How do we avoid a Frawley situation

[1980GFVideo]

Never want to be in the position of vying for a coach and finding that we are being rejected or beaten to coaches by another team.

.. and then being left with FFFFFFFFFF. (cant say the word - what was that word that the Fonz couldnt say)

Teams that might be changing could be.....

Collingwood. however it would be a straight swap for Buckley.

Port Adelaide - They have a low tolerance to failure and not unreasonable for Willo to be given flick two years after making a Grand Final.
I think we would be more attractive to a coach than them though.

So no real competition at the end of the year. Harvey,Bailey and Worsfold could absorb another failed year.

The question is, do we wait for the end of the season or is there any reason to tie up a coach before the end of the season?

It would seem we would have the pick of the field to ourselves and by keeping Wallace to the end of his contract and simply not re-signing him would make us look better to prospective coaches.

We need to be seen to have some class in our treatment of the coach if the ones we want will touch us.

 

[gaelictiogar]

No. What we need is a 100 point hammering byGeelond. I really mean that. If Geelong rape us as they will if they want to, we have a doorway opened to force the powers that be to axe Terry and bring in Sheedy as a caretaker til the end of the season.

If we only lose by 30 or 40 to the Cats and Dogs then Terry might hang on pointlessly getting one or two wins and finishing 12th or 13th as usual. Why wait? Pay Terry off, wish him well and get Sheeds in short term. At least he knows how to motivate and he is a Tiger.

Since we have no hope of beating Geelong and since we will effectively be out of the running when the Dogs beat us I want us to get something positive out of being 0-3 and the only way for that to happen is if the defeats are so awful that the bosses have to act.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

We will have no trouble attracting a good coach to Tigerland if the board heads in that direction. On Wednesday upon reading our line up for Thursday nights game , I was creaming my pants as we have a brilliant list. Just think we also have Cotchin , Connors , Patto and Johnston to come into that side.

I always thought this was the year were Wallace would stamp his authority after taking the time to build a very competitive list and that all his knockers would get egg on their face and he'd get to enjoy the spoils of alot of hard work and rebuilding. Unfortunately , Thursday night was the worse display by any football team in the modern era any one has ever seen and I'm disgusted at the crap that went on.

Unfortunately I think Terry has left himself open to be the next Peter Rhodes. Peter will go down as the man that built the Doggies list but never got the chance to enjoy the spoils of finals footy. Wallace will be the same in my opinion. Thursday night was a disgrace and any other word you can think of that means a total pile of shit.

Wallace has to live or die by his sword this year because he finally has the cattle. After watching that poo on Thursday night he deserves to be booted out of the club , docked of his last 5 months pay and banished to Aus kick for the rest of his career.

If he can turn it around good on him but I don't have any faith any more after such a performance.

The players can kick themselves in the arse as well. We should have at least 4 changes going into the game against the cats. i know that won't happen but really , players need to be accountable for their ridiculous disposal , decision making and worst of all choking on what should of been one of the greatest nights in our clubs history.

Oh yeh , get rid of the medical staff as well.

 

[telsor]

Yes, and sacking coaches mid-season ( early season? ) does so much to inspire quality coaches to come our way....

 

[tigerdan]

We should think of it in terms of what needs to happen to prevent us from sacking Wallace?'

I don't believe sacking coaches helps except in the most dire of situations, like when the coach completely gives up hope.

Although you'd think it unlikely, if we win the next few the pressure will be off and we can look at things rationally not emotively.

This isn't that different to what, 2-3 years ago when we got belted by the bulldogs.

It was a humiliation and i'm damn glad I was on an oil rig on the other side of the world, not sitting in the stands.

We can recover from this (after all it was only one game), but it is not the kind of start you'd like.

Being a Richmond supporter is like going blind or becoming disabled. After a while you just get used to the pain and think it's normal.

 

[1980GFVideo]

No. What we need is a 100 point hammering byGeelond. I really mean that.

