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How would a Northern Territory team go in the AFL?
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The NT with its current population will never have a team in the top tier of any major Australian sport.
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Reckon they could put together a top team within a few years. They have the talent and love their footy. Population and distance clearly doesn't help though
A lot of misinformation about the climate. From around May through to September, it's pretty mint and could easily play day games. Late 20's clear skies, stuff all humidity... amazing. First couple of months would be a struggle though.
At end of the day though, the climate is irrelevant and comes down to return on investment for the AFL.
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Wasn't like that when I lived in Darwin. Often mid 30's and never mid 20's through the dry. The lowest temp ever record was 28 point something during cyclone Tracey.
It does drop off quickly when you leave the Coast. I've lived in Katherine and that can get cold overnight occasionally and low mid 20's through the day.
Would have amazing local support
But there just aren't enough locals. Darwin is 50000 people smaller than Geelong but Geelong has 5.5 million people not that far away. Darwin has Adelaide river (pop 237).
But there just aren't enough locals. Darwin is 50000 people smaller than Geelong but Geelong has 5.5 million people not that far away. Darwin has Adelaide river (pop 237).
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Honestly if the AFL, and a few from outside the AFL, can argue that Tasmania "can't" sustain an AFL team, there's no way Darwin or the NT could support a stand alone side. Maybe a combined Gold Coast/Darwin team? I'm joking.
How much support to Melbourne, Port Adelaide etc get when they play there once in a blue moon, outside of travelling supporters?
How much support to Melbourne, Port Adelaide etc get when they play there once in a blue moon, outside of travelling supporters?
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I don't get the love affair with Tasmania getting a footy side. The population will increase before declining in size with an ageing, dying demographic with youth leaving for greener pastures. The other issue is tasmania's average income compared to the national average is low. A poor population growth and decline combined with low income, is not a great target market.
NT is not only a booming population growth but a footy loving jurisdiction and loads of cashed up bogans (meant in a nice way as only a WA could understand). Such is the growth, the population of Darwin and close towns could be exceed all of Tassie's population within 50-60 years. This makes it a likely growth market for the AFL in time.
The first stop though is likely to be the ACT with another booming population and loads of cash.
NT is not only a booming population growth but a footy loving jurisdiction and loads of cashed up bogans (meant in a nice way as only a WA could understand). Such is the growth, the population of Darwin and close towns could be exceed all of Tassie's population within 50-60 years. This makes it a likely growth market for the AFL in time.
The first stop though is likely to be the ACT with another booming population and loads of cash.
Would not work. Terrible climate, no one would move there to play, population couldn't support it. Team would be dead and gone within 5 years.
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Politics. Tasmania have a lot of people with political influence who have fled the state for greener pastures who harbour self-loathing for doing so and have pushed that burden not on themselves to put something back into their home community, but want the AFL to undertake that burden instead.
When you look at our arrangement with Hobart, it isn't about providing games so the locals get to experience live AFL football, it is all about getting mainlanders to Tasmania to watch the game to give their flatlining economy a boost during winter when tourism is flat. Us playing there got the oval a redevelopment it wouldn't have got if we weren't going to play there, it has injected a massive amount of money to the Hobart community and now that we are already there everyone is trying to pull out support so someone else can fund it despite them benefiting from the arrangement.
I'd love to see Tassie have their own side because they are a football heartland, but it is just not economically feasible to do so, they would have to convert a significant portion of their citizens into lifetime members and they would need to charge West Coast like membership fees for it to be remotely viable. Much of the current funding arrangement relies on a significant increase in business activity due to people coming into Tasmania to make the existing funding viable, that would change dramatically if Tasmanian residents were expected to make up the bulk of the attendees.
What Tasmania needs is to get their economy off the floor, they should consider giving massive incentives (with Federal government support) for tax incentives for something which doesn't compete with the mainland, like say computer software. Software studios around the world have shown their desire to relocate to places which give them significant financial incentives to do so, if they could transform Hobart into a mini-silicon valley, which would bring in a lot of foreign investment and result in significant increases in jobs for supporting industries and the money that would be injected into the economy could transform the state and make it more attractive for a side.
Yet on growth trajectories Darwin will be able to do so before Hobart. It won't be for a very, very long time though. Maybe 50 years at a minimum.
True. Who knows if the forecast growth will eventuate though, especially when you're talking over a long period of time. It could be that the NT economy slumps in 10 years and Darwin all of a sudden becomes an unattractive destination.
It would honestly be a much much bigger disaster than GCS.
It's frontier land up there.
Can you imagine trying to put together that playing list?
It's frontier land up there.
Can you imagine trying to put together that playing list?
ACT has other issues, some similar to GC.
People that live here mostly have no affiliation with the place and/or no interest in Australian Football. And while not like it used to be (20% population turnover per year) a lot of the population is quite transient.
A barebones AFL club costs about as much to run as a Super Rugby and NRL club combined. And the Raiders are at the low end of NRL clubs, while the Brumbies existence is brought up once every few years. They were tipped to be shifted to Melbourne, then Perth, and are now (along with those two) among the favourites to be the Australian team axed. And before the Rebels, were often tipped to be on the brink of folding.
