Hubris

[Chewy]

No, because one pertains to a serious assault, the other to some alleged internet trolling of little importance and murky origin.

In 2011, "Captain Courageous" Joel Selwood belted Brent Guerra 100m behind play when he wasn't looking.
That wasn't football. That was assault.

 

[Cursed Cat]

I think you'll find he is right. From before the 2008 grand final


Your club really attracts a special class of complete and utter knobends.

GOLD.

case closed, nice sleuth work Clay Davis

 

[Cursed Cat]

In 2011, "Captain Courageous" Joel Selwood belted Brent Guerra 100m behind play when he wasn't looking.
That wasn't football. That was assault.

what are you talking about ???

Selwood was reported and suspended.

I'm not the one downplaying and condoning or violent acts on the footy field (or anywhere else), it is you and your floggy buddys who seem to think breaking an unsuspecting persons jaw is no big deal - finished posting random, irrelevant stuff yet, or is there more ?

Your club really attracts a special class of complete and utter knobends.

This post quote is spot-on, you guys really can't help it can you ?

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

Wasn't this thread about Hawthorn's hubris.......?

 

[Cursed Cat]

Wasn't this thread about Hawthorn's hubris.......?

feel free to direct it back on track, it's actually a topic I'm quite fond of ....

although Clay Davis' uncovering of pre-08 GF Bradbury-talk from a Hawthorn supporter was a terrific revelation - thread drift is inevitable, sometimes uncovering nuggets of gold.

 

[Tatts22]

In 2011, "Captain Courageous" Joel Selwood belted Brent Guerra 100m behind play when he wasn't looking.
That wasn't football. That was assault.

Except Guerra was looking at him!!

 

[Chewy]

what are you talking about ???

Selwood was reported and suspended.

I'm not the one downplaying and condoning or violent acts on the footy field (or anywhere else), it is you and your floggy buddys who seem to think breaking an unsuspecting persons jaw is no big deal - finished posting random, irrelevant stuff yet, or is there more ?



This post quote is spot-on, you guys really can't help it can you ?

The funniest thing about you and all the other Geelong tossers who post on here is that you actually believe you're above all the 'arrogant hawforn knob end trolls'

Do you reckon Chief, Fred or any of the admin on this site would think there was any difference between us?

Put yourself in their shoes.

 

[romeoh]

Except Guerra was looking at him!!

What instead of at the ball? lol-now that would be something new and different from a Hawthorn player. The Hawks targeting Selwood? Get out of here.

 

[Cursed Cat]

The funniest thing about you and all the other Geelong tossers who post on here is that you actually believe you're above all the 'arrogant hawforn knob end trolls'

honestly, I have no idea what you are attempting to communicate half the time because your logic is irredeemably twisted; you might as well save your effort because it is being wasted.

Also, the presumption that you know what I believe is laughable and arrogant of itself.

You openly said that Geelong/Bruns were 'sooks' or words to that effect in the wake of the Matthews assault.
One of the your fellow Hawthorn posters suggested the word 'assault' was laughable.
The Police charge sheet says otherwise. Matthews guilty plea says otherwise.
Then when I don't condone the violence shown by Lloyd or Selwood, you seem to think that consititutes me (or *all Geelong 'tossers' ??) believing I'm above 'arrogant hawform knob end trolls' (your words). Is this correct ??

You/other-Hawthorn-poster-whose-name-I-won't-bother-checking blame the *victim* of assault (or 'striking' if you want to be euphemistic) - as long as they play for Geelong. It's all very 1980's.
You show more sympathy to the mods of this site for some reason - they will be fine, they don't need you white-knighting, in fact you'd be one of the worst offenders for relentlessly crap posting that I have witnessed on the main board - perhaps you could aid them best by leaving quietly ??

Can you see how ridiculous you are being ?

maybe go for a long walk, get some oxygen into the ol' grey matter, couldn't hurt.

 

[Chewy]

Hubris

 

[Cursed Cat]

On the contrary, mon frère. I have many a pointed barb at my disposal, but I elect not to engage you with my rapier wit because I fear, alas, it would be wasted on such a loquacious consumer of moisturising creams and lotions, as it were. Irrevocably.

