How Do You Rate Our Draft?

[cormick]

Too young, Emp.

 

[JSFish]

Definitely wouldn't want to be condoning under age drinking emp. Jeez.

 

[emperor]

OK.

Make sure its light beer then

 

[cormick]

Tut tut.

 

[sante]

I voted 'good.' I have no idea about the players, but we filled needs. Hislop = meh. Worth the risk, I guess, it was only #58.

 

[emperor]

Back on topic I didn't vote but I like the sound of Vickery and Post

I'm a bit iffy on a recycled player in Hislop, but I think another tough mid with grunt won't go astray.

Would have liked us to have another ND pick though ....

 

[_RT_]

RT, aren't you a bit upset we passed on McKernan at 26 when you wanted him at 8?

Not really, while I was eager to get him, he is not as highly rated as Vickery who plays the same role Ruck/KP forward and was rated by many as a top 4 pick.

Then with Post at 26 we got a kid who can play KP at either end of the ground, where as McKernan is, as mentioned a Ruck or forward, pretty pointless taking 2 players in the first 2 rounds who will be competing for the same spot.

As I mentioned in another thread we now have greater flexibility with regards our KPP's and rucks. Down back we have true KPD's in Will, McGuane, Rance & Silvestor. Up forward we have KPF's in Riewoldt, Hughes & Putt. Then there are the utility types in Polak(if he gets back) and Schulz who can play either end. On top of that we have Vickery, Simmonds & Pattison who can play Ruck and then rest up forward.

 

[Jisha]

a good draft u jokeing could have got mc kernan rockclife hislop no pick 70 cc stuffed melb r we next

Reading back through your previous posts it really does show you have no idea what you are talking about. First you do not want a ruckman, then you want two talls. Then you want a ruckman.

You should choose what you REALLY want at the club and stick by it instead of just trying to stand out in a thread with a stupid comment.

 

[tigerT]

couldve been better, 3 picks in the ND for a club like ours rebuilding doesnt cut the mustard.

another 2 players min should have been delisted

 

[one eyedtiger]

Rapt to get Vickery and Post is pretty good pick-up. Agree with everyone else that Hislop is a risk but it has the potential to pay off.

 

[db26]

I cant believe the people complaining .Vickery is a steal at pick 8 and if it wasnt for the clubs before us wanting midfielders he would be long gone. people rated him top 4.For me Post is a better option then Mckeran.Great mark and leading mark getter in tac cup,versitile etc.For some reason alot of clubs didnt rate Shaun.ON hislop yes i agree i would have liked a kid at 58, but his guy is only 20 and has talent we have just got to get is mind right.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Even so, he's entitled to it.
"I don't agree with what you're saying, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it"

thats right fight you to your death for the right crap your saying..

 

[Infamy]

Would've liked:

8 - Zeibell
26 -McKernan
58- Sibasado
70- Cousins

So you wanted a slow midfielder with no tank
A short ruckman who's bad below his knees
A risky X-factor tall from NT who could be anything or nothing
and a drug addict with maybe 2 years left in the system that no other club in the AFL wants to touch

Man am I glad you're not in charge

We ended up with a genuine ruckman with very good mobility, great mark and elite tap to advantage ratio
A kpp only 1cm shorter than McKernan who's the best mark in the TAC
A Top 20 midfielder from the 2006 superdraft
Plus one more kid to come

I know what I'd go for every time (although to be fair I do want to get Sibosado in the PSD)

 

[JDC!]

I thought our draft was pretty good but I would have liked us to use pick 70 on either Rockcliff, Sibosado or Cousins. I'm not too sure why people are disappointed about picked up Hislop. He is a pretty good young player, he just has some discipline issues. If he can fix them up he may become a regular contributor for the Tigers.

 

[tigerdan]

Needed a crap option RT. You are so bloody soft. 2 kids and 1 21 yr old. 3 ND picks. Crap, shite, hopeless take your pick.

Yeah, but you were upset before the draft was even held because we didn't delist the players you wanted to punish.

Anyway, you wanted talls and you got them.

