Hypothetical Trade

[jackson_rules]

understandable.

my point was richmond cant expect to rock up to the trade, tap their nose and say "PSD" because there will be at least some competition.

you seem scared that you will lose him for nothing, he is a highly rated kid the only we get hikm for nothing is if he decides richmond and 1st thing he still hasnt said he wants to leave maybe he wants to see how he wants a big second half and get a few more dollars in his pocket

 

[jackson_rules]

Why are we talking trade value anyway? He'll play most of the remaining games and sign a new deal. Plus he's living with VB.

living with van berlo means nothing, i dont understand all this crap. some richmond supporters think we have him already, some adelaide supporters think he deffinantly going to sign just wait and see instead of argueing over it lol

 

[Go_Dogs]

Fortunately, you're gut feel won't weigh in to any real trade discussions.

Secondly it is highly likely that Meesen will play AFL this year and this will no doubt boost his trade value and thirdly, he has just returned from injury (why he was getting some match fitness/practice in the reserves) and should definetely be playing in Norwood's league side this week.

I don't see why you have to try and be offensive, I was asking a question and posting my opinion.

Faulkner HAS played AFL this year, he HAS been amongst the best in the VFL seniors side on numerous occasions. Meesen will play for the 'Legs league side this week no doubt, and he should be doing everything in his power to push for AFL selection. If he manages to break through for some senior games this year I highly doubt that he'll move on anyway. If on the other hand he doesn't get much opportunity (either due to form or others in front of him), I feel he'll most likely move on. If that happens I think the Crows will look very closely at what sort of fringe player they can pick up (certainly no one is going to trade anything higher than perhaps a 'swap your second round pick for ours' type of deal), and for mine, Faulkner fits your needs for a small forward/midfield player who imo would fit in well with your game plan, and game style. He's a very hard, courageous player.

Anyway...

I think you need to take your blinkers off

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

you seem scared that you will lose him for nothing, he is a highly rated kid the only we get hikm for nothing is if he decides richmond and 1st thing he still hasnt said he wants to leave maybe he wants to see how he wants a big second half and get a few more dollars in his pocket

LoL

Wooden Spooner's tip #4: "Do not overestimate the PSD"

Trust me, Im a Carlton supporter - aside from picks #1, #2 (Rawlings, Stevens) in 2003, the PSD has been fruitless.

Players don't want to be tagged as "mercenaries" anymore.

 

[bus24]

you seem scared that you will lose him for nothing, he is a highly rated kid the only we get hikm for nothing is if he decides richmond and 1st thing he still hasnt said he wants to leave maybe he wants to see how he wants a big second half and get a few more dollars in his pocket

Even once I've deciphered that post, well semi-deciphered, it's still trash.

He won't leave and even if he did, it wouldn't be via the PSD.

The sooner he re-signs the better. I'm getting mighty sick of some of the crap posted on here.

 

[bus24]

living with van berlo means nothing, i dont understand all this crap. some richmond supporters think we have him already, some adelaide supporters think he deffinantly going to sign just wait and see instead of argueing over it lol

It doesn't? Living with a leader means nothing? From what I understand they're very good mates too.

Would have thought mateship had a rather large bearing on any decision.

Before sprouting your crap on this board again, please learn the English language.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Faulkner for Jericho.

I think this is one that potentially has some merit also. Both are fringe players who still have the talent and potential to make it. I thought Jericho is someone that the Dogs could potentially look at too, as he's a utility sort of player who good athleticism which is something that we look for.

 

[bus24]

I think this is one that potentially has some merit also. Both are fringe players who still have the talent and potential to make it. I thought Jericho is someone that the Dogs could potentially look at too, as he's a utility sort of player who good athleticism which is something that we look for.

I'm not sold on Faulkner, far from it. But if someone is willing to take Jericho off our hands then they're welcome.

Jericho and Doogs in the same forwardline. Just screams "Hardball gets and tackles" doesn't it.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Meeson + your 1st rounder, 3rd rounder

for Fevola.

 

[jo172]

Meeson + your 1st rounder, 3rd rounder

for Fevola.

Throw in your 4th rounder and it's a deal

 

[Drummond]

Not quite the response I was looking for, haha. Faulkner is still a player that I feel has some worth and value at AFL level, and is the sort of 'fringe' player that you should hope to get for Meesen. He's not really going to be worth anything at the moment, hasn't played a single AFL game, and is struggling along in the SANFL reserves. Not exactly a lot of weight to go with his high draft ranking.

I think he'll be someone that the Dogs genuinely look at. What would you consider a fair trade? (please note, and bs about Cooney+Griffen for Meesen etc. will be ignored, but anyone who wants to have a genuine attempt and explain their statements, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts.)

Can you please actually comment when you have a clue about the situation? You claim Meesen is “struggling along in the SANFL reserves”? Seriously, get a clue. You want to know the REASON why he’s playing reserves? He’s just come back from a severe knee injury that kept him out for 3 months. His first game back he played a half a game, in his second game back he had 18 kicks, 9 marks, 13 hitouts and was named 3rd best. So is he struggling in the reserves, or is it that you don’t have the slightest idea about the situation?

