How deep can we cut?

[Quinz]

Greetings citizens.

With the departure of several senior players in Butler, Priddis, Mitchell and Petrie we have some serious thinking to do about our future.

With the use of Redden and Sheed in more prominent midfield roles we hopefully will not lose too much from Priddis. Mitchell had several matches of genius but was not the same old Mitchell from the Hawks.

Some of the pressure should be taken off by the return of NN and Lycett. Vardy has been solid but not great, and ideally he is depth to put pressure on Lycett.

Our inability to win clearances and generate inside fifties has hit a crisis point. We have to do everything in our power in the off season to attract either a) a genuine a Grade mid (not Wellingham Redden Jetta style) or b) a gun midfield coach

With that in mind, and knowing that the coaching staff probably still wants us to contend and won't cut to the bone, which of the underperforming senior players would you move on in the offseason:

- Lecras
- Masten
- Schofield
- Wellingham
- Hill
- Giles
- Mackenzie

And in my mind you could add Lamb, Cripps, Hutchings to that list.

 

[fidstar]

Just Hill.

Obliviously if you can get a good trade for some of the others, go for it, but don't just chop them.

5 changes is a lot for any team. Throw in some rookies and whatever and that's a big turnover from one year to the next.

edit - yes, obviously Giles gone. I missed that...

 

[ziad]

Lecras - depth only and can not stand up in big games - 50% WAFL next year
Masten gone - un-tradeable
Schofield & Wellingham - depth only and can not stand up in big games - 50% WAFL next year (let him go if he wants)
Hill - gone
Giles Gone
Mackenzie - valuable player who frees up the others
Cripps- trade as he is a gimp
Hutchings - depth only

 

[Eaglespur]

Lecras - depth only and can not stand up in big games - 50% WAFL next year
Masten gone - un-tradeable
Schofield & Wellingham - depth only and can not stand up in big games - 50% WAFL next year (let him go if he wants)
Hill - gone
Giles Gone
Mackenzie - valuable player who frees up the others
Cripps- trade as he is a gimp
Hutchings - depth only

When you say gone are you suggesting we pay out players with multiple year contracts?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Lecras surely must go, it's painfully obvious and has been all year

Personally i'm over Mackenzie. Just such an unconvincing player these days, but i'd prefer to have him on the list as depth

Hillydardz has his papers clearly stamped

Marsden is almost in the same boat as Hill, although i think they'll retain him as depth. Would love a trade.

Schofield should have been traded if Mackenzie wasn't. Probably past the point now and should only be retained if we haven't drafted a developing KPD

Cripps i'd love to move on from but he's not going to be cut, or traded. HOPEFULLY he's not starting next year ahead of Rioli and Venables

Hutchings baffles week in week out by not only the fact he's still on the list, let alone getting a starting gig. Will be retained again

Wellingham SHOULD be cut. If the club is serious about rebuilding i'd consider his departure a sign they aren't messing around

Giles is practically dead and will off the list in the next week or so i'd say

 

[Jandamarra]

I really want us to get rid of Giles, LeCras and Masten.

Cutting Giles is an obvious one.

Getting rid of LeCras and Masten may be a little more contentious but I think they are utterly inept at AFL level.

I expect LeCras to drop off of a cliff next year. If we keep him I hope a) his output this year is reflective of the fact he's been battling a serious hip injury and b) he can get that shit sorted.

Masten is just a c grade midfielder who lacks the physicality or skill to be a good midfielder at AFL level. I also suspect he is the type of player/person which contributes to our playing lists weak mindset. Might be harsh but just a feeling. Sure we could keep him as depth but the opportunity cost of keeping him is a list spot being occupied by a young kid that might show something.

Keep the rest. We will most likely delist Hill tho - forever the scape goat and he will die for the sins of Lecca and Crippa. Good night my sweet prince.

 

[liam123]

I'm happy for them to delist anyone who isn't worth draft picks.

I'm happy for them to trade anyone providing they get decent return and potential for future success (including A graders)

IMO we need 3 A graders through the middle who are relatively balanced with their inside and outside games. Also 2 decent crumbing forwards who provide pressure.

I might be overly optimistic but I'm going to assume rioli and venables fill 2/5 of that need.

