How easy we forget and here we are again.

[Bojangles17]

Not being a negative nelly, but, North is the game. I'll hold fire until then.



Maybe Bo, but you know me, and you know I haven't switched off this season. My criticism comes from the heart. We need change at this club. Too many question marks over this season for mine, and the deja vu of the last 4 season starts is just too much to ignore.

That's alright , I just wanted to see the Marilyn AV again, you know I'm a fan ,

 

[_DBF_]

I love watching my Tigers win...so I have been smiling for a week plus now...& hope we belt the Bombers clean off the park. I don't believe we should ever ever tank...I don't think pick 8 vs pick 5 can justify the fraud.

I haven't forgotten our 0-6 losing streak that has all but junked 2016. Included in that streak were games against Melb and Port that were pure rubbish and a stain on all of us collectively. Agree with Cogga, it's too easy to look at ahead with optimism after 2 weeks and forget the rubbish 6 before, or excuse it somehow.

We DO have list management issues and a FD I don't trust one iota. Needs to be sorted. Happy to play a heap of kids in blocks, blood them and scub them. It would seem I got Ben G wrong...he isn't a bust...has a gear I didn't see previously. Nice. But we still have bugger all KPP's pushing thru from the magoos. This is death to a team, you have nothing if you don't have a spine.

We ain't winning #11 this year, but we need to get to #11 sometime. Having a list we can trust ought to be our only focus.

Our issue is starting seasons. We've been pus the last 4 seasons now in the first 7/8 games. Yet we've managed 5th, 8th, 5th and who knows how we could or will end up this season with a good 4/5 weeks ahead of us.

We were shit. No denying that and we need to learn to come out and play in the first six weeks or so so we don't have to keep resurrecting our seasons because we're constantly behind the 8-ball.

But all you negative ****s in here who think the club is just a s**tstain on your life and that they have no idea and blah blah blah calling for a full rebuild are ******ed loony tunes.

We've proven our best is good. Consistency and poor starts are the downsides. But we've been a steady performer in the comp for a few seasons now.

We're two to three players away from contending ... Not a full ****ing rebuild.

 

[CoggaRules]

Our issue is starting seasons. We've been pus the last 4 seasons now in the first 7/8 games. Yet we've managed 5th, 8th, 5th and who knows how we could or will end up this season with a good 4/5 weeks ahead of us.

We were shit. No denying that and we need to learn to come out and play in the first six weeks or so so we don't have to keep resurrecting our seasons because we're constantly behind the 8-ball.

But all you negative ****s in here who think the club is just a s**tstain on your life and that they have no idea and blah blah blah calling for a full rebuild are ******ed loony tunes.

We've proven our best is good. Consistency and poor starts are the downsides. But we've been a steady performer in the comp for a few seasons now.

We're two to three players away from contending ... Not a full ******* rebuild.

we have proven the following...we start slow and that hasnt changed and our best is losing an elim final each year...if that is good to you then you are quite ok with being mediocre...as for your we are 2 or 3 players away....yeah we have been 2 or 3 players away for the last 4 years, it hasnt changed

 

[This Is Anfield]

We've proven our best is good. Consistency and poor starts are the downsides. But we've been a steady performer in the comp for a few seasons now.

No doubt, this is mostly due to a lack of real depth IMO.
If we have injuries early and our stars are down a bit then we seem to struggle.
Building depth needs smarts, luck and patience. I reckon that we are getting there, slowly.

 

[Goldfrog]

No doubt, this is mostly due to a lack of real depth IMO.
If we have injuries early and our stars are down a bit then we seem to struggle.
Building depth needs smarts, luck and patience. I reckon that we are getting there, slowly.

My problem is that we seem to be getting there a fair bit slower than other teams.
We can play well but is our best good enough to win premierships or even finals. Not so far. Love the last two wins and we can certainly win some more.
As long as that doesn't get management and supporters thinking all is good again. Recruiting, development and coaching are still huge issues. It is a credit to our players that we do so well in my opinion in spite of these issues.

 

[Ralll]

No doubt, this is mostly due to a lack of real depth IMO.
If we have injuries early and our stars are down a bit then we seem to struggle.
Building depth needs smarts, luck and patience. I reckon that we are getting there, slowly.

Or maybe this gameplan cant be executed in the first 5-6 rounds as the games are too quick coming off preseason and we're too slow, it needs the comp to slow down somewhat before we can get control of games, this is why we seem so flatfooted in the first 1/4 of the season.
Or maybe its a bad attitude from the players thinking it will happen without needing to try, believing our preseason hype.