With less than 1% of national adertising spend being in ACT, Tas, NT combined (admittedly that figure is a few years old now, I wish I could find where I got it from) despite the per capita wealth its not a particularly media-driven market.
Out of ACT, Tas, NT, the ACT is the most likely - but its not likely.
Agreed entirely. Its actually quite likely, given the increasing centralisation of our economy into just four cities. (Sorry, Adelaide, you're fifth and therefore boned too.)
edit: Now, an NT SoO side would be interesting to watch. Clearly they would be filled with SANFL, NEAFL and NTFL players but might be able to make it interesting against Tas (some of whose best 22 are probably not on AFL lists either).
That always made the tier 2 states interesting for mine, seeing who outside the "system" could hold their own.
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With a population of about 100,000 I can't see how the NT could sustain a team. Tasmania deserves a team before NT
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Cut the AFL back to 12 teams. 2 in Perth, 2 in Adelaide, the old clubs in Sydney and Brisbane and only keep the traditional powerhouses (big 4) in Melbourne (it's all about the support you have in good times and bad). Two more teams. In the last 3 decades Hawthorn have pulled itself up from being the Fremantle of the VFL to almost a powerhouse (crowds drop off badly when team is down) and if they play 6 of their 11 home games in Tassie and that would work out well. Geelong similarly have become something pretty good and I think they can play 3 home games in Geelong and 3 in Darwin. Both clubs can play their home games against other Melbourne sides in Melbourne.
I'd also like to see Brisbane play 2 games in Cairns, Sydney 2 games in Canberra and Port 2 games in Alice.
With all of these games being free to air and probably sellouts the AFL could turn it's attention to state leagues. Throwing money at them to attract all the best players not playing AFL and turning them into something that sells to Pay tv or even internet subscription. Each club can have u18s, u16s and u14s as development leagues. Their seasons can start at a time that allows them to finish at the end of August which makes September a time when there is an interstate carnival. The kids who just miss out on the draft can make a name for themselves in an under 20s carnival for those in that bracket but who don't make the senior teams.
The other thing that can become a bit of a thing is perhaps a rookie draft in February. Players who miss the draft can go up to NTFL for recruiters to have a look. That will automatically raise the standards of NTFL.
I'd also like to see Brisbane play 2 games in Cairns, Sydney 2 games in Canberra and Port 2 games in Alice.
With all of these games being free to air and probably sellouts the AFL could turn it's attention to state leagues. Throwing money at them to attract all the best players not playing AFL and turning them into something that sells to Pay tv or even internet subscription. Each club can have u18s, u16s and u14s as development leagues. Their seasons can start at a time that allows them to finish at the end of August which makes September a time when there is an interstate carnival. The kids who just miss out on the draft can make a name for themselves in an under 20s carnival for those in that bracket but who don't make the senior teams.
The other thing that can become a bit of a thing is perhaps a rookie draft in February. Players who miss the draft can go up to NTFL for recruiters to have a look. That will automatically raise the standards of NTFL.
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I lived there through 8 dry seasons and the temperature was always 25-30 max during the day, down to 15 at night at times.
28 in the middle Tracey would have been around right consindering it was the middle of the wet season when it hit. Heat and humidiy are a killer Oct through to March
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That little bit of French in the middle was gold. I also like the coda doing the opposite of what Neil Young suggested.
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Darwin still has a huge transient population. It would. Be a bit of an issue to get players to stay. Whinge about gws/adelaide Darwin is in a league of its own. Unless you are into a very outdoor lifestyle it's not really a great place to live. A lot of young professional AFL players would find it hard to get used to.
Plus AFL's not the preferred code.
In saying that the scouting is starting to pick up in the NT. Maybe in a few years they can produce constantly 4-5 players
Plus AFL's not the preferred code.
In saying that the scouting is starting to pick up in the NT. Maybe in a few years they can produce constantly 4-5 players
The AFL have huge problems with the "Bums" and will bend over backwards to see the "Blacktowners" win the flag this year. The rise of GWS compared to the Gold Coast is staggering. NT isn't going to happen unless it was combined with a North QLD team playing out of Cairns and Darwin. It's a fanciful thought. Tassie is the best option. The Tasmanian "Devils" playing 7 games in Hobart and 4 out of Launceston. Dark Green, Red with a Gold Map of Tassie as the colours. The Gold Coast "Bums" are done, it's failed, The AFL should cut its losses now and re-locate to Tasmania before Soccer gets a foothold down there!
I can see them persevering with the "Blacktowners" for a long time, but the Gold Coast is another world up there.
The northern states hate us down here, they always have, the old stalwarts are not going to budge, build on the population strength out west in Sydney, i can understand that, but the Gold Coast? All kids want to do up there is drink, root and surf.
I can see them persevering with the "Blacktowners" for a long time, but the Gold Coast is another world up there.
The northern states hate us down here, they always have, the old stalwarts are not going to budge, build on the population strength out west in Sydney, i can understand that, but the Gold Coast? All kids want to do up there is drink, root and surf.
