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Hislop's suspension confirmed
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Red Black and Blue
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Dissapointing but glad he took it well. Hope he can still have an impact this year without game time in the preseason
A tough bit of disipline could be the best thing that ever happens to him.
The best sign is that he hasn't sooked about it or complained, he's training hard and getting himself together for round 1.
The best sign is that he hasn't sooked about it or complained, he's training hard and getting himself together for round 1.
i can't figure out if this is good news or bad news. the fears that he wasn't fit or had another niggle have gone, but sometimes an attitude problem can have a bigger effect on one's output than a physical problem can. hopefully he plays some solid footy for bendigo in the opening few rounds.
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I think its great news. I'm thinking here not about the individual player (that must be tough/embarrasing/etc), but about a new culture being established at the club. When both proven and unproven players are copping internal suspensions early, it sets a standard of professionalism that can only be good in the long term...
Although I'm now wondering the real reason McPhee, Fletcher and Winders haven't played a preseason game...
Although I'm now wondering the real reason McPhee, Fletcher and Winders haven't played a preseason game...
Glad thats why he hasnt been playing and that it wasnt a windy hill flu. Looks like the club is uniting well under knighter. Hislop will be part of our midfield and will replace JJ and pev with his hardness on the ball
What makes you think he has an attitude problem?
He had a night out on the drink during pre season and subsequently missed a training session but this hardly constitutes a bad attitude. Maybe he did not display 100% dedication but he is only a kid who is still learning his trade.
Knights summed it up pretty well when he said: "He has been absolutely outstanding, Tom, taken it on the chin and he's all about getting himself right to play good footy when he comes back," Knights said.
If he had an attitute problem he would not have reacted this way.
Knights is a tool! Why would you suspend them from a pissy pre-season comp they probably don't give 2 shit's about when you need to find out what they have to offer you in the season proper and can do so without risking 4 pts. Would of been better to suspend them for the first 3 rounds of the season proper where they could still play Bendigo and hence not stamper their progress.
i didn't say he had an attitude problem. i said that an attitude problem in general can be detrementral. thats why it is probably a good thing that the club have nipped this in the bud before it got out of hand
Best i don't reply to that one
Firstly all players want to play every game.
They prepare all pre season and just want to get out there and get into it.
By supsending them for the NAB cup games, you are in actual fact disciplining them.
Secondly you are contradicting yourself.
You say you are risking 4 points by playing them in a H & A game because you don't know what they can do because they didn't get the chance to prove themselves in the NAB cup, yet you are happy for them to miss H & A games, where their presence would be missed by the whole team, thus risking 4 points.
The standard has been set by the Lovett ban and confirmed by the Hislop one. Everyone will now know where they stand and that can only be a good thing.
monty1104
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I like the fact that Knights is taking a hardline approach. Just for the record, who is in Essendons "leadership group"? I'd assume Lloyd, Lucas, McPhee, Hille and McVeigh. Is there anyone else? I'm just curious, because there hasnt been any press regarding it, in contrast to Carlton's leadership group.
The NAB cup for AFL footballers is like getting a baggy green for 12th man in a test match. You feel good for all of 2 minutes until you realise you haven't acheived anything until your actually playing in the real mccoy.
Neither player is a superstar or even a certain selection for our best team, I doubt very much Lloyd or Fletcher would get a club suspension for missing a training session. Take Steve Johnson as an example, the guy was borderline and probably fighting for his spot in the team in 2006 he stuffs up and gets suspended from playing real footy, he comes back and turns into a player I don't think Geelong even realised he could be. He stuffs up at the end of 2007 but now he's a Norm Smith medalist and a pivotal cog in a premiership team so cops a slap on the wrist.
So have you played NAB cup before?
Longy you probably raise a valid point but I still feel it's detrimental to not only the player but also the team.
SOT4 no i've never played NAB cup never been 12th man in an ashes test either, but it doesn't take a genius to work out what the footballing community think of it. Aker wants it scrapped, Matthews wants it cut to 2 weeks and Roos is facing a possible fine and/or suspension if found guilty of deliberitely throwing the game. Given Sydneys NAB record it's quite possible Roos did tell McVeigh not to score could you imagine him saying that in a home and away game or heaven forbid one of their 2 GF appearances?
Do you think Hird, Archer and Roo sat back with a couple of beers and spoke of there 20 odd NAB cup appearances or their 250+ AFL games and real Premierships.
If it meant anything Lloyd and Fletcher would of played in the semi-final, Houli wouldn't of been rsted and we wouldn't of still had rookies in our team.
SOT4 no i've never played NAB cup never been 12th man in an ashes test either, but it doesn't take a genius to work out what the footballing community think of it. Aker wants it scrapped, Matthews wants it cut to 2 weeks and Roos is facing a possible fine and/or suspension if found guilty of deliberitely throwing the game. Given Sydneys NAB record it's quite possible Roos did tell McVeigh not to score could you imagine him saying that in a home and away game or heaven forbid one of their 2 GF appearances?
Do you think Hird, Archer and Roo sat back with a couple of beers and spoke of there 20 odd NAB cup appearances or their 250+ AFL games and real Premierships.
If it meant anything Lloyd and Fletcher would of played in the semi-final, Houli wouldn't of been rsted and we wouldn't of still had rookies in our team.
If you watch matthew nights' interview on bomber tv he actually says that Lloyd and Fletcher would not have played if it was the season proper, which means to me that they were injured.
So you honestly think an NAB Cup game would mean nothing to a young kid? You're whole argument is stupid. It would most likely mean completely differnet things to veterans such as Lloyd and Fletcher, compared to a kid trying to break into the team.
any footballer when on the field tries close to if not 100%. it doesn't matter what type of game it is. it is just instinct to go for a ball or beat your opponent. i played a praccy game on the weekend and i approached it the same way i would for any game. i wanted to win, i ran hard and i wanted to impress the coaches. the same applies for any afl footballer also. the coaches might not care if they win or not, but the players certainly do. just have a look at how riewoldt reacted after the siren blew last week.
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That's your opinion which your entitled to but facts are on my side. Take Beau Muston for example poor kid has done his knee yet again he played all 3 NAB cup matches yet in every write up you see about it they state he is yet to play an AFL game. Until you get a guernsey in rounds 1-22 or finals your not recognised as having played AFL. Every kids dream is to become an AFL player not a bloke who filled in while someone was rested in the NAB cup.
Hulld agree totally that your going to try 100% once your on the park that has never been in question, what i'm questioning is when is it more important to you to be on the park in the practice matches or the season proper? If you had to chose between playing that practice match on the weekend or playing seniors in round 1 what would you have chosen?
You'd suck it up and try and blow it away in the reserves. It's a reasonable punishment, but it's not going to haunt anyone. Maybe it's a little harder to impress in the reserves than it is in the NAB, given you're not under the coach directly and agaisnt different opposition, but you can do it and will try to do so to break into the first team.
You don't say..
Perhaps I missed the point, but mine was this: Week 1 or week 4, you'll still get a chance in the first team if you play well enough when you do play. No NAB will mean you can't impress as quickly, but if you're keen enough you can manage waiting a bit longer.
You don't say..
Perhaps I missed the point, but mine was this: Week 1 or week 4, you'll still get a chance in the first team if you play well enough when you do play. No NAB will mean you can't impress as quickly, but if you're keen enough you can manage waiting a bit longer.
The point is, and GmeUP read this closely because you have missed it as well, practice matches are important to the young kids partly because they are playing with the senoir team, and partly because they need to press for selection. Missing all of the practice games mean they can't impress and push for selection, as Houli has done. This is why missing all pre season games is a punishment.
