How do we get a ready-made forward?

[pjcrows]

It seems as though we are sheisen at developing/drafting teenagers into good forwards. Watts looks 'maybe' good, but we screwed up with Angwin, Schell, Krueger, Smith. We need a ready-made forward because we have a big problem with developing young players. Ottens would have been very nice. I have heard Fevola's name as a possible trade. Pavlich is our main man though.

What would you use as bait to get a quality ready-made forward to the club? Burton and 1st Round for Fev? I know, I know, we traded our 1st Round picks in the past for players but we can't develop a young tall so why pick one up?

 

[Stiffy_18]

I think firstly you need to look at where those key forwards were picked up to make an assemsent that we can't develop one.

I think Watts is our best bet in this area and he is developing along nicely. I still think Hentschel can develop into a key forward.

In reality the last thing we need is to trade away our first round pick. We need to get some quality youth onto our list and if we don't keep the picks its really hard to do it.

I would rather draft one than recruit one. However if we are to go after a key forward that reasonable age then we would need to trade first round pick and them some more. The time to do this would be at the end of 2006 season because by all reports we are likely to get a gun youngster under the father son rule for a 3rd round pick. If ever there was time to trade 1st round pick then that would be it. Funnily enough Pavlich is apparently out of contract at that time so I would entertain the idea of trading that first round pick them rather than at the end of this year.

 

[jc67]

The best way to get a KPP is to develop one

PS; I will wait until the season is totally shot before sugessting who we should trade.

BTW Fev wont be leaving melbourne

 

[jmorg1]

The thing is Fevola was a pretty late pick because most clubs were doubting his attitude. Maybe the AFC should take a punt on 'characters' as long as their not headcase criminals like Angwin.

 

[Stiffy_18]

The thing is Fevola was a pretty late pick because most clubs were doubting his attitude. Maybe the AFC should take a punt on 'characters' as long as their not headcase criminals like Angwin.

And if it doesn't work out there will be outcry on this board to sack every one from boot studder to the chairman even thos the punt was taken in the 3rd round of the draft

 

[Eggzoi]

The time to do this would be at the end of 2006 season because by all reports we are likely to get a gun youngster under the father son rule for a 3rd round pick. If ever there was time to trade 1st round pick then that would be it.

I see people say this a lot, and never like it. I don't think the fact that you're getting a great kid for a 3rd rounder justifies giving away your first round pick. I'd rather have 2 great kids than 1.

 

[tribey]

I see people say this a lot, and never like it. I don't think the fact that you're getting a great kid for a 3rd rounder justifies giving away your first round pick. I'd rather have 2 great kids than 1.

What about one great made player and one great kid though?

Even if we were to land the #1 or #2 pick, there is only a minimal chance the kid would be unequivically greater than Pavlich is - so why not part with the pick in order to land the established gun who still has plenty of football left in him?

 

[Stiffy_18]

I see people say this a lot, and never like it. I don't think the fact that you're getting a great kid for a 3rd rounder justifies giving away your first round pick. I'd rather have 2 great kids than 1.

I agree but you have toe weight all the pros and cons. 2006 seems like a good time because by this time I think we would be in a good position to be contenders in 2007 season while our guns are still contributors.

So in other words if we could get a 25 year old Pavlich (in the prime of his career) to play CHF/FF for us, while our midfield and backline are still very strong them I think its worth it. In this scenario Pavlich would give us a genuine chance at a premiership where as without him we wouldn't be good enough.

In general I do agree with your comments but I guess you have to weight up the pros and cons of a given proposal at the given time.

 

[macca23]

I think firstly you need to look at where those key forwards were picked up to make an assemsent that we can't develop one.

1. I think Watts is our best bet in this area and he is developing along nicely. I still think Hentschel can develop into a key forward.[COLOR=]
In reality the last thing we need is to trade away our first round pick. We need to get some quality youth onto our list and if we don't keep the picks its really hard to do it.

I would rather draft one than recruit one. However if we are to go after a key forward that reasonable age then we would need to trade first round pick and them some more.

2. The time to do this would be at the end of 2006 season because by all reports we are likely to get a gun youngster under the father son rule for a 3rd round pick. If ever there was time to trade 1st round pick then that would be it. Funnily enough Pavlich is apparently out of contract at that time so I would entertain the idea of trading that first round pick them rather than at the end of this year.

1. Watts has been developing nicely over the past 4 to 5 weeks. While it's about a year too early for him, I'd bring him in to play CHF with Perrie on a HFF as an extra CHF. Stevo to the goalfront. Hentschel to the backlines. Hentschel will probably never be a genuine key forward and we're killing his confidence at the moment by trying to make him one.

2. Yes, yes, yes. 2006 is the time to strike after Pav when we will get young Gibbs for a 3rd rounder when he probably deserves to be the #1 pick. If he ever comes home it will be then - girlfriend permitting. Pavlich in the side would alter the whole fabric of the forward line, and give us a chance at a flag in 2007 while we still have an A grade mid-field.

 

[Wood_Duck]

1. Watts has been developing nicely over the past 4 to 5 weeks. While it's about a year too early for him, I'd bring him in to play CHF with Perrie on a HFF as an extra CHF. Stevo to the goalfront. Hentschel to the backlines. Hentschel will probably never be a genuine key forward and we're killing his confidence at the moment by trying to make him one.

