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[ant555]

So much for you always attacking kelvin about looking at where draftees were taken??

You've always said that players should never be looked at where they were taken, rather how they are playing. You're obviously taking Monfries' performance with the fact that he was a first round draft pick.

In 2 years, are you going to turn on Myers for being a first round pick?

Sorry it should not have sounded like that. My real beef is he has played 86 games and he can not string togehter many consistant games.
You are right the fact that he was first round is irrelevant.

I should have said he was drafted as a gun mid and now 80 games later we don't really know if he will be a consistant small forward.

In 2 years time if i question Myers it will be based on performance and not where he was taken.

I do take offence at people saying i am turning on players. I am not turning on anyone. I will not appologise for not having the Essendon blinkers on but i am the first to say i am happy if a judgment on an Essendon player is wrong.
Giving constructed critisism on players performances is hardly truning on them.

 

[GoldenboyHird_5]

No, I agree with what you're saying. I just thought you might have been straying off your principles.

What did you think of the game last night? Finals or not?

 

[ant555]

No, I agree with what you're saying. I just thought you might have been straying off your principles.

What did you think of the game last night? Finals or not?

Still in the mix for finals but last night showed how it can come apart on the field and in the coaches box in a pressure game.

Our bottom end does not have enough experience and a lot of our mid range does not perfrom consistantly so you end up being a 6th to 12th placed side rather than a genuine 3rd to 6th side.

I think we are miles way from being a top 4 side but it is within our reach to be in the 5th to 8th spot over the next few years provided the young players continue to keep taking the next step.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

I dont agree at all. In fact i will say that Skippy or Hocking can play the same role as Monfries. Skipworth used to play small forward for the Crows..

Skippy can play the same role, but Angus is quicker which says a fair bit I think as Angus isn't lightning fast. Skipworth was a clever forward for Crows, no doubt; but what's done is done, lets mark them now. Hocking I won't say anymore; not sure what you see in him but I don't think he's creative enough to play that role. Say no more.

Angus has been a little disappointing, as he hasn't turned into that midfielder we all hoped he could become. But realistically, with our midfield group now we wouldn't be able to fit him in much anyway.

 

[bombers_4_ever]

I'm really looking fwd to next year. If we don't make the top 4 in 2010 it'll be a wasted year. With the list we have we should be playing finals from 2010-2015.

 

[ant555]

Skippy can play the same role, but Angus is quicker which says a fair bit I think as Angus isn't lightning fast. Skipworth was a clever forward for Crows, no doubt; but what's done is done, lets mark them now. Hocking I won't say anymore; not sure what you see in him but I don't think he's creative enough to play that role. Say no more.

Angus has been a little disappointing, as he hasn't turned into that midfielder we all hoped he could become. But realistically, with our midfield group now we wouldn't be able to fit him in much anyway.

Line them up during the pre season sprints and Skippy was beating Angus.
Gus is not all that quick, part of the reason why he can not break into the midfield.
And before anyone jumps up and down and points out others are not quick but in the midfield i said part of the reason. Combined with a lack of endurance and poor decision making being average pace does cost you.

 

[ghostdog]

I'm really looking fwd to next year. If we don't make the top 4 in 2010 it'll be a wasted year. With the list we have we should be playing finals from 2010-2015.

With our aging forwards that's an unrealistic expectation.

 

[The Donners]

The loss we suffered at the hands of Collingwood tonight was rather disappointing, but really this should remind us where exactly we are placed in the competition.

Great post GS. I left the above extract to emphasise the fact that Friday night's loss was in fact a good loss. It's a cliche but we'll take more out of that game from the loss than we would've with a win (though obviously the 4 points is always nicer! ).

Collingwood are a well drilled unit with a heap of determination. Outside of the top 2 teams in the competition, I would say they are my only smoky for the premiership. One must not forget we dominated the first quarter against Collingwood without Hille, McVeigh and Watson. Taking nothing away from Collingwood's victory, we still have more room for improvement than they do!

 

[Knight Ryders]

I love Hocking's in and under work and admire just how strong he is through the hips. I think he will become an important part of our side in the future as a clearance player, much like Sewell at the Hawks.

I see in some future teams that people have Myers at half back, but I'm not sure he has shown the natural composure to be a backline player. Sounds to me, without actually seeing a VFL match, that his spot is on-ball where potentially (this is the critical word), he could be a beast of player around the stoppages with his physicality and his booming left foot kick.

After actually having time to think about the match on Friday night, I do actually think that Collingwood can match the top 3 teams come finals time. They play to their game plan, their game plan has been proven in finals, their elite players are as good as any, their backline is very solid and their bottom 6 players are getting better. It's all about intensity for the Pies.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Gus is not all that quick...

Don't need to go telling me that mate. That's why I said earlier, he isn't lightning fast but is probably just above average still. That is partly the reason why indeed he hasn't turned into that full-time midfielder we have wanted, because his skills & courage attributes aren't bad at all.

 

[ant555]

Don't need to go telling me that mate. That's why I said earlier, he isn't lightning fast but is probably just above average still. That is partly the reason why indeed he hasn't turned into that full-time midfielder we have wanted, because his skills & courage attributes aren't bad at all.

I was saying it in referance to the fact you said he was quicker than Skippy. That is actually not the case .

 

[Colin D'Cops]

I was saying it in referance to the fact you said he was quicker than Skippy. That is actually not the case .

Possibly in the preseason and a few training sessions Skippy would beat Angus in a few sprints. Out on the ground though, under pressure; it isn't overly visible and would think Gus would have his measure but only slightly.

 

[daffo]

I don't think Hockings position in the side should be questioned. He has performed well and plays a team game. He is still ahead of Skipworth, Dyson and Reimers in the midfield group (I know Reimers doesn't play much through the middle but I believe that is more to do with his fitness atm)
With Hille in the side I believe we would of been a top six side this year and Hocking has held his spot, so I have no issue with him.

 

[ghostdog]

I don't think Hockings position in the side should be questioned. He has performed well and plays a team game. He is still ahead of Skipworth, Dyson and Reimers in the midfield group (I know Reimers doesn't play much through the middle but I believe that is more to do with his fitness atm)
With Hille in the side I believe we would of been a top six side this year and Hocking has held his spot, so I have no issue with him.

Agreed. Hocking's good form and tough approach has been consistent all year.