And let’s asses the trade you have proposed, okay? Faulkner is 23 years of age, and has played a total of 18 games. He’s a goal sneak but other than his AFL debut he hasn’t kicked more than 1 goal in a game. As a matter of fact, he’s averaged half a goal per game in his career. How pathetic is that? And then this year in round 9 vs Sydney he finally got another chance to prove his worth, and he was atrocious. He barely put in an effort and looked far from dangerous.

 

[Crow-mo]

What about Cameron Faulkner?

many people have asked that very question. including one cameron faulkner.

 

[MmkMrMackie]

many people have asked that very question. including one cameron faulkner.

What about Cameron Faulkner, it isn't fair... Cameron Faulkner's had enough, now he wants his share - cant you see... he wants to live, but you guys are just taking more than you give...

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Throw in your 4th rounder and it's a deal

excellent,

I'll send Fev on the next flight to the Lade.

 

[Drummond]

Would we be interested in Sydney’s Heath Grundy? He’s a ready made forward who is struggling to break into the Swans settled forward line. He’s consistently tearing it up in their local league, not that you can read anything into their local competition, but he must be frustrated with lack of opportunities. He’s a terrific contested mark and he’s versatile as he can also play down back. I doubt we would have to give up anything too valuable to get him either.

Meyer would be my first priority and perhaps the most realistic target; I wouldn’t think Grundy is out of the equation and while I would love Dowler he’s obviously the least likely.

 

[macca23]

Would we be interested in Sydney’s Heath Grundy? He’s a ready made forward who is struggling to break into the Swans settled forward line. He’s consistently tearing it up in their local league, not that you can read anything into their local competition, but he must be frustrated with lack of opportunities. He’s a terrific contested mark and he’s versatile as he can also play down back. I doubt we would have to give up anything too valuable to get him either.

Meyer would be my first priority and perhaps the most realistic target; I wouldn’t think Grundy is out of the equation and while I would love Dowler he’s obviously the least likely.

Monfries, Monfries, Monfries.

Should be the target - classy mid-fielder with 10 years in him.

 

[bus24]

Monfries, Monfries, Monfries.

Should be the target - classy mid-fielder with 10 years in him.

If Meese didn't sign a new deal could Angus be involved in a trade? I'm not sure on Essendons ruck situation, but IIRC they didn't draft one in the draft just gone. I doubt they'd sell up though.

Plus I don't believe Ryder is a ruckman, so that leaves them with Hille, Laycock...... who else?

 

[Drummond]

Monfries, Monfries, Monfries.

Should be the target - classy mid-fielder with 10 years in him.

He’s having a shocking year for Essendon macca. I’ve always been convinced he’s a 200+ game player but this year I’ve had a few doubts enter my mind.

But regardless, he’s seen as leadership material and I highly doubt they’ll let him go. Chances are we would have to trade our 1st rounder for him, and maybe another pick or player on top of that. Not worth it. We had our chance to nab him in the draft, but overlooked him. Too late now I would think.

 

[Vader]

Would we be interested in Sydney’s Heath Grundy? He’s a ready made forward who is struggling to break into the Swans settled forward line. He’s consistently tearing it up in their local league, not that you can read anything into their local competition, but he must be frustrated with lack of opportunities. He’s a terrific contested mark and he’s versatile as he can also play down back. I doubt we would have to give up anything too valuable to get him either.

Meyer would be my first priority and perhaps the most realistic target; I wouldn’t think Grundy is out of the equation and while I would love Dowler he’s obviously the least likely.

This is a VERY interesting suggestion.

Grundy is a South Australian (yes, he's a Norwood boy - why else would Drummond be suggesting him). He's impressed me in the few games he has played, but it is very hard for him to break into the current Swans forward line.

The Swans reserves play in the ACTAFL, which is nowhere near the standard of the VFL/SANFL/WAFL, so I wouldn't necessarily read too much into his performances there though.

Sydney could well be in the market for a young ruckman - Spida has an awful lot of miles on the clock and probably wouldn't be expected to play past 2008. They delisted most of the young rucks they had on the list going into the 2006 ND, not sure if they re-stocked or not.

If this deal were to proceed, I would expect Sydney to sweeten the pot. Maybe Meesen in exchange for Grundy + their 2nd round pick (which will be a late in the 2nd round) though the Crows might settle for Grundy + 3rd round. Actually, the deal I would do:
Meesen + Adelaide's 3rd round pick -> Sydney
Grundy + Sydney's 2nd round pick -> Adelaide

 

[Vader]

Faulkner for Jericho.

This strikes me as being a fair trade.

No way on earth I'd be looking at getting Faulkner for Meese, but for Jericho? Where do we sign?

