I-Mac

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Anyone who tries to diss the Macs is either too poor to own one and jealous, or has tried to use one briefly and couldn't adapt to the changes so gave up before they could realise the vast superiority of the mac machine.

You'd have to be brain dead to struggle with a Mac because they are computers made for dummies. Jealous? Yeah, I'm jealous I bought a PC over 2 years ago that is still better value than anything Apple have on offer today. $1000 PC bought 2 years ago STILL shits all over the current $1600 iMac. Laughable how badly Apple customers get bent over and yet still have the nerve to call others dumb.

 

[Messenger]

$1000 PC bought 2 years ago STILL shits all over the current $1600 iMac.

You still haven't been able to tell us how it "shits all over" a Mac other than quoting chip speeds and prices, which at best is a disingenuous argument.
I think all Mac users are aware they pay a premium.

The best thing that ever happened to Apple was Windows Vista. Those of us running units using XP were faced with "upgrading" to a cumbersome OS with stability issues and driver compatibility problems in the early days. There was a very good reason why businesses stayed with XP or even NT rather than move to Vista. Fancy upgraded the hardware on 75 windows machines? You looking for reliability, not a pretty GUI in that environment.

So if you were looking to buy a new system, it was easy to run into the arms of Apple. And frankly worthwhile. Everything just works. Every single time. And I cannot say that about any Windows machine I've used.

Windows 7 is the best PC experience yet. But how many of us who went to Apple are going to come back now Microsoft has nearly caught up? Bugger all I'd imagine.

 

[azreal]

You still haven't been able to tell us how it "shits all over" a Mac other than quoting chip speeds and prices, which at best is a disingenuous argument.
I think all Mac users are aware they pay a premium.

The best thing that ever happened to Apple was Windows Vista. Those of us running units using XP were faced with "upgrading" to a cumbersome OS with stability issues and driver compatibility problems in the early days. There was a very good reason why businesses stayed with XP or even NT rather than move to Vista. Fancy upgraded the hardware on 75 windows machines? You looking for reliability, not a pretty GUI in that environment.

So if you were looking to buy a new system, it was easy to run into the arms of Apple. And frankly worthwhile. Everything just works. Every single time. And I cannot say that about any Windows machine I've used.

Windows 7 is the best PC experience yet. But how many of us who went to Apple are going to come back now Microsoft has nearly caught up? Bugger all I'd imagine.

Absolutely.

I laugh at the PC fanbois who think that apples are for people who can't understand computers. It has not dawned on them that apple users just love hassle free computing. I have never had a problem with a mac (apart from my son pouring a glass of water over it- machine survived).

 

[nicky]

except i have far less trouble running my Macbook than either of the 3 windows laptops i own. (a Toshiba and 2 HPs)

it boots way faster, it's more reliable, the memory management seems better, i rarely have to shut it down like its windows counterparts, the OS is a doddle.


if your in a race to the bottom, the windows laptops are on the surface better value, but 3 yrs of trouble free computing have sold me on the mac. my personal laptops will continue to be macs irrespective of the cost given the trouble free computing i have experienced.

exactly

tiro, if you just compare specs then pc's look like they blow macs out of the water but when it comes to actual performace macs are light years ahead of pcs.

The only thing i don't like about mac's is excel, luckily i have a dell work laptop so can use that when i need to. I have an imac at home, i bought it last year and love it.

Does anyone know of places i could pick up bargain software? I really need final cut pro.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Had my iMac for 3 years. Not one single problem with it and I use it every single day. Time get something a bit faster though so I'll probably go the new 21.5" iMac.

My only criticism with the current model (and that for the last few years) is the glossy screen and not having the option to get a matte one.

Like previous posters have said, people tend to criticise Mac products when they haven't actually used one at length. Once you use it, it's amazingly functional and everything tends to work every single time. I use Windows every now and then for games (on my Mac) and you find out how untidy everything is and really how childish it is as an operating system in terms of it's colour. OSX has a much more mature and polished feel to it.

