Here is an idea...

[MadBomberman]

Well it's ASADA or the AFL. I would be more worried if it was someone at the AFL to be honest because it means they are making an example of you.

They won't leak the findings because they are still deciding how to punish Essendon and seeing if they have found every last drug in their system.

I doubt that, but you could be right. I hope that no other club gets themselves into what we got ourselves in and if we are guilty, then we will cop whatever punishment we get and move on.

On the other hand, it may take so long because they haven't found anything to pin us with. Regardless, it means nothing until the investigation is over and the findings are released

 

[Zephyr Effekt]

Are you suggesting that the media is making the entire thing up? If even 10% is right then Essendon are convicted drug cheats and will forever be the scum tainted club everyone currently calls them.

We can only hope.

 

[Ferdinand Lewis]

The Herald Sun is sponsor to EFC.

Why would they make up drug-cheat-stories about their client for no reason

 

[Public Enemy No1]

Its all media spin based on nothing obviously. Especially the bit where the Essendon captain admits to taking a banned substance..

Pure spin

 

[Keys]

Read OP again. I said concluding that we are guilty and not guilty. If Essendon are guilty, I would rather us cop the punishment and rebuild from there. If we are not guilty, then move on and challenge for our next flag. There is no harm in speculating of course. I have some scenarios playing in my head myself, but the problem is the whole mentality that we are cheats already, without the conclusion of the investigation. There may be a major part that we don't know. If Essendon is not guilty, then we may still be 'guilty' as a result of people's reactionary conclusions

Agree with most of this and it is as inevitable as it is unfair that essendon will always be considered drug cheats regardless of a finding that clears them if that in fact turns out to be the case.

West coasts premiership in 2006 is considered tainted by many due to the recreational drug use by some of our players and just as us eagles supporters have to deal with that due to mismanagement of the club at the time so to will bombers supporters have to get used to the idea that some will consider your club drug cheats due to the failings of your clubs management.

 

[MadBomberman]

Agree with most of this and it is as inevitable as it is unfair that essendon will always be considered drug cheats regardless of a finding that clears them if that in fact turns out to be the case.

West coasts premiership in 2006 is considered tainted by many due to the recreational drug use by some of our players and just as us eagles supporters have to deal with that due to mismanagement of the club at the time so to will bombers supporters have to get used to the idea that some will consider your club drug cheats due to the failings of your clubs management.

Such is the mindset of some people

 

[Public Enemy No1]

Agree with most of this and it is as inevitable as it is unfair that essendon will always be considered drug cheats regardless of a finding that clears them if that in fact turns out to be the case.

West coasts premiership in 2006 is considered tainted by many due to the recreational drug use by some of our players and just as us eagles supporters have to deal with that due to mismanagement of the club at the time so to will bombers supporters have to get used to the idea that some will consider your club drug cheats due to the failings of your clubs management.

The two situations are not even remotely similar unless your very simplistic

 

[Espe]

tim watson has said they will get in trouble. before the investigation is over "no doubt"

evens has said AOD is not performance enhancing. before the investigation is over

essendon has fired many people. people investigation over

You really don't listen to Tim very closely do you. Nor have you even bothered to check what he said very recently regarding the issue.

 

[Keys]

The two situations are not even remotely similar unless your very simplistic

There are some major differences between the two situations I agree, but if it transpires that essendon are cleared of the allegations of using banned substances/PEDs then they are entitled to have whatever achievements they make considered untainted. The fact remains that some people will still consider them tainted anyway just as some people consider our flag of 2006 to be tainted even though it isn't the case. That's the similarity

 

[TheMcGrathMan]

The Herald Sun is sponsor to EFC.

Why would they make up drug-cheat-stories about their client for no reason

The Herald Sun is an 'official partner' of the Essendon football club.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/club/commercial/commercial-partnerships

The Herald and Weekly Times Pty Ltd is a 'media partner' of the Collingwood football club.
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/club/partners

The Herald Sun is a 'gold sponsor' of the Richmond football club. It is a 'partner' of the North Melbourne football club. I'm sure it's also involved with Carlton, Hawthorn etc.

