Toast Horse Longmire

[BarneyBent]

embarrassing for you perhaps.

i know very well what cog diss means. like i said, you can't learn without it. it can be appropriate or 'over the top'. i've written many essays on it rather than just googled it to see of i could use it on a forum to impress some meathead football fans.

They can't have been very good essays.

Cognitive dissonance is the sensation when one's concept of the world, or part of it, is contradicted by experience. Yes, it can be a source of learning, when one adapts their view of the world to the new experience. This is the most useful, and also the most difficult, method of cognitive dissonance resolution. However, when one is "blinded" by cognitive dissonance, rather than accept and adapt to the new information, one rejects the information, by rationalising it, flat out ignoring it, whatever. That is exactly what you're doing. It is also the most common context in which cognitive dissonance is referred to, which makes your claim that being blinded by cognitive dissonance is "oxymoronic" extremely odd.

I study psychology, for the record.

 

[Dangas]

sorry. i know everitt did some good things in the 2nd half but he needed to to make up for his first half. disappointed in his consistency.

I'm one to be a critic of Dre, but the "whole" side lifted after the break, clearly he wasn't the only one who had a poor first half.

Horse is a great coach, just like Roosy, still emphasises on our defensive gameplan, but with more spread and run.

 

[scaryness]

Last year I was on the fence about how good of a coach he was, but after yesterdays performance I think he has become a very good coach who could be the next premiership coach, whenever that may be.

 

[baja]

to see of i could use it on a forum to impress some meathead football fans.

All these big words are giving me a headache... Id much rather talk football with a meathead that knows football than someone that uses fancy words to impress. I like simple talk probably why bedford is my favorite poster, whilst he may struggle with words that have more than two syllables(I had to use spell check for that), and not to mention shocking haircut and the fact he wears harry high pants, he actually does know his football.

Meatheads FTW!

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

I like that he always seems to be smirking slightly when he answers the journo's questions. He seems like a very confident and content coach without getting carried away with anything.

As an outsider it appears he has such a good effect on the player group, I haven't seen a happier Sydney team since the 2005 grand final.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Given that he's been there for so long as an assistant he is more-so part of the group than say a Lyon at Freo. He's been there while we were "re-building" and obviously has the kind of relationships with the players which can't be bought. As long as the players like, respect and trust him then I'm happy.

About the only critisim I've had for Horse (and coaching staff, because it's not just him calling the shots) is utilisation of the sub &/or line up in wet weather footy vs. dry weather footy. There's been a couple of wet games were I believe the wrong players have been chosen (i.e. Jesse/Everrit over Moore/bird in the wet) and it's cost us the game (e.g. Adelaide last year). Apart from that, I'm really pleased with how our group is shaping up and the selection of players over the past couple of years. Another feature is the persistance with players like Jetta etc which is now paying dividends.

EDIT: Oh, and gaylordia, I have multiple degrees... Just finishing up another post grad as we type. However I like being a "meathead" and talking to all the other "meatheads" on here. They seem to be able to compose and express themselves very well without the need for crude insults... Instead, generally we opt for a more tactful and subtle form of critisism mate.

 

[RW]

Re Longmire, I've always maintained that you don't play alongside the guy they used to call the King virtually your entire career without learning a thing or two about the game...

But I agree more about his effect on the team, it does seem to be a very happy group.

 

[barry fu]

We should also acknowledge the tight curled one who sits on Longmired's left for the most part.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

We should also acknowledge the tight curled one who sits on Longmired's left for the most part.

..what?

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Horse is having a huge impact in the box.

I see what you did there

 

[SM]

Hmm really



how about



You know, that can be interpreted in a variety of ways. Oh wait



Yes I know you're being sarcastic.

Yeah, that was the whole point. Good thing Vonn picked up on it before anyone thought I was being serious.

I still don't think he's a great coach, I think we're just seeing natural improvement in our players, and as a lot of us agreed before the match Smith as sub was an odd decision. Yes it worked this time but who knows how it'll go next time. Our forward line is still a mess even though there was no secret we had to do something about it. All we need is one game where we score 30 and get smashed because our mids are well held, and the knives for Horse will come out again. It's easy when we have a winning team to think everything is wonderful because, well, it is.

 

[bungee]

Stat. No-one likes the taste of humble pie but it's even worse if you let it go cold.

Horse is a furlong ahead ahead of most other AFL coaches. I have no doubt we'll achieve our best under his guidance. A functioning forward line is shimmering in the distance and it's no mirage. Don't forget that Rohan and Spanker would be standing beside Reid in a perfect world. Injuries (incl. Bradshaw) and the White factor (enormous investment for little return) have slowed the development but Horse has adapted and we are kicking some big scores against staunch opposition. Last weekend he showed he is improving quickly as a tactical game day coach. That's something that comes with the experience of being in the hot seat.