I've never had a problem with software either (except for games). Being a graphic designer though, I suppose what I really need is what the thing is built for so I don't have a problem with it.

Windows XP is the best OS for a PC though. Have to disagree with the Windows 7 statement. It's not too far behind, but all the desktop crap it has on it just takes up RAM space. At least with OSX you have Dashboard which makes it a bit more optional to look at without closing it down.

 

[spitlizard]

You are paying a premium but it is not only for the apple logo.

You have an operating system that is designed specifically to be used on that hardware, and vica versa.

Yes it's called a monopoly...
Runs along the same lines as dictatorship or perhaps Socialism!!

 

[Nardz]

Yes it's called a monopoly...
Runs along the same lines as dictatorship or perhaps Socialism!!

lol get a clue

 

[absy]

I ****ing hate apple with a passion but there build/quality is top class.

 

[TigerCleavage]

I ****ing hate apple with a passion but there build/quality is top class.

This is very true. Funny story, late last year I was at the dump getting rid of an old eMac I had. The casing is just plastic and I got to drop it a good 30 feet off a platform into the empty steel bin below. I slammed that mother so hard off the platform but it didn't even crack, I was so gutted expecting it to completely shatter.

 

[spitlizard]

lol get a clue

That depends on whether I would need to spend an extra grand to get this "clue" as is Apples way

 

[the_fresh]

Typical. PC users are so software illiterate. Good software (Adobe products, Final Cut Pro, OSX) cost upwards of $1000... Stick with your home-brand products by all means, but don't try to act like you know a mac inside out. - Truth is you've barely touched one.

Adobe products were built for OSX, Final Cut pro is the best editing suite for video out there and OSX is so bloody simple to use it takes PC users months to work out.

 

[red+black]

Add me to the list. I have an old PC and have been looking at my upgrade options. New PC, netbook, MacBook Pro, iMac, ... For a while I was keen on a MacBook Pro even though I don't really need the portability, but I now have my eyes set on an entry level 21" iMac. I want less clutter, I don't want an ugly tower with cables everywhere, and I want to move closer to the cloud (I use Gmail, Google Contacts and Google Calendar). JB HiFi recently had a 10% off sale, which brings the system down to $1439. I think that's pretty good for what you get. No doubt you can build a decent PC for that, but I really don't want a PC, really don't want Windows.

I work in IT and administer Windows servers and databases on those servers, so it's impossible for me to completely escape their grasp. Unfortunately I may have to install Windows with VMWare/Parallels for some poker programs, but other than that, I have no real need for Windows.

I think the arguments for and against any system are ridiculous. There are different ways to achieve the same result, and a Mac is not for everyone, just as a PC is not for everyone. You can buy a car for 15k, 40k or 80k, they all pretty much do the same thing, but we all have different needs and expectations. I'm happy to pay what I consider a fair price for what I want. I will be very happy paying $1500 for an iMac. Would I be just as happy paying $1200 for an arguably better PC? Yeah probably, but at this point in time, I want a change, I want a Mac, and that's all there is to it. Calling anybody that buys a Mac a fanboy is childish.

 

[spitlizard]

OK, here's one for you "Macsperts"out there

do any of you know how the HELL to set easy printer defaults from a Mac "server" across a network for network printers to client PC's????

Please don't tell me it's through that bloody \\etc\cups thing some apple guy told me last week because that is far too difficult for end users!!!

I need to know because the customers I have to deal with who insist on apple keep asking me and I don't know

In windows you just go to the properties tab and make the changes....is it that easy in leopard or snow???

 

[Funkalicous]

Please don't tell me it's through that bloody \\etc\cups thing some apple guy told me last week because that is far too difficult for end users!!!

/etc/cups sounds ok... I'm guessing you're not the IT guy then?

 

[spitlizard]

/etc/cups sounds ok... I'm guessing you're not the IT guy then?