I dont buy into the depth issue, otherwise we would still be playing with the spirit we play with after Rd 8ish, but theres something horribly wrong with how we start the season, we show poor defensive pressure/run/tackling/offensive run/ball movement, its something more than depth and injuries.

Im thinking its something along the lines the players arnt good enough to start with this gamestyle, we have to come out running with a direct fast gameplan while getting our defensive pressure/running up to speed, and then slowly change things to our controlled gamestyle as we get things in check.

But who really knows why it keeps happening...not I...or Dimma, up to now anyway.

 

[prodigy1311]

Our issue is starting seasons. We've been pus the last 4 seasons now in the first 7/8 games. Yet we've managed 5th, 8th, 5th and who knows how we could or will end up this season with a good 4/5 weeks ahead of us.

We were shit. No denying that and we need to learn to come out and play in the first six weeks or so so we don't have to keep resurrecting our seasons because we're constantly behind the 8-ball.

But all you negative ****s in here who think the club is just a s**tstain on your life and that they have no idea and blah blah blah calling for a full rebuild are ******ed loony tunes.

We've proven our best is good. Consistency and poor starts are the downsides. But we've been a steady performer in the comp for a few seasons now.

We're two to three players away from contending ... Not a full ******* rebuild.

We knew that in 2013! it's 2016 and we are still there........any reason.?

 

[_DBF_]

We knew that in 2013! it's 2016 and we are still there........any reason.?

We haven't been able to get those players in. Football department has been too stingy and failed us there. But we haven't missed the window and don't need to chuck the towel in yet. We are primed for next 4-5 years yet.

 

[Achilles Heel]

No doubt, this is mostly due to a lack of real depth IMO.
If we have injuries early and our stars are down a bit then we seem to struggle.
Building depth needs smarts, luck and patience. I reckon that we are getting there, slowly.

Playing defenders forward and forwards back might contribute a little bit don't you think?

 

[CoggaRules]

Playing defenders forward and forwards back might contribute a little bit don't you think?

relax man...its our coach showing the board that he is has it going on with new plans...i mean, we have had 2 brain waves and both lasted approx 39.9 seconds before being stamped as absolutely ridiculously stoooopid...but we gave him another 2 years to learn a bit more about what to look for when coming up with that type of shit.

 

[Football Tragic]

If the list was strong and had enough quality and depth we would not have been 2 and 6 it really is not that hard to fathom.
Imo there are 19 players all aged 22 or over who we should be actively looking to upgrade upon.
Winning a few games here and there wont change that opinion.

Our young talent needs game time to gain experience, self belief and understanding of the game plan and their team mates. Before the start of the season we didn't know if Rioli would fit into the team or Menadue, Short, C.Ellis or if we we're completely honest even Hampson and Griffiths. All of these players needed extended opportunities and I feel we are gaining the benefits of that now after struggling early. We could have easily kept playing the same experienced side and scrapping into the first week of the finals but to go further we needed to find more talent to add to the side.

We've had a look at Moore and Townsend but they proved unsuccessful (at least at the moment) but we needed to have a look all the same. I'd still like to see McBean given a greater length of time forward too. The start of the season was about taking a chance and trying something different. We lost games as a result but hopefully it proves to be a positive moving forward.

We're not there yet and any side that doesn't attempt to improve their list every year is a team going backwards in a hurry but without change we would not have had any chance of future improvement.

 

[_Wang_]

Not being a negative nelly, but, North is the game. I'll hold fire until then.



Maybe Bo, but you know me, and you know I have a massive man crush on you and I wanna dock asap

EFA

 

[Mr Magic]

Our issue is starting seasons. We've been pus the last 4 seasons now in the first 7/8 games. Yet we've managed 5th, 8th, 5th and who knows how we could or will end up this season with a good 4/5 weeks ahead of us.

We were shit. No denying that and we need to learn to come out and play in the first six weeks or so so we don't have to keep resurrecting our seasons because we're constantly behind the 8-ball.

But all you negative ****s in here who think the club is just a s**tstain on your life and that they have no idea and blah blah blah calling for a full rebuild are ******ed loony tunes.

We've proven our best is good. Consistency and poor starts are the downsides. But we've been a steady performer in the comp for a few seasons now.

We're two to three players away from contending ... Not a full ******* rebuild.

Most of that is bullshit IMO.

But lets stay on topic.

Who is taking the 250/1 for the premiership? This is relevant for those claiming we are better than some think we are.

Seriously if you are not looking to lay off at short prices on Betfair one must be a raving lunatic if thats what you believe!

Even I took the 250/1 even though I struggle to see how we can because there are that many garbage teams out there at the moment I am still thinking the Pies are a [premiership chance without Swan and my best position is GWS.