 

[MushroomRocket]

Horse is excellent at match day tactical decisions. he isn't great at getting us to become elite at one game plan ala collingwood but he is good at executing plan b and plan c which gives us versatility. I'm sure in 5 years time he will be one of the top 3-4 coaches in the comp without question.

 

[RW]

Patrick Keane is currently tweeting random stats from the season 2017 AFL Record and Longmire has the third highest winning percentage (68%) ever. Chris Scott is #1 with 72% and Alistair Clarkson is #9 with 64%.

Needs another flag.

 

[bungee]

Patrick Keane is currently tweeting random stats from the season 2017 AFL Record and Longmire has the third highest winning percentage (68%) ever. Chris Scott is #1 with 72% and Alistair Clarkson is #9 with 64%.

Needs another flag.

Yep. Horse has done alright, despite the AFL seemingly having it in for the Swans during his tenure. What with trading bans, home finals played away from home and such obviously biased umpiring. He finds a way to keep us not just competitive but feared by opposition. It takes a lot to get into finals, more to consistently go deep in September and absolutely everything must go right for the major prize. Hawks may have their trifecta but Horse still has us at the top and, a bus crash notwithstanding, will more than likely keep us there long after any current contenders have faded back into the pack. Repeated, sustained success over such a long period runs counter to the AFL dogma of every dog having its day. The legacy of sustained success is inter-generational club support in Sydney. Horse didn't light the flame behind the bloods but he (and others) have built on that until the flames roar. In Sydney (as in the old days of South Melbourne) the Swans are our team. Fans know that any game they go to is more than likely going to make for a happy day out, for Mum, Dad, Granny and the kids. More flags will come.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

The one blip on horse's record is his inability to put together a functioning forward line. Which is ironic given he was a forward himself.

Even in 2012 it was the midfield hitting the scoreboard.

It's partly due to personnel / injuries. However part of me wonders whether he has to start thinking outside the box.

We're consistently breaking down between the midfield and the f50. He's tried several different strategies, but they've all fallen short.

I think 2017 will be our best chance since 2014 to win a premiership. With naismith showing promise, the midfield still at the peak of their powers and the youngsters getting much needed experience. There are no excuses in 2017.

 

[BloodySwan]

The one blip on horse's record is his inability to put together a functioning forward line. Which is ironic given he was a forward himself.

Even in 2012 it was the midfield hitting the scoreboard.

It's partly due to personnel / injuries. However part of me wonders whether he has to start thinking outside the box.

We're consistently breaking down between the midfield and the f50. He's tried several different strategies, but they've all fallen short.

I think 2017 will be our best chance since 2014 to win a premiership. With naismith showing promise, the midfield still at the peak of their powers and the youngsters getting much needed experience. There are no excuses in 2017.

It might sound odd but I believe the reason our forwards have never clicked is due to our midfield. While we have a great midfield unit not many of them have ever been good kicks. If you can't deliver the ball very well your forwards will look very ordinary.

Time and time again we rely on our key forwards taking pack marks to kick goals (this is why a fit Reid is important to us). Check out West Coast in 05-06. They had a pretty average forward group who looked amazing because their midfields could bring it straight to them.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

It might sound odd but I believe the reason our forwards have never clicked is due to our midfield. While we have a great midfield unit not many of them have ever been good kicks. If you can't deliver the ball very well your forwards will look very ordinary.

Time and time again we rely on our key forwards taking pack marks to kick goals (this is why a fit Reid is important to us). Check out West Coast in 05-06. They had a pretty average forward group who looked amazing because their midfields could bring it straight to them.

totally agree, which is why i suggested horse may need to think outside the box. you work to your strengths and try to cover your weaknesses. the standard midfield to forward delivery isnt working for us and hasnt worked for a long time.

the question is, how do you overcome that. i think the answer is more run and carry from the midfield to forward line. the difficulty with that is a) our run and carry game needs tweeking
b) when you use this sort if strategy, its likely that the zone becomes congested and blocks easy avenues to goal.

i dont really know the answer, im not knowledgable enough about strategy. what i do know is the system we have currently isnt working, and it becomes apparent particularly when the mids arent dominating. if our midfiekd break even, were pretty much uneffective.

 

[bungee]

Horse has let Mitchell go. That should help our inside 50 delivery now that up-and-under boy has gone to plague the Hawks.

