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I am disappointed we arent using the same jumper as last year. I thought it was a good design and our only real option. To use a state jumper is not the way to go IMO. I really dont give a rats toss bag what Port do because it has nothing to do with us, but apparently Port arent happy with our submission for the state jumper.


Here's Rucci's thoughts.

Showdown over heritage guernsey
By MICHELANGELO RUCCI
15jun05

PORT Adelaide and the Crows are destined for another off-field brawl before a Showdown. This time it will not be a fight over what the August 13 derby is called, but the guernsey each side wears in the match.

The Crows have again controversially sought to wear a state jumper - the very first worn by a South Australian state team in 1879 against Victoria in Melbourne.
After being denied access to any state team jumpers last year, Adelaide this time has been granted unanimous approval from the SA Football Commission to adopt the 1879 state guernsey and amend it with Crows logos.

The first state jumper, worn against Victoria, was white with red-and-blue hoops.

The Power has asked to wear a black-and-white striped jumper, as donned by the Bob Quinn-led Port teams in the SANFL in the 1930s. The AFL has rejected the move.

Port, which has worn black-and-white and magenta-and-blue as its heritage guernsey in the past two seasons, will don one if its 19th Century jumpers in Showdown XVIII.

Both the AFL denying Port access to its black-and-white jumper and the SA Football Commission approving Adelaide wearing a state guernsey will create deep controversy.

SANFL chief executive Leigh Whicker said yesterday: "The commission had a fresh look at the issue and unanimously endorsed the Adelaide board's request to adopt the first state jumper."

Port Adelaide chief executive John James yesterday was livid in response.

"The state jumper is sacrosanct," said James. "For a club to wear a state jumper is, as was appreciated last year, out of order."

Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg yesterday would not discuss the club's heritage plans because of a confidentiality agreement with the AFL.

"We are waiting for AFL approval and have agreed to say nothing until then," Trigg said.

He did confirm Adelaide would not wear last year's heritage jumper which was the Crows' inaugural 1991 guernsey with the club shield on the front.

"We were quite pleased with that jumper but we want to do something different this year," Trigg said.

Port asked the AFL in March for approval to revive its SANFL jumper with thick black and white vertical stripes - not the prison-bar jumper the club made famous in the SANFL.

But the AFL says the Power must not wear black and white for three years after first donning the prison-bar jumper in heritage week against Carlton in 2003.

"That was a verbal agreement with the AFL - and we will honour it," said James, who was not with the Power when the deal was struck with the league.

"Our preference was to wear black and white because that is the heritage of our club; they are the colours to which many of our supporters have a strong affinity.

"The AFL has asked us to stay away from black and white for three years. We'll do that to avoid a messy debate.

"Thankfully, our club has a long history dating back to 1870 and there are other options for our heritage jumper."

Those options include blue and white from its first start in 1870 to 1878; pink and white from 1878; the varied magenta jumpers of the late 1800s and the out-of-bounds black and white from 1902. Port put its preference to guernsey supplier Nike last month.

The heritage jumper debate will spice the derby just as the lead-up to Showdown XVII in April was tainted by the saga as to what the game would be called after a change of sponsors. SA Brewing, when it sponsored both the Crows and Power, developed the Showdown brand.

The Crows this year took up sponsorship from Carlton Beveridges while the Power remains backed by SA Brewing.

The clubs ultimately agreed, despite their sponsorship differences, to maintain the popular Showdown name.


Thoughts?
 
Are we going to go through this every year? :rolleyes:

Like I said last year I don't know why we bother. We have a proud history, even if it is relatively short. We currently wear a jumper that is very similar to that of our inaugural year. As Jars456 said last year (and was quoted by Rucci) that's nothing to be ashamed of, so let's promote that fact and not manufacture something that won't feel right anyway. Unlike other clubs, we haven't changed our colours and jumper design. Nothing wrong with that.
 

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drakeyv2 said:
If it makes Port unhappy then I am all for it.

I'd like to see their reaction to the next proposal to take in in turns to wear the 10 SANFL jumpers that existed in 1990 in the comp the Crows were formed by. We'll start by wearing the black and white one. :p


na just kidding, we surely wouldnt be seen dead in that one.
 
What a ridiculous idea... to wear a state guernsey from 628 BC.

Our heritage as a club is 1990/1. Thankfully we haven't changed our magnificent guersey unlike other recent franchise entries - I'm looking at you West Coast - so we run out in the guernsey we wear today, or the one we produced for last year with the AFC crest on it.

I'd much prefer that than the contrived rubbish that has been floated before, such as wearing the guernsey of the completely unrelated and defunct 19th Century Adelaide Football Club, or wearing a guernsey with the logos of the 9 SANFL clubs stamped on it, or the option they've settled upon now, a past state guernsey. Absurd.