Basically, the Herald and associated medias are heavily involved within the Melbourne football 'fishbowl'. It's what makes it a fishbowl, as the largest? paper in Melbourne wants to give all the clubs it sponsors publicity. If a football club has been giving it's players unregulated substances or been doping them up, the journo's are not going to ignore it due to a partnership with the club.

Moving on, I think the creator of this thread has been misinterpreted to a point. Everyone is quick to jump on saying that oh but we are just predicting the outcome/discussing the scandal...I would think that MadBomberman is referring to the sort of rubbish about Hird being a sociopath, about conspiracies between Demetriou/Essendon/ASADA, about Essendon fans 'having their hands in the sand' and other such rubbish.

I'm quite certain that MadBomberman and the rest of the Bomber fans have no problem with posters discussing news articles as they come to the public's attention, especially articles such as the ones suggesting there are 4 PED's under investigation, and from my understanding 1 of which has been linked to increasing the risk of cancer.

What Essendon fans do have a problem with, and what I would suggest this thread is trying to address, is that then posters create hyperbolic suggestions about the outcome and the immediacy of which their suggestions needs to happen, forgetting that ASADA will have heard everything weeks back. Also things like suggesting that Hird is a sociopath, or stupid statements regarding boycotts of sponsors etc

 

[The Dodger]

There are some major differences between the two situations I agree, but if it transpires that essendon are cleared of the allegations of using banned substances/PEDs then they are entitled to have whatever achievements they make considered untainted. The fact remains that some people will still consider them tainted anyway just as some people consider our flag of 2006 to be tainted even though it isn't the case. That's the similarity

This case has a certain amount of public prejudice to it in that it is only being investigated because of a "drugs in sport" investigation by the ACC.
If that wasnt the backdrop and Essendon asked for ASADA's help I think people would be slightly more reserved. But from day 1 this has had a "how much" feel to it rather than an "if".

In your honest opinion would Essendon have asked ASADA to sort their "governance" out from last year if they were not aware of the way the wind was blowing?
A national organisation investigated drugs in sport and came back with Essendon as one of the targets.

 

[Keys]

This case has a certain amount of public prejudice to it in that it is only being investigated because of a "drugs in sport" investigation by the ACC.
If that wasnt the backdrop and Essendon asked for ASADA's help I think people would be slightly more reserved. But from day 1 this has had a "how much" feel to it rather than an "if".

In your honest opinion would Essendon have asked ASADA to sort their "governance" out from last year if they were not aware of the way the wind was blowing?
A national organisation investigated drugs in sport and came back with Essendon as one of the targets.

There's been a whiff to this ever since that first press conference of essendons which I'm almost certain was done to preempt what they knew was coming and at least give the appearance that they initiated the investigation. I also think its going to take a very detailed explanation from ASADA if they do find essendon in the clear to avoid the perception of some sort of cover up

That said I remain curious as to why essendon maintain their confidence that they've done nothing wrong and that thus far they've provided a united front with no real sign of any dissension from within the playing group. Whilst that remains I still leave the possibility open that they've put their toe on the line but haven't quite crossed it

Time will tell and I'm going to wait and see. Others wont

 

[Espe]

That said I remain curious as to why essendon maintain their confidence that they've done nothing wrong and that thus far they've provided a united front with no real sign of any dissension from within the playing group. Whilst that remains I still leave the possibility open that they've put their toe on the line but haven't quite crossed it

Time will tell and I'm going to wait and see. Others wont

This, for me, is the most intriguing part of it all. Every now and then the bombers (mainly Hird, Evans to an extent, and some external people) just say or do something which makes you think, "they know something". Especially Hirds comments after the West Coast game.

I believe there is a twist or two to come, something that hasn't been reported at all, and something that will make people go "ahh, that's what happened". Or on the flip side, it could all be short-term damage control.

It's going to be a looooong month ahead!

 

[DesertRoo]

This, for me, is the most intriguing part of it all. Every now and then the bombers (mainly Hird, Evans to an extent, and some external people) just say or do something which makes you think, "they know something". Especially Hirds comments after the West Coast game.

I believe there is a twist or two to come, something that hasn't been reported at all, and something that will make people go "ahh, that's what happened". Or on the flip side, it could all be short-term damage control.

It's going to be a looooong month ahead!

I love this! A thread is started about not speculating until the end of the investigation.
But if we were to speculate, think this.

