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TennisPlayerAndy said:
They forced them into a truck and then left them out in the middle of a freezing tundra then let ‘her decide if she wants to take them’.

Fair to say, they’re pretty responsible.
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Yes, but that's not why they killed them.
 
Gosh that whole series could've been an email. Some of the funniest/bizarro things from that last ep:

  • Clown Car scenario at the end where heaps of random women start appearing in the shed randomly.
  • Danvers 'nap time' (twice!!)
  • Choosing to freeze in the station rather than sit snugly in the Tsalal vehicle with the heater on...
  • .. That was miraculously able to be driven cos the blizzard wasn't a thing anymore.
  • Time is a flat circle (cringe!!)
  • What was the big swirly dinosaur in the cave?
  • Reddit captures it perfectly - '
  • She snooped around looking at scientific papers and plastic tubes and then, with no prior education in the incredibly specific fields of science that these men spent there lives in, immediately deduced that the scientists were polluting Ennis from having just briefly read the aforementioned papers and plastic tubes.

    She then goes on a rampage smashing random pieces of equipment around the lab. Then apparently stops? Pulls her phone out, and records a video, in which she reveals In a terrified manner that she’s found something terrible. The evidence of which she just seemingly destroyed btw.

    She then is murdered by (up until the story needed it to be different) previously mild mannered hermit scientists.

    Did I get all that right?'
  • Why was there a trailer full of blair witch stick figures?
  • Suicide is kind of glorified..
  • Caribou running off the cliff? why?
  • Rose your professional body remover.
  • No CCTV at the Tsalal Station
  • Danvers and Navaroo the two most unlikable, useless detectives ever - of course the first option is to opt for torture? Rather than actual investigative work. The lesson I got at the end of this is that as cops it's OK to lose your temper and kill perpetrators, ignore group homicide and beat up/**** around with meathead civilians.

Absolute hilarity that critics are giving this good reviews, I typically don't buy into the woke hollywood nonsense but this has all the feels of that...
 
Shiftyjoe said:
That season was hot, putrid garbage. Absolute s**t.
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Honest question- why did you watch it?

I genuinely don't understand the mentality of someone spending 3 hours watching hot putrid absolute shit garbage and then thinking to themselves "**** I hate this so much, I'm going to keep doing it".
 
Me personally... I enjoyed it!

Great performance by Hotty Foster especially in the last eppy, I like that they resolved all the plot points especially the toothbrush because I was worried about that.

The thing I didn't like about Season 1 was it felt like there was overloaded with Red Herrings and culty-type mystical stuff that went knowhere and I felt like there was a little bit of that too this time, like you see Raymond's trailer with all the circle symbology and the weird voodoo shit and Travis The Ghost and stuff but it wasn't so much this time.
 

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StingBitten said:
Gosh that whole series could've been an email. Some of the funniest/bizarro things from that last ep:

  • Clown Car scenario at the end where heaps of random women start appearing in the shed randomly.
  • Danvers 'nap time' (twice!!)
  • Choosing to freeze in the station rather than sit snugly in the Tsalal vehicle with the heater on...
  • .. That was miraculously able to be driven cos the blizzard wasn't a thing anymore.
  • Time is a flat circle (cringe!!)
  • What was the big swirly dinosaur in the cave?
  • Reddit captures it perfectly - '
  • She snooped around looking at scientific papers and plastic tubes and then, with no prior education in the incredibly specific fields of science that these men spent there lives in, immediately deduced that the scientists were polluting Ennis from having just briefly read the aforementioned papers and plastic tubes.

    She then goes on a rampage smashing random pieces of equipment around the lab. Then apparently stops? Pulls her phone out, and records a video, in which she reveals In a terrified manner that she’s found something terrible. The evidence of which she just seemingly destroyed btw.

    She then is murdered by (up until the story needed it to be different) previously mild mannered hermit scientists.

    Did I get all that right?'
  • Why was there a trailer full of blair witch stick figures?
  • Suicide is kind of glorified..
  • Caribou running off the cliff? why?
  • Rose your professional body remover.
  • No CCTV at the Tsalal Station
  • Danvers and Navaroo the two most unlikable, useless detectives ever - of course the first option is to opt for torture? Rather than actual investigative work. The lesson I got at the end of this is that as cops it's OK to lose your temper and kill perpetrators, ignore group homicide and beat up/* around with meathead civilians.

Absolute hilarity that critics are giving this good reviews, I typically don't buy into the woke hollywood nonsense but this has all the feels of that...
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I don't agree with all of this, but the majority of these points are fair and reasonable criticism.