To get the other 3 I'm happy to give up any of the players from the OP and then some including gaff

Tunners, mcinnes and snadden gone off the rookie list too plz. I'd rather take punts on vague prospects as I'm pretty sure we know what we are getting with these 3

 

[Brolga]

Can anyone detail current lengths of contract for our squad? We are unlikely to cut contracted players and some more may be put on one year contracts going forwards.

As usual there will be those who have been carrying injuries of which we are unaware either of the nature or impact upon their performance.

Brophy is still on our list so if he and Giles (keeping Vardy as back up to NN and Lycett) are added to the definites (Mitchell Priddis Petrie Butler) that means 6 definite changes to main list. Unlikely there will be carnage on top of this, however big calls needed on whether players like McInnes and Lamb are the way forward. Also which of the "depth" players in Wellingham, Masten, Schofield, Hutchings and Hill will keep developing players too far down the list. JK is not getting younger and we need to have a project FF as well as midfielders. Very little trade bait, most would be the steak knives thrown in on top of an offer.

 

[Doughboy]

Don't really care who they cut, but ffs can we get some effing midfielders

 

[WCErevival]

Can anyone detail current lengths of contract for our squad? We are unlikely to cut contracted players and some more may be put on one year contracts going forwards.

As usual there will be those who have been carrying injuries of which we are unaware either of the nature or impact upon their performance.

Brophy is still on our list so if he and Giles (keeping Vardy as back up to NN and Lycett) are added to the definites (Mitchell Priddis Petrie Butler) that means 6 definite changes to main list. Unlikely there will be carnage on top of this, however big calls needed on whether players like McInnes and Lamb are the way forward. Also which of the "depth" players in Wellingham, Masten, Schofield, Hutchings and Hill will keep developing players too far down the list. JK is not getting younger and we need to have a project FF as well as midfielders. Very little trade bait, most would be the steak knives thrown in on top of an offer.

Brophy was a cat b rookie so losing him almost has no effect

 

[Hairy Lager]

And in my mind you could add Lamb, Cripps, Hutchings to that list.

- Lecras - Retire
- Masten - Trade, steak knifes
- Schofield - Trade
- Wellingham - Trade, steak knifes
- Hill - Delist
- Giles - Delist
- Mackenzie - Keep

Lamb ( develop), Cripps (depth), Hutchings (tagger)- Keep

 

[Suma Magic]

 

[Barrybran]

Using OP's list

- Lecras - open to keeping him on the list as depth but shouldn't get a game unless Rioli, Partington, Venebales, etc are injured
- Masten - no use to us anymore; would be valuable to one of the Queensland teams while their young guys develop; keep on the list as depth under the same conditions as LeCras if a trade cannot be made
- Schofield - still AFL quality but surplus to requirements with Barass' development would be a good addition to a team like Collingwood while they develop youth
- Wellingham - same as Masten
- Hill - a passenger for far too long; needs to go
- Giles - keep*
- Mackenzie - keep

Giles might be an odd one to keep but we get Nic and Lycett back next season and they would have to be tremendously unlucky to spend long periods on the sidelines again. Vardy has been immense for us this year and deserves a spot in our starting 22 but realistically, we have no place for him. That leaves a 26 year-old AFL-quality ruckman lingering in the WAFL. I say we thank Vardy for his service and cash in on what will be his highest value and keep Giles. Obviously there's also the issue of Fraser McInnes, who will be looking for more opportunities, but we don't need another Callum Sinclair situation by holding onto Vardy longer than we should.

I don't think our midfield is in as bad a shape as some. Nic coming back will change the dynamic tremendously, Duggan hits the magic 50-game milestone next year, Sheed hit it this year and Redden has already stepped into the role occupied by Mitchell/Priddis for most of this year. We are not going to find A-grade talent in free agency and we don't have the assets to bring someone in through a trade. Partington and Cole should get more game time and Venebles is due for a run next year as well. Our tall forwards (JK, Darling, Lycett) will thrive off better entries from a Nic/Lycett-led midfield but our small forwards pose a problem. LeCras and Hill need to go, Cripps has struggled this year but will stay on so our young guys need to played and we probably need to target small forward types from WA on the fringe of other lists looking for opportunities. I think we should do what we can to bring Brandon Matera in without paying overs.