Whats wrong with people who are prepared to get more information then has been in the public arena and sharing with others on a public board. If you have any intelligence what so ever after reading up on the topics. You can judge for yourself on what to believe. The best thing about opinions is they can change. But until something like Hird and Evans were actually involved in a joint sting operation with the ACC and ASADA. To take down the illegal trade of steroids within Australia. My opinion will be that Essendon recklessly went out of their way to to gain a Chemical induced competitive advantage, thus Drug Cheats.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Its all media spin based on nothing obviously. Especially the bit where the Essendon captain admits to taking a banned substance..

Pure spin

Watson was being sarcastic when he said he he took AOD.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

This, for me, is the most intriguing part of it all. Every now and then the bombers (mainly Hird, Evans to an extent, and some external people) just say or do something which makes you think, "they know something". Especially Hirds comments after the West Coast game.

I believe there is a twist or two to come, something that hasn't been reported at all, and something that will make people go "ahh, that's what happened". Or on the flip side, it could all be short-term damage control.

It's going to be a looooong month ahead!

Serious question: at which point did you realize Lance Armstrong was lying?

 

[JeffDunne]

I don't have an opinion about this issue . . .

Not even after reading Ziggy's report?

I assume you read it?

As I said in another thread, this is what's pissing off people not doing Essendon's bidding.

There is no "we didn't do anything wrong" outcome in regards to Essendon. At the very least the people responsible for player welfare were totally & utterly incompetent . . . or they are guilty of something far more sinister.

Either way there's no excuse. In any other organisation where you're injecting shit into your employees, if you can't produce in 5 minutes a detailed list of those substances and the detail of your protocols in administering them, you're ****ed with a capital 'F'!

Not at Essendon.

Why is that?

 

[go team]

Like it or not people speculate on likely outcomes of events especially when they don't know everything and form opinions, good or bad, on what they do know or even what they think they know.

I suppose the OP is frustrated that people post as though they are speaking truth, not speculating.

 

[DesertRoo]

I suppose the OP is frustrated that people post as though they are speaking truth, not speculating.

Truth hurts

 

[replicant]

What really frustrates me is Essendon supporters acting as if some things are still in question. But we do know some things for sure.

Your club gave AOD-9604 to it's players
Your club gave Thymosin to it's players
Your club gave IL-6 to it's players
etc...

This makes me sick. These are drugs which can have serious side effects when used alone, let alone in conjunction with each other. Dank is not a doctor, and would not know correct dosages of these substances.

Yet your club happily went along with this program of injection into your players.

Essendon may be found guilty of doping by ASADA or not. My opinion of your club won't change either way. Your club disgusts me. Your management and it's evasions and refusal to take responsibility for it's actions disgust me. Your supporters lack of concern for the players, and lack of anger at the club for this whole episode disgust me.

Good luck with ASADA. But your OP was just another Essendon supporter trying to bury the issue. The fact you aren't angry at your club and demanding answers just makes you part of the problem.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

First paragraph of the OP is optimistic, but fair.

However, it then goes on to do what everyone else has been doing - taking leaked nuggets of information to form conclusions. If you want to avoid comment until the investigation is over, perhaps just stay away from Bigfooty, the media and your club's website.

 

[mxett]

Truth hurts

Feel free to post some

 

[mxett]

What really frustrates me is Essendon supporters acting as if some things are still in question. But we do know some things for sure.

Your club gave AOD-9604 to it's players
Your club gave Thymosin to it's players
Your club gave IL-6 to it's players
etc....

How do you know these are facts?

 

[Slax]

If we got rid of all the rants and raves on Bigfooty there'd be nothing left to talk about. 99% of what is written here is personal opinion, sometimes with solid sources sometimes not, but it's virtually never able to be officially backed up which the OP wants. So if you don't like it don't read it and go back to doing something else on you computer.

 

[Suma Magic]

After admitted to injecting a substance confirmed by WADA and ASADA as banned, many people including myself stopped thinking about the issue as "are they guilty?" to "how are they going to prove they're innocent?".

It's not the correct view from a legal sense but logically it's a reasonable approach for your average footy follower to take.

If Jobe had never admitted to taking it, the media/speculation would be much less intense, and people's views very different.