Other points that are either brushed over by this season or completely ignored:
  1. The series of events required for the women to deduce what had happened - spill water exactly over the hatch, see it seep into the floor cracks, decide this is a cleaners job to investigate, somehow figure out how to open it, decide to go into a weird ice chamber instead of just telling someone what you found, magically deduce everything that had happened (found a star shaped tool - knew the morgue worker? Somehow had access to the case files? Decided no one else could possibly have used it?) and then figured out all the scientists did it instead or just one (based on what?).
  2. Leaning so far into the supernatural ghosts aspect (to the point that the audience sees a ghost behind Navarro in the last ep, but no characters actually see it) - then completely ditching it for the boring (and as noted above, nonsensical) revenge plot.
  3. The tongue left at the crime scene - how and why? If by the women, it's incredibly ****ed up to think they cut it out of Annie, left it at Tsalal as a clue for the police, then pursued their own justice anyway. If by a supernatural force ("her") then for what end? And how does a supernatural just procure a ****ing tongue? And why leave it in such a random place under a desk? Is this supernatural entity not above mutilating the dead to procure the tongue?
  4. Minimal resolution of the mine plot. The female mine boss and Christopher Eccleston's characters being completely missing from the last episode was an awful misstep. So many details to resolve but they just couldn't be stuffed.
  5. The complete lack of moral ambiguity in the resolution. Completely letting the women off the hook for a horrific crime laughs in the face of the sort of mixed morality the series is renowned for. So much complexity to be explored was just ignored for the sake of a clean and quick finish.
 
JoondalupJ said:
Yes I agree, but you know the Ice cave place , hell I'd be running a hundred miles an hour away from it.

If you want a good read try the Terror, Its about Sir John Franklin trying to find the NW Passage
through the Arctic.
Never did, lost both ships, HMS Erebus and HMS Terror.
The book is a mix of guesswork and information that they found under a rock piled cairn messages left by some of the still alive survivors and some good historic "probably happened" sort of writing.

But its also got a bit of a supernatural feel about it. Reading the book at first it put me off because
the story of Franklins search early to mid 19th century, was a brilliant story with assumed things all quite possible to have maybe happened.
So the supernatural is the connection to True Detective "on the ice".

I am wondering if Inuit spiritual folklore is well involved in True D, as it is in Terror.
I think Terror was also a mini series , well I know it was, but it was very good, book is extremely good.
This True Detective is getting close to FEELING like no ONE.
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Well the answer was well sort of an answer? Wasn't it? All the Native women suffering from industrial polluting and having babies die. Get together and cause some mass murder?
Never entered my head , always thought there was some monster about, I never get the scenes where some horrible screaming nightmare face shows up.
So what I thought was its really the only thing that could have been, then why the supernatural???
 
StingBitten said:
Gosh that whole series could've been an email. Some of the funniest/bizarro things from that last ep:

  • Clown Car scenario at the end where heaps of random women start appearing in the shed randomly.
  • Danvers 'nap time' (twice!!)
  • Choosing to freeze in the station rather than sit snugly in the Tsalal vehicle with the heater on...
  • .. That was miraculously able to be driven cos the blizzard wasn't a thing anymore.
  • Time is a flat circle (cringe!!)
  • What was the big swirly dinosaur in the cave?
  • Reddit captures it perfectly - '
  • She snooped around looking at scientific papers and plastic tubes and then, with no prior education in the incredibly specific fields of science that these men spent there lives in, immediately deduced that the scientists were polluting Ennis from having just briefly read the aforementioned papers and plastic tubes.

    She then goes on a rampage smashing random pieces of equipment around the lab. Then apparently stops? Pulls her phone out, and records a video, in which she reveals In a terrified manner that she’s found something terrible. The evidence of which she just seemingly destroyed btw.

    She then is murdered by (up until the story needed it to be different) previously mild mannered hermit scientists.

    Did I get all that right?'
  • Why was there a trailer full of blair witch stick figures?
  • Suicide is kind of glorified..
  • Caribou running off the cliff? why?
  • Rose your professional body remover.
  • No CCTV at the Tsalal Station
  • Danvers and Navaroo the two most unlikable, useless detectives ever - of course the first option is to opt for torture? Rather than actual investigative work. The lesson I got at the end of this is that as cops it's OK to lose your temper and kill perpetrators, ignore group homicide and beat up/* around with meathead civilians.

Absolute hilarity that critics are giving this good reviews, I typically don't buy into the woke hollywood nonsense but this has all the feels of that...
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I think we all got stung hey? It did have a creepy feel to it, for a while, then it got out of hand,silly
And NO 1, WILL NEVER FIND AN EQUAL , PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY ANYHOW.
 
A mess of a final episode to round off what was mostly a mess of a series.