I loved my state footy, and to have players of the calibre of Reilly, Skipworth, Doughty and Perrie wearing such a treasured piece of cloth - a guernsey you had to really earn - will be a disgrace.

Why don't they ever consult we the members on this?
 
I have no problem with you wearing the state jumper if that is what you want.

If it was me I would be saying we will rotate each year between the jumper from your first game and the jumpers worn in each of your grand final victories.

For port I would rotate between the prison bars, our first jumper and our premiership jumper.

Mind you this hertitage round each year is a load of crap. I would say once every 10 years would be good.

PS why would you want to wear the state jumper when in looks so crappy
 
drakeyv2 said:
If it makes Port unhappy then I am all for it.

they complain just for the sake of it. This is a great move by the club and it is fantasic that they are aggressively pursuing issues like this when in the past they would not want to offend port or the sanfl. While the jumper may not have a reference directly to adelaide, the prision bars do not have a direct reference to port power either, so it has to be looked at with perspective. It it is a bit of history that is indirectly related to where the club comes from and is great to see the club going after these issues with much more determination. A typical shi tey piece from rucci though, basically bleating that port hasnt got its way.
 
missionpossible said:
Mind you this hertitage round each year is a load of crap.

I don't mind it at all. It is a variation on the retro or 'throwback' jerseys that the NBA do. It's a bit of fun and something different. I just don't see the point of coming up with alternative jerseys that our club didn't even wear.
 

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dyertribe said:
What a ridiculous idea... to wear a state guernsey from 628 BC.

Our heritage as a club is 1990/1. Thankfully we haven't changed our magnificent guersey unlike other recent franchise entries - I'm looking at you West Coast - so we run out in the guernsey we wear today, or the one we produced for last year with the AFC crest on it.

I'd much prefer that than the contrived rubbish that has been floated before, such as wearing the guernsey of the completely unrelated and defunct 19th Century Adelaide Football Club, or wearing a guernsey with the logos of the 9 SANFL clubs stamped on it, or the option they've settled upon now, a past state guernsey. Absurd.

I loved my state footy, and to have players of the calibre of Reilly, Skipworth, Doughty and Perrie wearing such a treasured piece of cloth - a guernsey you had to really earn - will be a disgrace.

Why don't they ever consult we the members on this?
Great post - I totally agree.
 
Who cares if it is manufactured, the heritage weekend is about celebrating the past? In my opinion Port Adelaide should be allowed to wear the prison bar black and white magpies jumper (heritage) and if they choose to; they also could wear the state jumper. It about celebrating the past (should I celebrate ANZAC day because I was not born when it happened? Absolutely I should because it is part of our culture and heritage) and the Adelaide Crows are a child of the South Australian National Football League and the state jumper is part of there culture and heritage.

The argument will come up that it is a club-based competition? That is correct but what also has to be taken into consideration is the demographic that allowed the AFC and PAPFC to exist, that’s why it is a great idea to wear the 1890’s state jumper. Its about celebrating the past players and representatives from the state of South Australia and consequently who gave the Adelaide Football Club life.

Not every player to pull on the state jumper was all- Australian or even worthy of the honour but when they did they wore it with pride just as the player you mentioned will (Reilly, Skipworth, Doughty and Perrie) DT, because it symbolic of the states football culture and heritage.

I am extremely proud of what the Adelaide Football Club has achieved in its 15 years since inception but I am not going to forget about the past that made a sacrifice to allow the formation to be created.
 
Funny how things go. Wasnt anymore than 3 weeks ago that numerous people arked up on here after Captain Ebert or someone called you a state team. "we have never been a state side and are completely different". Now some of the same people are applauding that and saying its a good idea?!?!

I think its poor. State jumper is just that, the State jumper. Crows have no right wearing it, just like any Victorian club has no right wearing the Big V.
 
crows98 said:
It about celebrating the past (should I celebrate ANZAC day because I was not born when it happened? Absolutely I should because it is part of our culture and heritage) ...
Bad example. Try turning up to the march wearing your grandfather's service medals on your left lapel and see how far you get :p
crows98 said:
...and the Adelaide Crows are a child of the South Australian National Football League and the state jumper is part of there culture and heritage...
What is wrong with the Crows (or Port) wearing the State jumper, any State jumper:

1. The players are not entitled to wear that jumper, the club is not entitled to wear that jumper.
- How would it be if Canterbury in the NRL decided to wear NSW SOO jumpers for one game, for some reason? Or if Arsenal wanted to wear the England shirt when they played a European Cup tie? Nope.