Be that as it may, with this surprising admission of yours, that you are, how shall we say, versed in the arts of carnal knowledge and indeed, at this very minute, you actually know someone of the fairer sex - "know" in the biblical sense, of course - may I suggest you partake in these wondrous delights and use your appendage in the manner of God's design, rather than spilling your seed all over this thread.

There's a good boy.

Tally ho!

It may have taken you close to two hours to compose, but this was actually far more amusing than your usual lowbrow bitterness
This has all been illuminating stuff, but to be honest it's all getting a bit silly and boring; I don't have any response to your post, and I reckon the thread speaks for itself ultimately anyway.

 

[seysearles]

Wow.
Let me get this straight : You think a bloke (Matthews) king hitting another bloke, who is unawares, breaking his jaw in two places, is what, a mild assault ??

That's fine, you go with that then

Fortunately the Victorian Police don't think like you do, or else the streets of Melbourne would even more perilous than they are now.

Seriously, you have rocks in your head seysearles, anyone who condones or downplays incidents like that is contemptible.

I have nothing more to say to you, you are clearly incapable of rational thought.

Listen here Mother Theresa. At the opening bounce of the 1989 grand final Mark Yeates lined up Dermott Brereton. He had no eyes for the ball. His intention was to take Hawthorns best player out of the game. He has even admitted as much. He hit him from the side with Brereton having no opportuity to defend himself and broke his ribs. Brereton went down like a sack of shit and immediately started coughing up blood. Now by your definition that is a serious assault. The fact is, its not. It was how the game was played in the 1980's and players and spectators alike knew it. Now here you are in 2012 trying to impose your sanitised take on it when the truth is Leigh Matthews and Mark Yeates were both doing what they had to do. The only difference is that Brereton took his whack and moved on (went and won a flag for us). Get off your high horse you one eyed fool.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Listen here Mother Theresa. At the opening bounce of the 1989 grand final Mark Yeates lined up Dermott Brereton. He had no eyes for the ball. His intention was to take Hawthorns best player out of the game. He has even admitted as much. He hit him from the side with Brereton having no opportuity to defend himself and broke his ribs. Brereton went down like a sack of shit and immediately started coughing up blood. Now by your definition that is a serious assault. The fact is, its not. It was how the game was played in the 1980's and players and spectators alike knew it. Now here you are in 2012 trying to impose your sanitised take on it when the truth is Leigh Matthews and Mark Yeates were both doing what they had to do. The only difference is that Brereton took his whack and moved on (went and won a flag for us). Get off your high horse you one eyed fool.

I disagree.

I honestly can't remember how many weeks Yeates was suspended for after the '89 GF charge, if any - I reckon he might not have even been reported at the time, trial-by-video might have been in it's infancy, you probably recall more.
These days it'd be intentional, reckless; all that and more. Not high, but clearly the pre-meditated nature of the act would come into consideration too.
An incident like that, today (and in a GF, where suspensions get added points; something like that), would cost Yeates plenty of weeks.

The Matthews incident was clearly severe enough to attract both a VFL investigation and subsequent police charges at the time.
The charges weren't laid retrospectively, beamed across from the Sanitised Future !!
It was no small matter, I remember it well, pictures of a swollen-faced Bruns on the front page of the Herald Sun, etc etc.

The game, whilst a lot tougher back then, rarely extended to outright king-hits with the ball nowhere to be seen.
To suggest Matthews was 'doing what he had to do' is ridiculous; Bruns wasn't even looking at him and posed him no threat, the game was played for relatively low stakes and as good as over anyway.

There were other similar incidents in the 80's like the Rod Grinter/Terry Wallace one which helped to shape the current touchy-feely climate in which, y'know, punching people in the face behind play is frowned upon.

 

[MinerBoy]

I'm not Pav4AA

Let's be honest. There has not been a club more in love with itself than Hawthorn these past five years. The fact they have underperformed is entirely related to their own hubris.