Its funny but I felt that way once in all my time barracking for Richmond and I felt sick because of it.

It was during Frawleys last year.

I was ashamed but Frawleys time was a time of shame.

Everyone was saying we had to keep him in the place until the end of the year and club was prepared to do that but I just wanted him out of the door. I felt that he was killing us for the future each day he was in there.

Its a tricky balance.

The question is whether Wallace is a negative for us which means you would move him on during the season or is he simply not up to it which means he wont do us any damage but wont move us up the ladder.

Just on another note, do you feel Frawley is one of the reasons we went for a slick salesman like Wallace rather than someone who could have done a better job?

Frawley looked such a bumpkin representing us. Did the club make a selection based on someone that least resembled Frawley.

 

[blackshadow]

Do you guys really think that replacing Wallet with Sheeds would make any significant difference? Sheeds last years at Essendon were pretty lacklustre - while he certainly has skills to offer at Richmond it seems that he is well past his best as a coach.

 

[gaelictiogar]

Its funny but I felt that way once in all my time barracking for Richmond and I felt sick because of it.

It was during Frawleys last year.

I was ashamed but Frawleys time was a time of shame.

Everyone was saying we had to keep him in the place until the end of the year and club was prepared to do that but I just wanted him out of the door. I felt that he was killing us for the future each day he was in there.

Its a tricky balance.

The question is whether Wallace is a negative for us which means you would move him on during the season or is he simply not up to it which means he wont do us any damage but wont move us up the ladder.

Just on another note, do you feel Frawley is one of the reasons we went for a slick salesman like Wallace rather than someone who could have done a better job?

Frawley looked such a bumpkin representing us. Did the club make a selection based on someone that least resembled Frawley.

I think you are right in that we went for the "anti-Frawley" when we appointed Terry. He talked a good talk, looked presentable and sounded plausible.

However let's be honest we are hearing all sorts of BS about the team not handling the pressure.....after 5 years of Terry they can't handle the pressure!!! Didn't Terry take the job instead of Hawthorn because he wanted to succeed at a giant club which was asleep? Wasn't that part of the salespitch? Well 5 years later and the team he built can't handle playing before the Tiger Army. Farce.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Do you guys really think that replacing Wallet with Sheeds would make any significant difference? Sheeds last years at Essendon were pretty lacklustre - while he certainly has skills to offer at Richmond it seems that he is well past his best as a coach.

I couldn't think of anything worse then having Sheedy coaching the side.
Maybe 10 years ago, but people who want him coaching in any role obviously are living off his past glories.
Look at the star recruits he picked up in his final years as coach. Blokes who were 30+ has beens are just complete duds

 

[Rayzorwire]

We will have no trouble attracting a good coach to Tigerland if the board heads in that direction.

That's totally delusional TT.

No quality coach will want to endure the guaranteed 'success immediately' demands from our coterie groups, our board, or our supporters, and numerous players on our list are renowned for letting their coach down when it counts.

If we don't renew Wallace's contract at the end of the year, we'll be very lucky to attract someone with the 'talent' of Frawley, Bailey or Harvey.

Wallace took us on because he was big enough to wear an endless amount of crap, big enough to take on the challenge of returning the league's basket case back to where it once belonged, and secure enough in his job prospects if it all went to hell.

No genuinely talented young coach wants their career ruined by the coach killers at Richmond, no experienced veteran (bar perhaps the increasingly delusional Sheedy) would touch us and effectively volunteer to have their reputation dragged through the mud.

Wallace put his reputation on the line to coach us because he had the guts and self-belief - dozens offered the position over the last few decades have refused because they don't have that guts and self-belief, or just have way better options.

If we get rid of him we'll find out very fast just how unattractive the position of coaching Richmond really is.

We should know that by now, but somehow Richmond people continue to delude themselves into thinking that coaching our club is something other than a poisoned chalice.

 

[Tigertom]

Round four could decide TW's fate.

Four "possible" sucsessive losses and a loss to last years spooners would just about bring down the house.

