Mega Thread WCE: When is the first win? How do we fix this mess? Can we see any improvement at all?

[Cuzz09]

woo we got a fri night game v gws

 

[ioppolo]

I'm posting this to purely ruffle some feathers. Interesting none the less.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I'm posting this to purely ruffle some feathers. Interesting none the less.

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Was already posted in another thread lol.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Daicos at 10? Kinda shows you the efficiency stats are bullshit.

If an in-and-under midfielder gets plenty of ball, but is always releasing it under pressure... it stands to reason they'll miss targets more regularly.

That said, apparently a kick to a 50/50 contest is sufficient to be considered "efficient"... so there's probably a few players with stats that flatter them. I'm getting sick and tired of Duggan constantly doing a dump kick from deep inside the defensive 50 the moment he gets the ball. Given our lack of contest, it almost always comes back immediately with interest. But because it's going to a 50/50 contest, or even open space, it's probably considered "efficient".

To be fair, that's almost certainly a team strategy that he's been directed to do. But it just doesn't feel sustainable. We need some small/mid backmen that are poised in getting the ball out of defence. What we wouldn't do for a Lewis Jetta these days.

 

[Marlin01]

In terms of improvement, the stat I’d like to see is the number of “dump kicks” each game. I think that’s the biggest single indicator of how we are playing as a team.

Does anyone know if there’s a “kicks under pressure” stat or something like that?

 

[lmach]

Daicos at 10? Kinda shows you the efficiency stats are bullshit.

If an in-and-under midfielder gets plenty of ball, but is always releasing it under pressure... it stands to reason they'll miss targets more regularly.

That said, apparently a kick to a 50/50 contest is sufficient to be considered "efficient"... so there's probably a few players with stats that flatter them. I'm getting sick and tired of Duggan constantly doing a dump kick from deep inside the defensive 50 the moment he gets the ball. Given our lack of contest, it almost always comes back immediately with interest. But because it's going to a 50/50 contest, or even open space, it's probably considered "efficient".

To be fair, that's almost certainly a team strategy that he's been directed to do. But it just doesn't feel sustainable. We need some small/mid backmen that are poised in getting the ball out of defence. What we wouldn't do for a Lewis Jetta these days.

Simmo made a good point in the Freo game last week about how Collingwood's first instinct in the D50 is to always handball before kicking, whereas ours is to just get it out of there as quick as possible. Wish we'd take a leaf out of their book. It can be risky at times but usually the worst result is you give it to someone under pressure and they get tackled = ball up.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Simmo made a good point in the Freo game last week about how Collingwood's first instinct in the D50 is to always handball before kicking, whereas ours is to just get it out of there as quick as possible. Wish we'd take a leaf out of their book. It can be risky at times but usually the worst result is you give it to someone under pressure and they get tackled = ball up.

Collingwood have more players capable of making good decisions under pressure. Not defending McQualter's tactics... but I can see why they think the dump kick might be more reliable. But at 0-9, you'd think they might change-up the strategy.

EDIT: I've noticed Maric doing it a fair bit too. Feel like Duggan and Maric have been determined as the players to get the ball out of defence. Problem is, a dump-kick is a dump-kick. Could come from someone with elite skills, if they aren't looking at where they are kicking, it's going to fail.

 

[Westend]

Reckon this will be it ....if we can't win this one might as well turn off the tv for the rest of the year

 

[Cuzz09]

I'm posting this to purely ruffle some feathers. Interesting none the less.

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I think they need to do a stat "worst kicks under 20 metres" We miss some bad short passes.

Also top 10 handballs missed

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Daicos at 10? Kinda shows you the efficiency stats are bullshit.

If an in-and-under midfielder gets plenty of ball, but is always releasing it under pressure... it stands to reason they'll miss targets more regularly.

That said, apparently a kick to a 50/50 contest is sufficient to be considered "efficient"... so there's probably a few players with stats that flatter them. I'm getting sick and tired of Duggan constantly doing a dump kick from deep inside the defensive 50 the moment he gets the ball. Given our lack of contest, it almost always comes back immediately with interest. But because it's going to a 50/50 contest, or even open space, it's probably considered "efficient".

To be fair, that's almost certainly a team strategy that he's been directed to do. But it just doesn't feel sustainable. We need some small/mid backmen that are poised in getting the ball out of defence. What we wouldn't do for a Lewis Jetta these days.

It's a stat that doesn't mean much without further examination - i doubt clubs are relying on that stat in isolation.

It should really be broken into something like:

• disposal to advantage (recieved by teammate)
• neutral disposal (50/50 or contest - e.g. directly results in throw in, ball up)
• disposal to disadvantage (Opposition gain possession)

But even then it's not clear whether the disposal was actually effective or an advantageous choice - e.g. a hospital handball would be effective but in reality it was a poor choice.

Everything with a grain of salt

 

[flyinghi64]

I'm posting this to purely ruffle some feathers. Interesting none the less.

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My man, top of the list.
A couple of Brownlow favourites in that top 10 so musn't be a bad list to lead

 

[Astro7]

Reckon this will be it ....if we can't win this one might as well turn off the tv for the rest of the year

A tad fatalistic...anything could happen between now and round 23/4

 

[Tugga27]

Reckon this will be it ....if we can't win this one might as well turn off the tv for the rest of the year

Gee, you're glutton for punishment Westy.

We're just not good enough to expect a win against anyone.
You can think we're a chance, but that's about it.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I'm posting this to purely ruffle some feathers. Interesting none the less.

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Miss-hit midget mofo has deformed ears.

 

[HungLong]

I'm posting this to purely ruffle some feathers. Interesting none the less.

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[Westend]

Gee, you're glutton for punishment Westy.

We're just not good enough to expect a win against anyone.
You can think we're a chance, but that's about it.

the weather is going to be nice ...so thats a positive ...thats why we can win...need to hold onto something tuggs

yeah but seriously just want a win ..its getting a bit same same ...I know the lads are on the right track and I agree with what Mini is doing....but I just want a win ...

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

If they can't win for the coach maybe they can do it for Adam.

 

[beatlesmith]

Off topic but when will we have our first 30+ disposal winner of the year?

Our last was Kelly in round 21 last year.

Kelly had 30+ three times last season, with Duggan, Witherden and Hunt reaching 30 once each.

I could see Baker or Maric having a big game somewhere but nobody else seems particularly likely.

 

[Patron]

No idea when the eagles are going to get a win - even Waalitj Marawar got more wins than we have this year

 

[jdisc]

flights to melb in September?

 

[Smotie2]

I reckon we will win our first game against the saints by 28 points

 

[kid_a]

My first live Eagles for over a year (I work FIFO)

Broke into to tears when the siren went

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Close this thread.

 

[MrPenguin]

Jumping on now to book my flights for September! Choo Choo!

 

[MeltMan]

Vale first win of the season thread. i dont think ive ever posted in here before today.