Interesting you find 1 flag, 1 2nd and 1 3rd under performing - all while being in competition with a terrific Geelong team (and the Pies) at the same time over a 5 year period.

Would you trade for our under performance?

 

[MinerBoy]

Oh of course Hawthorn supporters will handle it better. Hawthorn good / Geelong bad - we get it!

You have a complex and blame others - we get it! It isn't you!

 

[seysearles]

I disagree.

I honestly can't remember how many weeks Yeates was suspended for after the '89 GF charge, if any - I reckon he might not have even been reported at the time, trial-by-video might have been in it's infancy, you probably recall more.
These days it'd be intentional, reckless; all that and more. Not high, but clearly the pre-meditated nature of the act would come into consideration too.
An incident like that, today (and in a GF, where suspensions get added points; something like that), would cost Yeates plenty of weeks.

The Matthews incident was clearly severe enough to attract both a VFL investigation and subsequent police charges at the time.
The charges weren't laid retrospectively, beamed across from the Sanitised Future !!
It was no small matter, I remember it well, pictures of a swollen-faced Bruns on the front page of the Herald Sun, etc etc.

The game, whilst a lot tougher back then, rarely extended to outright king-hits with the ball nowhere to be seen.
To suggest Matthews was 'doing what he had to do' is ridiculous; Bruns wasn't even looking at him and posed him no threat, the game was played for relatively low stakes and as good as over anyway.

There were other similar incidents in the 80's like the Rod Grinter/Terry Wallace one which helped to shape the current touchy-feely climate in which, y'know, punching people in the face behind play is frowned upon.

My point is that to try to retrofit the Bruns incident as the catalyst between the current war between Geelong and Hawthorn is misleading. The real bitterness originated in 2008 when you lost the grand final. I don't think any Hawthorn people disliked Geelong all through the 80's or 90's. In fact I had a great deal of admiration for you after the 1989 final (which I was at incidentally). A lot of us supported you during those years. The dislike of your club and supporters comes from the way you handled the 2008 grand final. It was petulance of the highest order. Yeah you lost a grand final you should have won. Just like we did last weekend. Get over it. If we're holding on to residual bitterness towards Sydney by the end of the month I would be embarrassed of myself. How you let that game evolve into the animosity that abounds today is sad.

 

[romeoh]

My point is that to try to retrofit the Bruns incident as the catalyst between the current war between Geelong and Hawthorn is misleading. The real bitterness originated in 2008 when you lost the grand final. I don't think any Hawthorn people disliked Geelong all through the 80's or 90's. In fact I had a great deal of admiration for you after the 1989 final (which I was at incidentally). A lot of us supported you during those years. The dislike of your club and supporters comes from the way you handled the 2008 grand final. It was petulance of the highest order. Yeah you lost a grand final you should have won. Just like we did last weekend. Get over it. If we're holding on to residual bitterness towards Sydney by the end of the month I would be embarrassed of myself. How you let that game evolve into the animosity that abounds today is sad.

The animosity between Geelong and Hawthorn goes back as far as the early 60's. There was plenty of argy bargy with those clubs even then and has continued on. It is a two way street whereby supporters from both clubs have regulary carried on like pork chops. It is not a Geelong thing, nor is it a Hawthorn thing-it is both and equally so. (And your finger pointing post is exactly the stuff that perpetuates it.)

 

[Slattery_20]

This come up recently before the PF. McGuire questioned Kennett's comments, he asked Brereton that if Hawthorn were the best side in it, why was their record against Collingwood and Geelong 0 wins & 5 losses.

Dermie's direct response was when you've won 10 flags in the last 40 years (which is factually incorrect), past records in that season are irrelevant and we always win GF's. This is exactly the type of hubris that cost Hawthorn the game, they have entitlement issues and aren't the club that rode on the back of an unfair zone allocation in the 70's and 80's.