We can always 'tank the **** out of' next season though. That will make you happy.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

So you wanted a slow midfielder with no tank

Me and many others..but Vickery is a good get...

A short ruckman who's bad below his knees

No a strong versatile ruckman who can play forward...again, not unhappy with Post...it's what we did after this that really annoys me:

A risky X-factor tall from NT who could be anything or nothing

At pick 58 instead of a guy let go by a club that finished below us who appears to be a bit of a w***er? Yes...

and a drug addict with maybe 2 years left in the system that no other club in the AFL wants to touch

You mean arguably the best midfielder if not player, not to mention one the most decorated of the last ten years, the fittest man in football , the game's best trainer with a wealth of experience for virtually nothing? Yes again. (and yes he is a w***er too , but obviously had more drive to succeed than Hislop when he was his age and therefore has previously demonstrated he is capable of putting his head down and really, who cares when you've got the above CV....)

Man am I glad you're not in charge

Well I'm not, so relax, it's only the internet.

 

[tigerdan]

And give five other teams a chance to pick them before us. Bloody hell, they've only had at least two years to evaluate most of these kids.

Yeah, but we've done the same thing the last few years and it's worked well. Pass on the last pick and invite 4 or 5 kids to tain for the summer. Pick the best of them.

That's how we got Thursfield. We could have gone and picked Roury Kirkby with our last pick instead (yes, who?)

I think passing on our last pick is a wise decision.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Yeah, but we've done the same thing the last few years and it's worked well. Pass on the last pick and invite 4 or 5 kids to tain for the summer. Pick the best of them.

That's how we got Thursfield. We could have gone and picked Roury Kirkby with our last pick instead (yes, who?)

I think passing on our last pick is a wise decision.

That's how we got Gourdis. Is it how we got Tom Collier, oops, I mean Kent Kingsley?
Only club not to draft a 17 year-old.

 

[Trav 20]

Post has Craig Cameron written all over him. He's a great mark, ok movement but no genuine class and has poor disposal. He didn't make Vic Metro's squad and was seemingly picked early. Hello to Molan, Frawley, Dunn, Rogers, etc if you're reading

I actually reckon CAC is a reasonable recruiter. He saved his best draft at the Dees til last as Grimes, Morton, Maric and Martin are a great bunch. But he's a terrible list manager. I hope he's not filling that role at the Tigers.

Also, one of my major gripes was our lack of picks on draft day. I posted the following on a Melbourne forum:

I've stated before that we were deplorable at turning our list over in recent years. We kept mediocre players in Godfrey, Ward, Nicholson, Smith, Armstrong, Ferguson, etc, etc, for too long. There are current players in Bell, Jamar, Bartram to name a few who either can't kick, make the right decisions, or just aren't good enough.

I've also lamented CAC's lack of draft picks over the years. And when he had them they were invariably average selections. This from a recent The Age article on the Hawthorn model from 2004; "The appointment of Clarkson in 2004 was fundamental to the embrace of the youth route and the preparedness for short-term pain. He encouraged the recruitment of his former Port Adelaide colleague Chris Pelchen to manage an aggressive list strategy.

"We firmly believed that if we attacked the draft but also the trade period aggressively — not be reactive, be proactive in both the draft and the trade periods — then we could hopefully build a team from the ground up," Pelchen said."

Now I accept that having played Finals in 04, 05, 06 that we didn't have plumb draft picks and that we thought our window was still open, but what a terrible evaluation of a list. And from that erroneous stand point we were basically completely passive. We sat back and did nothing. And it's not all hindsight.

Some facts: from 2003 to 2006 which encapsulated 4 National drafts we took 14 players. By comparison, from 2004 to 2006 - 3 drafts - Hawthorn took 17 players. That's right, they took 3 more players from one less draft. But let's look at the quality of the picks. Of Hawthorn's 17 picks 15 were inside the top 40. They had 12 picks inside the top 26. We had 4. Obviously they had better early picks due to their position on the ladder, but they made a decision to be aggressive and proactive at the trade table. It's harder this year for the reasons we all know about, but imo this club needs to get its hands dirty and improve our draft position.