GoTheSwannies. It's a bit harsh to ever say 'no excuses this year' as far as a premiership goes. Horse could do everything pretty much perfectly but there will still be a dozen things out of his control. Getting the team to the big dance is hard enough. It takes near perfect football and near perfect luck through the entire finals series. I'd say top 4 and the second chance is about as much as is under the team's control. The rest is partially up to the footy gods, the vagaries of the AFL, player's health, umpiring, a good night's sleep, an argument with the missus, a bus breakdown and a patch of mud in the goal square that may or may not cause a player to slip during a crucial moment.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Horse has let Mitchell go. That should help our inside 50 delivery now that up-and-under boy has gone to plague the Hawks.

GoTheSwannies. It's a bit harsh to ever say 'no excuses this year' as far as a premiership goes. Horse could do everything pretty much perfectly but there will still be a dozen things out of his control. Getting the team to the big dance is hard enough. It takes near perfect football and near perfect luck through the entire finals series. I'd say top 4 and the second chance is about as much as is under the team's control. The rest is partially up to the footy gods, the vagaries of the AFL, player's health, umpiring, a good night's sleep, an argument with the missus, a bus breakdown and a patch of mud in the goal square that may or may not cause a player to slip during a crucial moment.

Agreed. I wasn't referring directly to horse with that comment. But the team as a whole.

To win a premiership you need a fit list and a bit of luck on your side. If enough things fall in to place we have the team to go all the way.

I'm optimistic about our chances. We need the senior players driving the whole team to win at all costs.

 

[sataris]

Nah,

Just need the umps on our side.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Nah,

Just need the umps on our side.

Actually need the whole team to step up and stop relying on Kennedy and Franklin to drag us over?

2 midfielders kicked 50% of our score Kennedy 3 and Mitchell 2.

Franklin 1
Tippett 0
Heeney 0
Rohan 1
Papley 0
Smith! 1

That was our problem right there.

 

[bungee]

Actually need the whole team to step up and stop relying on Kennedy and Franklin to drag us over?

2 midfielders kicked 50% of our score Kennedy 3 and Mitchell 2.

Franklin 1
Tippett 0
Heeney 0
Rohan 1
Papley 0
Smith! 1

That was our problem right there.

Yep, need to get more from the fringe and more from good players who really let us down. Our great players rarely do. Good players like Rohan, need to finally make the step up to greatness. When he's on fire he's a thing of beauty and a joy to behold. Tippet was so consistently good early in the season (pre-injury) that I can excuse him. Papley was simply over-awed. Smith rarely has a bad one.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Of all those players. Papley probably had the opportunity to have the most impact but was just too green and couldnt rise to the occasion. He had multiple chances but just fell short with each one.

Mcglynn was invisible. The gf proved he was past his prime. He spent the game chasing without managing to have an impact on the game.

Rohan had a shocker. He's one player who really needs to develop some consistency, and also needs to produce in the finals.

 

[Jack2Jack]

The reality is Horse has probably been our best coach, he's been very good at evolving the side, gives young players a go if they perform and transitions the older players out as needed (sometimes somewhat ruthlessly, but it's what's needed) which has probably extended our window a little and helped us through a trade ban, when maybe a few other clubs clung onto their elder players longer than they should have (in Hawthorns case they were winning flags so understandable for them, not for a couple others though).

The game-plan is sound/strong but probably the main criticism is when we lose, we seem to lose because of the same mistakes over and over. Who do you put that on though, coaches or players?
The defence almost always does was needed (largely because of our team defence rather than individuals), the forward line can be spasmodic we've seen what it can do at times (sometimes against good sides too), the centre clearance setup can be an issue when Kennedy doesn't get involved, there can be too many centre clearances given away.
The side lives and dies by our midfield though and it's our link between it and the forward line which is usually what burns us...and probably why we usually look better when the mids do a majority of the scoring and we're not relying on the link between the two so much. When the mids are up and going we score heavily, quite often through sheer quantity of entries, we move the ball quickly and lock the ball where we want it because of strong defence. When someone breaks even with the mids the forwards go too high up and we rely heavily on the defence and the scoring becomes excruciatingly stagnant because we (generally) rely on quantity not quality.

It's obvious Horse is fully aware of our decencies, he wants to add more quality - you can see that through selection this year, but he has built a game plan to suit our current senior group accordingly and done very well, considering moat clubs with our efficiency %'s finish down the other end of the ladder. I thought the coaching last year was very good, much improved on 2015 (and we still finished 5th that year, despite being 'poor'). Horse is a very good coach, one of the best currently going around, but unfortunately, like the side/club in general, a 2nd flag is needed to vindicate what really should (and really still has been) our best ever era/window in (Sydney) club history. Otherwise, fairly or unfairly, history probably ends with the side being seen in a negative light as massive underachievers (ala Port 2001-2004).