2. Far from celebrating our heritage, or our forefathers, or whatever, it makes us look less like a club and more like a franchise. We are NOT a part of the SANFL, we are NOT a "franchise". OK, technically some of those things are true (and they are true for Port also) but first and foremost, this is (and wants to be seen as) a football club. That club can quite happily own the fact that its history is short, when that history is already littered with honours for the team and its players.

We could reach back and wear the jumper of the earlier AFC from the turn of the 20th century, why not, our namesakes from the past, but that is where it should end.

And in fact, the fact that we don't have a heritage jumper after 15 years is something to be proud of. As has been pointed out elsewhere, at least, unlike the Weagles for example, we are still playing in our original strip. :)
 
Well done to Triggy for telling M Williams & Port Adelaide to mind their own business & butt out as it's got nothing to do with them, in fact he even said that PA could do what they liked in regards to their own heritage jumper design & that he couldn't care less one way or the other.


Even though i coudn't give a rats toss about this heritage round the new design of our heritage jumper does look pretty good & the more you look at it the more it grows on you. :)
 

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Macca19 said:
Funny how things go. Wasnt anymore than 3 weeks ago that numerous people arked up on here after Captain Ebert or someone called you a state team. "we have never been a state side and are completely different". Now some of the same people are applauding that and saying its a good idea?!?!

I think its poor. State jumper is just that, the State jumper. Crows have no right wearing it, just like any Victorian club has no right wearing the Big V.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think that. It was worn as recently as a month ago by an SANFL representative team which is hardly a state team because it had non South Australians playing in it. It was representing the SANFL and that's all it was. And those games are the only ones where that jumper gets used in senior competition these days.

The Crows were entered initially to represent the SANFL. It's pretty easy to see the link.

I don't want us to wear it, but I can't deny that link to the SANFL.
 
Quote from afc.com.au
"Our objective is quite clear. This club was formed by and from the SANFL and its member clubs and we are proud to recognise that," Trigg said.

"We are not wearing or handing out an authentic or original State jumper. This is an Adelaide Football Club guernsey bearing our monogram and colours but it also acknowledges our SANFL history and where we came from.

"In no way, by the use of this guernsey, are we looking to depict ourselves as the State team. This is absolutely about paying respect and recognising the origins of our club."

I can't really argue with that.
 
arrowman said:
Bad example. Try turning up to the march wearing your grandfather's service medals on your left lapel and see how far you get :p
What is wrong with the Crows (or Port) wearing the State jumper, any State jumper:

1. The players are not entitled to wear that jumper, the club is not entitled to wear that jumper.
- How would it be if Canterbury in the NRL decided to wear NSW SOO jumpers for one game, for some reason? Or if Arsenal wanted to wear the England shirt when they played a European Cup tie? Nope.

2. Far from celebrating our heritage, or our forefathers, or whatever, it makes us look less like a club and more like a franchise. We are NOT a part of the SANFL, we are NOT a "franchise". OK, technically some of those things are true (and they are true for Port also) but first and foremost, this is (and wants to be seen as) a football club. That club can quite happily own the fact that its history is short, when that history is already littered with honours for the team and its players.

We could reach back and wear the jumper of the earlier AFC from the turn of the 20th century, why not, our namesakes from the past, but that is where it should end.

And in fact, the fact that we don't have a heritage jumper after 15 years is something to be proud of. As has been pointed out elsewhere, at least, unlike the Weagles for example, we are still playing in our original strip. :)


Agree that it would be an act of sacrilege if someone wore medals not awarded to them but I can still show my respect and appreciation for what they sacrificed for generations past and present and the way we as a society can live for years to come, something the AFC are trying to do.

The difference in this case is that the jumper the crows are going to wear is not a state jumper it is an adaptation of a state jumper (Adelaide Football Club Guernsey bearing our monogram and colours) worn that represented the SANFL and the last time I checked the AFC is part of the SANFL heritage.
 
noddy said:
Well done to Triggy for telling M Williams & Port Adelaide to mind their own business & butt out as it's got nothing to do with them, in fact he even said that PA could do what they liked in regards to their own heritage jumper design & that he couldn't care less one way or the other.

I might have completely missed something but I cant see what Mark Williams has to do with anything.

I wonder if Trigg will tell the seemingly plenty of Crows supporters not supporting this decision to F off and mind their own business too :rolleyes:

**** - Its still a state side. The State guernsey the Crows want to wear was worn by South Australians only.

I just think the whole concept is wrong. Same as if Freo or West Coast tried to wear the WA guernsey. Its not their right to.
 
noddy said:
Apparently it's on the AFC web site But you can also get a look at it on the web site known as "As the Crows Fly" :)

It's a cracker, I love it and if it p*sses off Port, Port supporters and Rucci isn't that just an added bonus.
 

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