I know there will be excuses made by apologists for our ghastly list management, and yes, the past is the past, but we must do all that we can to get another pick in the top 25. And we need to keep culling dead wood. We need to be creative next week. It won't be easy, but it has to happen.

I actually reckon the Tigers have a good list and will play Finals next year, but keep turning average players over. I'd be disappointed that you only had 3 picks (2 decent ones) in arguably the strongest draft ever.

 

[The Cotch]

Some people are never happy hey

We covered massive list needs today with 3 very talented players.

There is still another pick to go as well, and I'd say we'll cover another need in a couple of weeks.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Just a quick question.

I've been hearing for ages that the Tigers have the best batch of young defenders, how was Post filling a need?

I would have thought an Ash Smith or McKernan would have been a better choice?

Hislop if he can sort out his off field issues could be a steal, that is a big if.

 

[JSFish]

Post can play forward too.

 

[The Cotch]

Post will be developed as a Key Forward.

 

[_RT_]

Just a quick question.

I've been hearing for ages that the Tigers have the best batch of young defenders, how was Post filling a need?

I would have thought an Ash Smith or McKernan would have been a better choice?

Hislop if he can sort out his off field issues could be a steal, that is a big if.

Post can play KP at either end of the ground. If we can develop Post & Rance as Key Position Defenders it will allow us to use Moore as a mid sized rebounding defender, but one who can also play defensive roles on players like S.Johnson, ROK, Corey Jones and other midsized forwards who tend to give us a lot of trouble. That is why we picked him up ahead of McKernan who plays a similar role to Vickery i.e. Ruck/KP forward. IMO it would have been a waste trying to get McKernan, who has played most of his career in those roles, to learn how to play as KPD.

 

[bigstyletiger]

I think that we drafted pretty well.

You have to remember that we used our picks to select 4 players.

8 - Vickery - Could be a Dean Cox or Kositchke type. Impressive forward and ruckman with greate athleticism. I was thinking about it yesterday and I think we could start him in the forward pocket next year in a role similar to J Westhoff. When he develops his tank he could then move into the ruck or CHF and potentially even take Richo's role on the wing as he is quick, has good skills, takes a great mark, has an apetite to tackling and is very smart.
26 - Post - A marking machine who loves running and has the frame of a key position player. Could be developed as a CHF or a CHB and gives our list balance. May have been available a bit later but am pretty sure the Dogs would have taken him at 31/32 or Geelong with their second pick. Compared to McKernan he is a player with much clearer positional attributes and will be more adept at playing CHF or CHB. I think McKernan is going to be an athlete who plays football and that doesn't always work out.
42 - Thomson - Honestly would have preferred a guy like Walters here. I thought he was going to go in the second round and i am convinced we need a small forward. That being said this guy can play. He wins the hard ball and if blokes like him can win it in close and dish it to Deledio, Foley, Cotchin, Tambling rather than them doing the grunt work we will be a better side. He may not be best 22 to start with but all the mids down at the club will know there are no cheap games now. There will be a lot of boys busting their gut week in week out and we will have real midfield depth in 2009 and beyond due to his recruitment.
58 - Hislop - is in the same boat as Thomson. A hard nut who loves winning his own ball. Again will add to our depth and intensify the competition for places. Watching his highlights on bigpond Dennis Commetti was loving him and I rate Dennis' opinon and football knowledge. He may have had some problems with booze but who doesn't when they are between 18-20 these days. Especially if you come from a sleepy hollow to the big smoke. Was worth a second chance and adds serious depth.

We now have a locked and loaded midfield with a great balance between hard nut ball winners and blokes with pace and skill.

We also have a promising backline and with Post and Rance we have even more depth and Post could even go forward.

With Vickery we have a potential key position/ruck star. I think he compares favourably to Kruezer around the ground, better at the ruck, and is a much better forward.

We also have a PSD pick in which i hope we take another ruckman or a small forward and we will take a few rookies.

I agree with Terry - we are locked and loaded and i have purchased my grand final guarantee ticket in the hope that it will be used sometime in the not too distant future.

PS

Saw Richo in st kilda last night and I have a good feeling he is going to tear it up again next year.