 

[Crowked]

Meesen + Adelaide's 3rd round pick -> Sydney
Grundy + Sydney's 2nd round pick -> Adelaide

I think there is less chance of Meesen agreeing to go to Sydney than there is of him staying at the AFC. If we trade him, it will be to a Victorian team, no doubt about that. Grundy and Sydney could still be involved as a third party in a complicated trade but not in a direct swap for Meesen. Personally though, I think Grundy isnt what we need, he's another third string forward, who will never IMO be a true key forward of any note.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Can you please actually comment when you have a clue about the situation? You claim Meesen is “struggling along in the SANFL reserves”? Seriously, get a clue. You want to know the REASON why he’s playing reserves? He’s just come back from a severe knee injury that kept him out for 3 months. His first game back he played a half a game, in his second game back he had 18 kicks, 9 marks, 13 hitouts and was named 3rd best. So is he struggling in the reserves, or is it that you don’t have the slightest idea about the situation?

And let’s asses the trade you have proposed, okay? Faulkner is 23 years of age, and has played a total of 18 games. He’s a goal sneak but other than his AFL debut he hasn’t kicked more than 1 goal in a game. As a matter of fact, he’s averaged half a goal per game in his career. How pathetic is that? And then this year in round 9 vs Sydney he finally got another chance to prove his worth, and he was atrocious. He barely put in an effort and looked far from dangerous.

I'm an Adelaide based Norwood supporter, so I'm quite aware of his injuries, and the fact that he was having an excellent pre-season by all reports prior to sustaining his injury. My statement probably was a little more negative towards Meesen than the situation actually is in reality, but I was trying to make a point. A lot of the supporters on here are looking at his value through rose-coloured glasses, and I think realistically he isn't worth as much as many in this thread seem to believe.

Cam has been starved of opportunity, and if you had the slightest idea about the situation you'd know that he received very little game time in his match this year, he was playing out of the backline and really looked to be running around without much purpose, something which I don't believe is Cam's fault. He's very determined to make it, he's been working hard, and has had his first injury free year since he's been on our list. He's knocking on the door most weeks, and will probably get more opportunities as the season develops.

Ti's all good, but just think some of you here are being a bit precious. I wasn't trying to troll, or anything else and I think some of your reactions have been a bit disappointing. Anyway, best of luck for the rest of the season, and let's hope Meesen has a good weekend.

 

[Vader]

I think there is less chance of Meesen agreeing to go to Sydney than there is of him staying at the AFC. If we trade him, it will be to a Victorian team, no doubt about that. Grundy and Sydney could still be involved as a third party in a complicated trade but not in a direct swap for Meesen. Personally though, I think Grundy isnt what we need, he's another third string forward, who will never IMO be a true key forward of any note.

Fair call.

Then again, we have a long history of accepting 3rd tall forwards. We have at least 5 of them on our list (Welsh, Bock, KMac, Perrie, Steven). When, oh when, will we be able to find a genuine 1st or 2nd tall forward? (Hopefully, we already have them in Sellar, Tippett & Griffin, but they need time to develop).

 

[johnnypanther]

This is a VERY interesting suggestion.

Grundy is a South Australian (yes, he's a Norwood boy - why else would Drummond be suggesting him). He's impressed me in the few games he has played, but it is very hard for him to break into the current Swans forward line.

The Swans reserves play in the ACTAFL, which is nowhere near the standard of the VFL/SANFL/WAFL, so I wouldn't necessarily read too much into his performances there though.

Sydney could well be in the market for a young ruckman - Spida has an awful lot of miles on the clock and probably wouldn't be expected to play past 2008. They delisted most of the young rucks they had on the list going into the 2006 ND, not sure if they re-stocked or not.

If this deal were to proceed, I would expect Sydney to sweeten the pot. Maybe Meesen in exchange for Grundy + their 2nd round pick (which will be a late in the 2nd round) though the Crows might settle for Grundy + 3rd round. Actually, the deal I would do:
Meesen + Adelaide's 3rd round pick -> Sydney
Grundy + Sydney's 2nd round pick -> Adelaide

i wouldnt do that - IMO would be a waste of Meesen's trade value

Grundy is really only a 3rd forward and we have plenty of them

Furthermore, Grundy would just be a continuation of our failed trading over the years for a key forward (eg Standfield, Schell, Fitzgerald,etc)

IMO we go with what we've got, unless we go all out for a proven topflight forward such as Pavlich.

 

[Crow-mo]

I'm an Adelaide based Norwood supporter, so I'm quite aware of his injuries, and the fact that he was having an excellent pre-season by all reports prior to sustaining his injury. My statement probably was a little more negative towards Meesen than the situation actually is in reality, but I was trying to make a point. A lot of the supporters on here are looking at his value through rose-coloured glasses, and I think realistically he isn't worth as much as many in this thread seem to believe.

Cam has been starved of opportunity, and if you had the slightest idea about the situation you'd know that he received very little game time in his match this year, he was playing out of the backline and really looked to be running around without much purpose, something which I don't believe is Cam's fault. He's very determined to make it, he's been working hard, and has had his first injury free year since he's been on our list. He's knocking on the door most weeks, and will probably get more opportunities as the season develops.

Ti's all good, but just think some of you here are being a bit precious. I wasn't trying to troll, or anything else and I think some of your reactions have been a bit disappointing. Anyway, best of luck for the rest of the season, and let's hope Meesen has a good weekend.

sorry, try as you might you're not getting around a simple fact:

Faulkner is delist material. dud.