 

[Altum Volantes]

- Lecras - Has to go. He's been a great player for the club but he's cooked. Hopefully this is obvious to all.
- Masten - Trade without hesitation if someone actually wants him. Retain if we are stuck with his contract. Delist if we aren't.
- Schofield - Trade Block for sure (I think there will be some interest). Assess value to trade/retain for depth.
- Wellingham - If they are being serious, he goes...but considering he was just recalled for a final, I think he'll stay.
- Hill - Clearly gone.
- Giles - I would assume also gone.
- Mackenzie - Retain. Showed enough to suggest he can still play and Barrass is not quite there yet.

The other name not yet mention is Andrew Gaff. Put him on the trading block and see if there is a mediocre Vic side willing to cough up a late first round pick. He is absolute fools gold and despite to lack of talent in the middle, he's expendable.

 

[wadistance]

Not keen on losing McKenzie and Schofield in the same window


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[Eaglespur]

- Lecras - Retire
- Masten - Trade, steak knifes
- Schofield - Trade
- Wellingham - Trade, steak knifes
- Hill - Delist
- Giles - Delist
- Mackenzie - Keep

Lamb ( develop), Cripps (depth), Hutchings (tagger)- Keep

Wellingham doesn't have a contract right ?

 

[suntagonal]

- Lecras - Has to go. He's been a great player for the club but he's cooked. Hopefully this is obvious to all.
- Masten - Trade without hesitation if someone actually wants him. Retain if we are stuck with his contract. Delist if we aren't.
- Schofield - Trade Block for sure (I think there will be some interest). Assess value to trade/retain for depth.
- Wellingham - If they are being serious, he goes...but considering he was just recalled for a final, I think he'll stay.
- Hill - Clearly gone.
- Giles - I would assume also gone.
- Mackenzie - Retain. Showed enough to suggest he can still play and Barrass is not quite there yet.

The other name not yet mention is Andrew Gaff. Put him on the trading block and see if there is a mediocre Vic side willing to cough up a late first round pick. He is absolute fools gold and despite to lack of talent in the middle, he's expendable.

Kasey Green disagrees... Hopefully they remember Kasey Green

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[Bleedblueandgold]

The problem with Lecca as depth is that I simply cannot see him playing in the WAFL week to week, unlike a Masten, Schofield, Wellingham or even Emac. If they tell him that he'll definitely be depth, I think that he'll walk.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Kasey Green disagrees... Hopefully they remember Kasey Green

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Any specific point that Kasey disagrees with?

Edit - ahhh post 05 GF??

 

[Barrybran]

The problem with Lecca as depth is that I simply cannot see him playing in the WAFL week to week, unlike a Masten, Schofield, Wellingham or even Emac. If they tell him that he'll definitely be depth, I think that he'll walk.

Which is what should happen. We have a couple of years left of JK and Hurn, possibly 3-4 years of elite Nic/Shuey and not a lot to replace any of them. We need to pump games into the kids and if Lecca chooses to retire instead of play WAFL then so be it. I don't think we're a contender in 2018 but there should be a small window in 2019/2020 depending on JK's form.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Simpson won't play lecras as depth. Lecras continued to get games this season despite putrid form. He went 5 games without a goal. He became very selfish and just started taking pot shots from everywhere in the hope of snagging one. That first goal last night was a pot shot.

Simpson doesn't have the cojones to be head coach. He can't sack players. He begged priddis to retire. Lecras will go around yet another 2 years. Simpson even started playing 3 rucks to keep Cox going around. Useless head coach. Simpson is a follower, a yes man - an assistant coach.

 

[Quinz]

Any specific point that Kasey disagrees with?

He just doesn't like you in general.

 

[eagles rule]

Wellingham doesn't have a contract right ?

Been offered 1 yr buts wants 2 yrs IIRC ..

 

[boondy]

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well this maks sense . Time to pay back the losers who make him look bad . If he keeps them then he is a loser as well.

 

[Hairy Lager]

Wellingham doesn't have a contract right ?

Yeap outta contract.