Hello from a Saints supporter

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by DaveW
For Handby read Picioane, Finnin etc then.

Finnin was a 3rd round pick as well

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Finnin was a 3rd round pick as well

Our early picks have usually been average though Stiffy. Just need to look at the year we got you namesake with a late pick, compared to what we did for earlier picks.

PS Off the top of my head, swap Handby for Brent Williams.

 

[Munga]

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Originally posted by PAfolwr

1 Luke Hodge Hawthorn Geelong U18 U18 VCFL
2 Luke Ball St Kilda Sandringham U18 U18 VMFL
3 Chris Judd WC Eagles Sandringham U18 U18 VMFL
4 Graham Polak Fremantle East Fremantle WAFL
5 Xavier Clarke St Kilda St Marys NT
6 Ashley Sampi WC Eagles South Fremantle WAFL
7 David Hale Kangaroos Broadbeach Qld
8 James Bartel Geelong Geelong U18 U18 VCFL
9 Luke Molan Melbourne Geelong U18 U18 VCFL
10 Sam Power W Bulldogs Oakleigh U18 U18 VMFL
11 Richard Cole Collingwood Eastern U18 U18 VMFL
12 Brent Reilly Adelaide Calder U18 U18 VMFL
13 Nick Del Santo St Kilda Bendigo U18 U18 VCFL
14 Ashley Watson Kangaroos Bendigo U18 U18 VCFL
15 Barry Brooks Port Adelaide Tasmania U18 U18 Tas
16 Rick Ladson Hawthorn Bendigo U18 U18 VCFL
17 James Kelly Geelong Calder U18 U18 VMFL
18 Shane Harvey Essendon Northern U18 U18 VMFL
19 Jason Gram Brisbane Gippsland U18 U18 VCFL
20 Daniel Elstone Hawthorn Bendigo U18 U18 VCFL
21 Matt Maguire St Kilda Geelong U18 U18 VCFL

Why coaches and players complain about our draft picks is insane. Have a look at the players picked before the saints, its just rediculous! There's Hale, Bartel, Molan, Power, Cole, Reilly all picked before Dal Santo. Fair enough given time some of those will be good players, but Dal is a gun, always has always will.
Then there is Watson, Ladson, Harvey, Elstone all before Maguire! I haven't even heard of most of them! The saints picked up another two good players from that in Brooks and Gram. I won't go on anymore about that.
And to you crows, I wouldn't be getting sad/mad. Your performances have been good. And I don't mind Ayers as a coach. It will be a long climb back up the ladder, I don't know what your draw is like but maybe a couple of upset wins against the rivals Port will be handy.

 

[PAfolwr]

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Originally posted by Munga
Why coaches and players complain about our draft picks is insane. Have a look at the players picked before the saints, its just rediculous! There's Hale, Bartel, Molan, Power, Cole, Reilly all picked before Dal Santo. Fair enough given time some of those will be good players, but Dal is a gun, always has always will.
Then there is Watson, Ladson, Harvey, Elstone all before Maguire! I haven't even heard of most of them! The saints picked up another two good players from that in Brooks and Gram. I won't go on anymore about that.
And to you crows, I wouldn't be getting sad/mad. Your performances have been good. And I don't mind Ayers as a coach. It will be a long climb back up the ladder, I don't know what your draw is like but maybe a couple of upset wins against the rivals Port will be handy.

That is not the point.
The Bulldogs have not exactly been having a good time either, but they have always been triers, and their reward for giving their all is having one pick to your three in the top 25.

 

[macca23]

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Originally posted by PAfolwr

13 Nick Del Santo St Kilda Bendigo U18 U18 VCFL

21 Matt Maguire St Kilda Geelong U18 U18 VCFL

Who was the coach of the Saints at the end of 2001 when these 2 were drafted?

He almost deserves to be knighted. 2 excellent selections.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by macca23
Who was the coach of the Saints at the end of 2001 when these 2 were drafted?

He almost deserves to be knighted. 2 excellent selections.

Grant Thomas.

However, credit must go to the recruiting manager because Thomas doesn't have an input as to who gets drafted. He leaves that up to recruiting staff. He just tells them the type of player he would like and they go out and try to satisfy his needs.

Get Alan Stewart I say

 

[spindoctor]

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Originally posted by Munga
Why coaches and players complain about our draft picks is insane. Have a look at the players picked before the saints, its just rediculous! There's Hale, Bartel, Molan, Power, Cole, Reilly all picked before Dal Santo. Fair enough given time some of those will be good players, but Dal is a gun, always has always will.
Then there is Watson, Ladson, Harvey, Elstone all before Maguire! I haven't even heard of most of them! The saints picked up another two good players from that in Brooks and Gram. I won't go on anymore about that.
And to you crows, I wouldn't be getting sad/mad. Your performances have been good. And I don't mind Ayers as a coach. It will be a long climb back up the ladder, I don't know what your draw is like but maybe a couple of upset wins against the rivals Port will be handy.

Sense of hypocrisy there in your post...you sniff at 'Hale, Bartel, Molan, Power, Cole, Reilly' because they haven't made a mark yet, but suddenly Brooks and Gram are another two good players, before they've even barely played?

Don't count your eggs before they've hatched...Dal Santo has played a lot more games than most of those players you mentioned out of necessity because the Saints were so crap.

 

[Crow-mosone]

We certainly could have done better, but how much harm has really been done here? Drafting is a combination of skill and luck, we all know that any draft were recast the order would be entirely different. Dal Santo would not have gone at 12 if everyone knew what we know now, and Reilly seems like he will be a solid player, and better than some before and after.

Angwin was a bust, but consider the other player we were though to be at, Luke Livingstone - would it really matter now if carlton went for Angwin and we got Livingstone (we were the market for those 2 players). 2000 was a rubbish draft.
There are some stories about now that some of the staff also favoured Kane Cornes, fair enough, but really who cares? he's not really amounted to an awful lot.

Tim Watson wrote in the Age how when they drafted Lenny Hayes, they didn't really want him, but after all their other preferred players had gone, they picked him up.
There's a lot of luck involved, and I think our draft record isn't bad when you consider the quality of our picks. Other teams have had higher picks, grabbed some good players, and burnt plenty as well.

One thing I am sure of, is that a continued spurt of mediocrity won't work either. St Kilda, who stockpiled so many young players in a relative short period of time, need to resign them - as do Freo. if they all come up for renewal within a year or so of each other, you can't hold onto them all - the distribution of age, quality, length of contract on your player list is not right.

 

[Falchoon]

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Originally posted by PAfolwr


2 Luke Ball St Kilda Sandringham U18 U18 VMFL
5 Xavier Clarke St Kilda St Marys NT
13 Nick Del Santo St Kilda Bendigo U18 U18 VCFL
15 Barry Brooks Port Adelaide Tasmania U18 U18 Tas
19 Jason Gram Brisbane Gippsland U18 U18 VCFL
21 Matt Maguire St Kilda Geelong U18 U18 VCFL

If that was the best draft ever we did pretty well.

BTW Dal Santo came from the Barry Hall trade who himself is a handy player.