I feel sorry for the current president, whatever his name is.
Kennett did a lot of damage IMHO, keeping his name and his "achievements" front & centre at the minor expense of extinguishing any small chance the Hawks have ever had of going under the radar. Tirades that Clarkson is under pressure, this rule needs changing, game's for girls, Hawks get stiffed by the umpires, yada yada yada.
Never going to actually achieve anything, just self-serving, grandiose, noise.
I know what people are thinking - gee that's unlike him, based on his political career...

 

[Clay Davis]

Congratulations on dredging up the postings of one of the biggest tools in Bigfooty history. Maybe we'll judge you wharfie types by the posting of that oxygen thief Pav.

Pav supports GWS now.

 

[seysearles]

The animosity between Geelong and Hawthorn goes back as far as the early 60's. There was plenty of argy bargy with those clubs even then and has continued on. It is a two way street whereby supporters from both clubs have regulary carried on like pork chops. It is not a Geelong thing, nor is it a Hawthorn thing-it is both and equally so. (And your finger pointing post is exactly the stuff that perpetuates it.)

I think your deluding yourself if you think the rivalry pre-2008 and post-2008 are comparable. I didn't live through the 60's and 70's but i did through the 80's 90's and 00's and the level of spite between the two teams now is just not in the same ball park. As i've mentioned I used to actually like Geelong and i've heard many hawks supporters say the same. In fact I remember feeling gutted for them when they lost that semi against Sydney in 2005 and supporting them in the 2007 grand final. Now i just think the team and in particular their fans are a bunch of massive w@nkers who have held a grudge toward a club and its supporters for something that was essentially their own doing.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Congratulations on dredging up the postings of one of the biggest tools in Bigfooty history. Maybe we'll judge you wharfie types by the posting of that oxygen thief Pav.

All I said was that the term 'Bradbury Premiership' was coined by a Hawk in relation to 2007.

There goes seysearles petty 'Cats started it' line. Thanks Clay, wrestling with the hopeless search system on this website was more thna I could bear

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

My point is that to try to retrofit the Bruns incident as the catalyst between the current war between Geelong and Hawthorn is misleading. The real bitterness originated in 2008 when you lost the grand final. I don't think any Hawthorn people disliked Geelong all through the 80's or 90's. In fact I had a great deal of admiration for you after the 1989 final (which I was at incidentally). A lot of us supported you during those years. The dislike of your club and supporters comes from the way you handled the 2008 grand final. It was petulance of the highest order. Yeah you lost a grand final you should have won. Just like we did last weekend. Get over it. If we're holding on to residual bitterness towards Sydney by the end of the month I would be embarrassed of myself. How you let that game evolve into the animosity that abounds today is sad.

You are full of it. This is not correct. Your personal experience may vary from actual reality.

 

[Topper Harley]

I think your deluding yourself if you think the rivalry pre-2008 and post-2008 are comparable. I didn't live through the 60's and 70's but i did through the 80's 90's and 00's and the level of spite between the two teams now is just not in the same ball park. As i've mentioned I used to actually like Geelong and i've heard many hawks supporters say the same. In fact I remember feeling gutted for them when they lost that semi against Sydney in 2005 and supporting them in the 2007 grand final. Now i just think the team and in particular their fans are a bunch of massive w@nkers who have held a grudge toward a club and its supporters for something that was essentially their own doing.

This is how all these threads play out

Hawthorn supporter "Just get over 2008, I'd be so over it."

Geelong suppporter "I am over it, we've won 2 flags and haven't lost to you since"

HS "haha, no you're not, why can't you get over it?"

 

[LongBomb]

Hawk supporters having a hard time digesting their humble pie.
Bringing up Bruns, Yeates, Guerra etc? FFS. It aint going to bring back the lost flag fellas.

 

[seysearles]

All I said was that the term 'Bradbury Premiership' was coined by a Hawk in relation to 2007.

There goes seysearles petty 'Cats started it' line. Thanks Clay, wrestling with the hopeless search system on this website was more thna I could bear

You were right. I apologise. I still maintain what I said though. The spite increased exponentially post-2008. Now you may say thats cos we acted like dicks in victory but I maintain you guys just didn't and continue not to handle it well.

And back to my original point ... I'm quite proud that we haven't turned feral in defeat.