2. Yes, yes, yes. 2006 is the time to strike after Pav when we will get young Gibbs for a 3rd rounder when he probably deserves to be the #1 pick. If he ever comes home it will be then - girlfriend permitting. Pavlich in the side would alter the whole fabric of the forward line, and give us a chance at a flag in 2007 while we still have an A grade mid-field.

So lets say that Watts plays every game next year, he averages 7 marks, 2 goals and about 12 posessions per game. Do you still give away a first round pick for Pavlich at the end of the year??

 

[Portmanteau]

Pick 4 (2)/Kane Johnson...

 

[drakeyv2]

Pick 4 (2)/Kane Johnson...

That's the cost for an old one who has been out of the game for a year & is only good for about 20 games.

Fit ones are even pricier

 

[- PC -]

I would rather draft one than recruit one. However if we are to go after a key forward that reasonable age then we would need to trade first round pick and them some more. The time to do this would be at the end of 2006 season because by all reports we are likely to get a gun youngster under the father son rule for a 3rd round pick. If ever there was time to trade 1st round pick then that would be it. Funnily enough Pavlich is apparently out of contract at that time so I would entertain the idea of trading that first round pick them rather than at the end of this year.

Would anyone entertain Quentin Lynch as a FF? Or would you sepnd one more year in development then throw the house at getting Pavlich?

 

[mymansyd]

Would anyone entertain Quentin Lynch as a FF? Or would you sepnd one more year in development then throw the house at getting Pavlich?

I don't mind Lynch, but I don't think he is worth targetting. Not enough upside, IMHO. Pav is OUR man, and the kicthen sink must be thrown at him at the nearest opprtunity.

He's averaged 19 kicks, 10 marks & 2 goals per match this season. That would have been really ********ing handy against the Dees and the Lions!!!!

 

[Portmanteau]

When Freo name their price you're not going to be happy.

 

[Shrapnel]

why don't you get carey back?

 

[tribey]

I don't mind Lynch, but I don't think he is worth targetting. Not enough upside, IMHO.

Would be no different to Perrie. Presents OK but a poor pair of hands for his size and strength.

Wouldn't receive the calibre of midfield service he's currently enjoying at Subi either.

 

[Portmanteau]

Just putting a hypothetical out there:

C. Cornes for S. Thompson and minor change?

 

[tribey]

No.

Nothing wrong with our defence at present, and Thomo is our future captain.

Chad is a luxury we can ill afford, and I sense Port fans may begin to feel the same way if nothing changes soon.

 

[Crowked]

Just putting a hypothetical out there:

C. Cornes for S. Thompson and minor change?

How much change you giving us?

Seriously Chad Cornes isnt a ready made forward. He was a pretty average forward who found his niche in the back half. I wouldnt be thinking he is in the Crows trade thoughts at all anymore. Kane on the other hand....yep!, but not for Thomo.

If we are genuinely looking to land a big fish trade, Pavlich is the one with out doubt. Even he is very unlikely though.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

What about one great made player and one great kid though?

Even if we were to land the #1 or #2 pick, there is only a minimal chance the kid would be unequivically greater than Pavlich is - so why not part with the pick in order to land the established gun who still has plenty of football left in him?

If you were to land the #1 pick then I say stuff Freo and take Pavlich in the PSD. They're not slow to use that threat on other clubs, let em wear it back for a change.

 

[Kenny_01]

I think you're all forgetting one thing- very doubtful that Pav will ever want to leave Freo.

 

[tribey]

I think you're all forgetting one thing- very doubtful that Pav will ever want to leave Freo.

It's a well known fact Pav isn't just a proud South Aussie, but he's a massive Crows fan to boot.

In fact, as recently as last year when Freo beat us at AAMI for the first time he said in his post-match interview (paraphrasing) "I'd love to come back here one day and play for the Crows but it was good to beat 'em."

 

[snakebite01]

It's a well known fact Pav isn't just a proud South Aussie, but he's a massive Crows fan to boot.

In fact, as recently as last year when Freo beat us at AAMI for the first time he said in his post-match interview (paraphrasing) "I'd love to come back here one day and play for the Crows but it was good to beat 'em."

Not only that DT, but remember before that game there was a 2 page spread with an interview with Pav in Footy Friday. He pretty much said that he will be coming home at some stage in his career, it's just a matter of when. I seem to remember him saying it would be when his next contract runs out and I think he said when he was around 26-27 so at the end of 2006 as Macca says seems about right. It seemed he wanted to acheive something at Freo first, so maybe we should all be hoping Freo win a flag in the next 2 years or if not, maybe his Brownlow this year will be seen as achieving something at Freo.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Would anyone entertain Quentin Lynch as a FF? Or would you sepnd one more year in development then throw the house at getting Pavlich?

I wouldn't go after Lynch.

I have seen a few WC games this year and if people think Perrie drops marks then they better have a look at this bloke. He leads VERY well but he drops a LOT of marks that a key forward should take.

Go after Pavlich at the end of 2006 season when we can afford to trad first round pick because we get a bargain for 3rd rounder.