 

[year of the cat]

You need him more than we do. Hence we are in a position to bargain.

I cant believe we are even in the hunt. What is wrong with ROK?

Yes we do but we have no room in our cap for him.

 

[year of the cat]

The speculation is that O'Keefe will only trade with Collingwood, Carlton and Hawthorn (Geelong would be in the mix as well if they showed interest) see for the reasons posted in the article

Of those clubs, Collingwood has showed little interest and are probably too far off a premiership for O'Keefe's liking and Carlton are reluctant to let go of their first round selection - and rightfully so.

Having said that, Carlton are probably the most likely club, given their salary cap room, pick and potential to turn the applecart and make a last ditched effort to recruit him successully.

I assume O'Keefe has burn't his bridges with Sydney and will happily enter the PSD, where he'll be picked up by Melbourne soley for cash and lifestyle choice only, if the Swans don't do a deal with him, hence there is no incentive to go through the week without trading him

Based on his actions, its fair to assume he thinks the Swans are over their window and will begin a total rebuild over the next year or 2 and are probably in the same boat as Melbourne in terms of premiership window

I agree with you to a point. Hawthorn are definitely in the box seat because you have a high enough pick (16) that the swans are interested in but a low enough pick (16!) that is tradeable. There is no way I would do the deal if I was Carlton with that first pick with a 28 year old. That then leaves either their second pick (which is lower than yours) or the possibility of trading for a low first round pick which is almost impossible this year.

Also Carlton are not likely to challenge for a flag in the next 2 years, so ROK's attraction is not that high really I would have thought.

If the saints or bulldogs or kangaroos had shown interest then that would have changed the landscape completely. The market just isn't there.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

yes the mighty blues and their success at developing their own talent... really to be a good player at carlton you either have to be a number 1 draft pick or get poached from another club....

Yeah because we are awful at developing our own players...need to take a leaf out of the Tigers book dont we when you consider... Brown, Simmonds, Polak, McMahon, Deledio, Cotchin and whoever else i forgot because none of these were high draft picks or got from other clubs.

 

[Hawkzzz]

Carlton are far too arrogant to trade anything good for O'Keefe. Pick 6 and deal would be done as simple as that, cos Carlton have the coin...

They wanted 2 first round picks for Thornton

 

[bludrew79]

Its sad to think that a team like hawthorn is in a better position to trade for a quality player like o'keefe because of there success, even though it sounds logical

But they are in a better position because there first round pick is 16 overall! Sydney wanting a first rounder rules out clubs with a lower pick i.e carl(6) and Rich(7) or even Ess(5) just because the pick is way to valuable unlike Hawthorns selection!

Dont get me wrong Hawthorn would more then likely get a gun at 16 in this years draft, but thats a MAYBE, unlike o'keefe who is a certain better player then who they'll get at 16 (at least for the next 3-4 years)

 

[Bartram_Class]

Quote from the Hun -

One scenario raised last night would see Green head to Sydney, O'Keefe to Hawthorn and ruckman Simon Taylor and the Hawks pick 16 going to Melbourne. While it is unclear how interested Green is in moving interstate, Sydney — without O'Keefe's $450,000 salary — would have the room to make a move attractive.

Is it just me or are Melbourne getting a bumper deal there?

Pick 16 and Simon Taylor just for Brad Green?

 

[HFC082]

That's because it won't happen

 

[scottwade]

Quote from the Hun -

Is it just me or are Melbourne getting a bumper deal there?

Pick 16 and Simon Taylor just for Brad Green?

I think you'll find that was one scenario raised at the pub and when they got back to work couldn't remember where they had suggested each player was going.

Only way it could ever make sense was ROK to Hawthorn, Green & Taylor to Sydney, pick 16 to Melbourne.

Mind you even then why would Hawthorn add Taylor when pick 16 alone would probably get ROK?

And, although slightly more possible, why would Sydney want Green?
Green is 28 by the start of next season.

Effectively Sydney replace one 28yo with another (lesser) player of the same age and pay him the same we offered ROK.

PS I think original report was from the Age. Much more likely scenario here;
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24466374-19742,00.html

 

[EatBig Australia]

Its sad to think that a team like hawthorn is in a better position to trade for a quality player like o'keefe because of there success, even though it sounds logical

But they are in a better position because there first round pick is 16 overall! Sydney wanting a first rounder rules out clubs with a lower pick i.e carl(6) and Rich(7) or even Ess(5) just because the pick is way to valuable unlike Hawthorns selection!

It all could have worked out for the Blues if they had just tanked for one more year.