And yes I backed the Pies and RFC on the weekend

 

[_DBF_]

Most of that is bullshit IMO.

But lets stay on topic.

Who is taking the 250/1 for the premiership.

Seriously if you are not looking to lay off at short prices on Betfair one must be a raving lunatic if thats what you believe!

Actually pretty factual. :rolls eyes:

 

[_DBF_]

we have proven the following...we start slow and that hasnt changed and our best is losing an elim final each year...if that is good to you then you are quite ok with being mediocre...as for your we are 2 or 3 players away....yeah we have been 2 or 3 players away for the last 4 years, it hasnt changed

I'm not okay with EF losses.

I'm not okay with the FD failing to grab players - though they have referred big names.

My point is merely that we are 2/3 players from a flag. And therefore with our list profile closer to a flag than a rebuild.

All this rebuild talk is nonsensical.

 

[Mr Magic]

Actually pretty factual. :rolls eyes:

Well I laid RFC in a big way early in the season and even I am covering that and a little more at the 250/1 because despite our list we are not without a faint chance.

You only have to see North 9 zip and 9.00 to see this season is a little off kilter.

Lets talk facts. If I said I thought the Pies were the best value for the premiership at the beginning of the season of course I would take the 5.00 and more versus Geelong on the weekend!

I even promoted to a Pies fan to have a little wager on the Pies versus the overrated Cats!!

 

[_DBF_]

No doubt, this is mostly due to a lack of real depth IMO.
If we have injuries early and our stars are down a bit then we seem to struggle.
Building depth needs smarts, luck and patience. I reckon that we are getting there, slowly.

I'm sure it sounds like I'm easily bridging aside the issue here and maybe I am but this is a big part of the problem.

Maric (not so much this year) Deledio Edwards Rance at stages each season. And so forth have been missing games at the start of each of these seasons and we have been poor. Once they come back (and even with the harder draw) we play better footy.

It's not so much that we'd just our game style it's
just we get our best 22 on the park.

If we had say Prestia and Steele and a decent KPD added to our list we'd probably win half those games.

But yes it's inexcusable we haven't successfully addressed these needs.

 

[_DBF_]

Well I laid RFC in a big way early in the season and even I am covering that and a little more at the 250/1 because despite our list we are not without a faint chance.

You only have to see North 9 zip and 9.00 to see this season is a little off kilter.

Lets talk facts. If I said I thought the Pies were the best value for the premiership at the beginning of the season of course I would take the 5.00 and more versus Geelong on the weekend!

Anything is possible the competition is so even. The next month will be the litmus test. We should be 6-7 at worst. We can sink or swim from there.

 

[Mr Magic]

Anything is possible the competition is so even. The next month will be the litmus test. We should be 6-7 at worst. We can sink or swim from there.

Anything is not possible, some things are possible and it depends on what currency is being wagered to make ones case and frankly talk and posts are cheap!

 

[_DBF_]

Anything is not possible, some things are possible and it depends on what currency is being wagered to make ones case and frankly talk and posts are cheap!

Well it's all I've got because I'm not involved in the club haha.

 

[Tiger_4_Life]

I would still rather us make the finals and get bundled out week one than not.... All you need is a chance to make some history.

 

[CoggaRules]

I would still rather us make the finals and get bundled out week one than not.... All you need is a chance to make some history.

According to what I have heard over the last 3 years is that all you need is 3 chances and counting to first win a final.

 

[Mr Magic]

According to what I have heard over the last 3 years is that all you need is 3 chances and counting to first win a final.

I think the end of communism in the AFL is not far away.

Players are not paid to preform but paid to play and the players want more money. The trouble is fans want bang for buck.

Fans want players and clubs focussed on winning premierships which is not happening atm. A disrupter like Trump might have to be brought in to shake up the system serving the kleptocracy.

Its interesting, on the couch David King talks about trading players without their consent and then they go on about referring to players as commodities. Honestly the closet commie talk just reeks out from people institutionalised in a communist regime where the will of the people has been bashed into submission. These guys have little idea how markets driven by peoples choices are formed and what will need to be implemented to emancipate the fans, players and clubs from the executives!

 

[Tiger_4_Life]

According to what I have heard over the last 3 years is that all you need is 3 chances and counting to first win a final.

Man you're a wet blanket.... Enjoy the flipping game and the fact we're winning a few of them. Im as frustrated as you are that the year hasn't gone as we hoped but surely you can enjoy some of the positives over the last couple weeks?

 

[_DBF_]

At worst we will be 6-7 after 13 rounds.

Better than 3-10.