Not in the Iworld

 

[ARES]

My 2 cents worth

Now personally I'd pick the notebook over the mac anytime

for under $1000 you can get an i5 with Win 7, 320GB and a handy graphics card

I'd get Win Ultimate
Free Windows media player, Video editing software and a few handy apps with Windows

Now this is the catch....

If you were to keep your notebook simple with only the above apps ( like a shutdown Mac OS has) you will not come across any issues. The issues occur because with Windows you have the freedom to install any of the million of apps that are out there. These programs are what mostly get infected or have "exposed" doors open for viruses to attack your notebook/pcs. The apps that were most vulnerable were not Windows apps, actually Adobe flash and a couple of other Adobe products fared pretty bad.
At least Microsoft release patches and updates often and for many apps.
Keep it simple and basic and your notebook will run as well or better than any mac OS system and for a fraction of the price.

It's a myth that Mac OS can not be infected by viruses. The catch is it is harder as Mac OS limit app installations I believe only for apps created/approved by apple $$. Also why would one write a virus to infect the small % of Macs when they can write a virus and infect the billions of Windows operated hardware

Me personally cant resist and love to install many apps...I love the freedom and choice that comes with Windows.

 

[Nardz]

My 2 cents worth

Now personally I'd pick the notebook over the mac anytime

for under $1000 you can get an i5 with Win 7, 320GB and a handy graphics card

I'd get Win Ultimate
Free Windows media player, Video editing software and a few handy apps with Windows

Now this is the catch....

If you were to keep your notebook simple with only the above apps ( like a shutdown Mac OS has) you will not come across any issues. The issues occur because with Windows you have the freedom to install any of the million of apps that are out there. These programs are what mostly get infected or have "exposed" doors open for viruses to attack your notebook/pcs. The apps that were most vulnerable were not Windows apps, actually Adobe flash and a couple of other Adobe products fared pretty bad.
At least Microsoft release patches and updates often and for many apps.
Keep it simple and basic and your notebook will run as well or better than any mac OS system and for a fraction of the price.

It's a myth that Mac OS can not be infected by viruses. The catch is it is harder as Mac OS limit app installations I believe only for apps created/approved by apple $$. Also why would one write a virus to infect the small % of Macs when they can write a virus and infect the billions of Windows operated hardware

Me personally cant resist and love to install many apps...I love the freedom and choice that comes with Windows.

not entirely accurate.. though you're on the right track..

the problem with windows is that when you install programs, they leave behind registry entries even after you've uninstalled them. you can never truly completely uninstall something unless you go scouring through the registry every time. this is why if you're a heavy user like yourself who likes to install alot of programs you need to do a format pretty much annualy because your computer will start to develop some serious lag.


with osx, im no expert as ive only had one for 10 months, but as far as im aware, pretty much every app you install puts everything into its app folder.. to uninstall it is simply a matter of dragging the app icon into recycle bin and its gone for good - all traces are gone for good.

ive had my macbook since july and i can safely say it runs as efficiently as they day i bought it. you could NEVER say that for a PC

and also your point regarding adobe being bad... problem with that is you NEED to install adobe or something like that if you want to be able to view pdf's. im not sure about windows 7 but i know vista didnt open pdf's out of the box. mac has the previewer that does it for you so you can get away without installing adobe reader.

if someone told me they wanted to spend no more than $1000 on a notebook then yeah i wouldnt be suggesting a mac.. but for heavy computer users that i know who dont mind forking out that extra coin for a machine that is built better and works better and will simply make life easier for them, then i would recommend a mac every day of the week.

and im not a mac fanboy.. my mate was trying to get me over to the "dark side" for about 2 years before i finally gave in and bought one.. was a pc user from the age of 10 (am now 27) back in the windows 3.11 days... and i cant see myself looking back any time soon

still use a pc at work.. so i have my vista notebook.. when i bought my macbook i figured if i ever needed windows for anything i've got my work laptop - though that hasnt been an issue for quite a while...