Were the 'mystery ice caves that were hard to find' right under the research station?
Why did Danvers and Navarro not go back to town in their truck instead of shivering in dooners and walking about on thin ice?
We're supposed to believe that mild mannered scientists brutally killed a young woman?
And that mass murder was committed by a gaggle of badass cleaning ladies?
And that the two police officers who were investigating the mystery were prepared to overlook the mass murders?
Rose is an expert at disposing of dead bodies?

The whole story was badly told. So much time spent with irrelevant sub-plots and characters, followed by a rushed finale, and many unresolved plot points.
The supernatural elements were not paid off.
The many links to True Detective S1 were not paid off.
"She's awake?" Nothing.
What's the super duper microorganism that might be a game changer for mankind?
 
Frank Bunn said:
A mess of a final episode to round off what was mostly a mess of a series.

Were the 'mystery ice caves that were hard to find' right under the research station?
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The ice cave sets were so cheap, supposed to be a deathly peril, looked like an indoor area with some painted foam
Frank Bunn said:
Why did Danvers and Navarro not go back to town in their truck instead of shivering in dooners and walking about on thin ice?
We're supposed to believe that mild mannered scientists brutally killed a young woman?
And that mass murder was committed by a gaggle of badass cleaning ladies?
And that the two police officers who were investigating the mystery were prepared to overlook the mass murders?
Rose is an expert at disposing of dead bodies?
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I can somewhat buy this, remote living old ladies survive somehow
Frank Bunn said:
The whole story was badly told. So much time spent with irrelevant sub-plots and characters, followed by a rushed finale, and many unresolved plot points.
The supernatural elements were not paid off.
The many links to True Detective S1 were not paid off.
"She's awake?" Nothing.
What's the super duper microorganism that might be a game changer for mankind?
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Yeh this bit annoyed me, at least flesh it out a little

Pretty good series, particularly second last ep, very mediocre finish
 
Frank Bunn said:
We're supposed to believe that mild mannered scientists brutally killed a young woman?
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Wasn’t the murderer in season 1 a massively overweight hillbilly who was ploughing his mentally disabled sister?
 
Frank Bunn said:
What's the super duper microorganism that might be a game changer for mankind?
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There's only so many subplots they can resolve. I'm just happy we got confirmation that Hank was being catfished before he died.
 

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Liked it up until the second ending. I thought the cabin fever ending was much better. Suits the whole hallucinations/madness aspect that was intertwined throughout the series. The scienctists hubris being their undoing them is much better than the revenge fantasy stuff. Thematically aligns better with season 1 which hinted at a grand conspiracy as a misdirect.
 
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Yeah the finale wasn't good. Would have had this clear in 2nd place for TD seasons after ep 5, after the last ep I'm not so sure. Basically due to everything that has already been noted in this thread already, it was all a bit of a mess in the end. They almost needed to break with the traditional TD formula and go for a more supernatural resolution or something, I dunno.

And just one more ending thing - why was Navarro on the run/off the grid by the end? She'd come out of it all as clean as Danvers yeah? Unsure why she couldn't just say I quit and am going walkabout, just disappearing would seem more suspicious and she didn't really need to do that?
 

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bourbons said:
Yeah the finale wasn't good. Would have had this clear in 2nd place for TD seasons after ep 5, after the last ep I'm not so sure. Basically due to everything that has already been noted in this thread already, it was all a bit of a mess in the end. They almost needed to break with the traditional TD formula and go for a more supernatural resolution or something, I dunno.

And just one more ending thing - why was Navarro on the run/off the grid by the end? She'd come out of it all as clean as Danvers yeah? Unsure why she couldn't just say I quit and am going walkabout, just disappearing would seem more suspicious and she didn't really need to do that?
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The general interpretation is that the committed suicide.

That's faced significant backlash due to the pandemic of Indigenous/Native American suicide particularly in the Arctic region.
 
bourbons said:
Ohh right. The "sometimes I just want to disappear" stuff.

Cheers, didn't pick up on that at all in those closing scenes.
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There's also a suggestion she was still alive at the end as she appeared on a remote deck with Danvers - but most seem to think that's symbolic.

Considering her sister died via suicide earlier in the season... it's a bit of a gamble plot-wise and I'm not sure it paid off.
 
StingBitten said:
There's also a suggestion she was still alive at the end as she appeared on a remote deck with Danvers - but most seem to think that's symbolic.

Considering her sister died via suicide earlier in the season... it's a bit of a gamble plot-wise and I'm not sure it paid off.
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Yeah I assumed she was off-grid but still maintaining a friendship with Danvers, but it being symbolic with her standing off to the side and neither acknowledging the other makes more sense.
 

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