I would expect a proffessional board would allready have plans A, B and C in the drawer ready.

Plan A would be a result of a successful season and a contract extention

Plan B would be a list of possible replacement coaches and their strengths

Plan C would be a possible interim replacement in the event TW doesn't see out the year.

As for my picks;

Untried coach - Hardwick or Buckley

Proven coach - Mathews or Thomas(c'mon he was doing ok until he fell out with Butters)

Media mouths - Lyon or Bradshaw (these blokes know so much but aren't willing to step up and have a go)

Just my two cents worth

 

[dean33]

No. What we need is a 100 point hammering byGeelond. I really mean that. If Geelong rape us as they will if they want to, we have a doorway opened to force the powers that be to axe Terry and bring in Sheedy as a caretaker til the end of the season.

If we only lose by 30 or 40 to the Cats and Dogs then Terry might hang on pointlessly getting one or two wins and finishing 12th or 13th as usual. Why wait? Pay Terry off, wish him well and get Sheeds in short term. At least he knows how to motivate and he is a Tiger.

Since we have no hope of beating Geelong and since we will effectively be out of the running when the Dogs beat us I want us to get something positive out of being 0-3 and the only way for that to happen is if the defeats are so awful that the bosses have to act.

This is the sort of crap that shits me to tears. sack the coach get sheedy, he's the saviour our season is shot at 3-0?? I'll admit we are long odds to beat geelong but put in a good effort and then attack the dogs with all we're worth. We can beat them, everyone is already saying we are going to be 0-3. Why?? And even if we are the season is not over... i don't want to see sheedy as coach of us at all. thursday was shattering and I was as disgusted as anyone but its the first rd, lets call it an aberation and see how they respond, we lose big to the cats this week and our problem runs alot deeper then wallace.

 

[deliberate!!]

Do you guys really think that replacing Wallet with Sheeds would make any significant difference? Sheeds last years at Essendon were pretty lacklustre - while he certainly has skills to offer at Richmond it seems that he is well past his best as a coach.

Do you think that replacing Daniel Wells with an accountable footballer, would make any significant difference to the spot in the squad that Wells currently fills?

Go away.

 

[SDM08]

Bomber Thomson was on a knife edge for a while, then he becomes the super saviour. How things can turn so quick.
Terry, this year, doesn't need so much the support of the board as much as the respect from the players. Without the latter, he won't get the former.

 

[CoggaRules]

Yes, and sacking coaches mid-season ( early season? ) does so much to inspire quality coaches to come our way....

you tend to forget its not mid season its 4 1/2 seasons. I would also suggest that a quality coach wouldnt be really worried about it...think about why?

 

[1980]

you tend to forget its not mid season its 4 1/2 seasons. I would also suggest that a quality coach wouldnt be really worried about it...think about why?

Yeah look at all the quality coaches that came running our way over the past 27 years.

Are you one of those clowns that wants Wallace sacked and Campbell appointed? Because that's the only short term option available to us

 

[CoggaRules]

Yeah look at all the quality coaches that came running our way over the past 27 years.

Are you one of those clowns that wants Wallace sacked and Campbell appointed? Because that's the only short term option available to us

apart from KB and Swooper, all of them were non tigers....and KB had the biggest excuse...because we were rattling tins back then. The only coach that got this team playing hard at it footy was who? Now get back in your box.

 

[1980]

apart from KB and Swooper, all of them were non tigers....and KB had the biggest excuse...because we were rattling tins back then. The only coach that got this team playing hard at it footy was who? Now get back in your box.

You breed from the same small gene pool you create offspring with genetic conditions. In football terms, years of inbreeding gives you Wayne Campbell.

And you need to do a better job of keeping it a secret that you married your sister Cogga.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

You breed from the same small gene pool you create offspring with genetic conditions. In football terms, years of inbreeding gives you Wayne Campbell.
And you need to do a better job of keeping it a secret that you married your sister Cogga.

LMAO seriously LMAO