I'm a bit confused....

[nut]

Carteledge Breaks into the side at the end of the year after being elevated due to a long term injury...He plays ok and looks the part which makes you think that he is ahead of Graham in the long term.

We then re-sign Graham.

We then go all guns firing into the trade period linking our selves to every ruckman available???

Me thinks TW doesn't want a ruck .... his inclusion of Carteledge in the side was a message to the new recruitment team " look this is our 4th ruckman and he goes alright"

Now it seems we are prepared to decrease our KPP by trading shulz for a pick to secure a b grade ruckman.... or worst still give up 8 + a player for Macintosh. WTF????....

With the 4 boundary umpires coming into play, tall lumbering ruckman with poor motors are going to be dinosaurs. This is the wrong year to chase a rucks.... we will pay more than they are worth and we may end up with a great ruckman that wont be able to get to contests.

Lets stick with what we have and continue with the midfield recruitment.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Fact of the matter is Simmo isnt getting any younger.
We may get an extra year out of simmo by playing him more up fwd from now on.
Simmo,s current understudies are not up to it.We need a mature Ruckman to takeover Simmo now.Not wait 3-4yrs.

 

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Carteledge Breaks into the side at the end of the year after being elevated due to a long term injury...He plays ok and looks the part which makes you think that he is ahead of Graham in the long term.

We then re-sign Graham.

We then go all guns firing into the trade period linking our selves to every ruckman available???

Me thinks TW doesn't want a ruck .... his inclusion of Carteledge in the side was a message to the new recruitment team " look this is our 4th ruckman and he goes alright"

Now it seems we are prepared to decrease our KPP by trading shulz for a pick to secure a b grade ruckman.... or worst still give up 8 + a player for Macintosh. WTF????....

With the 4 boundary umpires coming into play, tall lumbering ruckman with poor motors are going to be dinosaurs. This is the wrong year to chase a rucks.... we will pay more than they are worth and we may end up with a great ruckman that wont be able to get to contests.

Lets stick with what we have and continue with the midfield recruitment.

I have a theory Nut.

Say we get Seaby we will play Simmonds as a forward, with Seaby taking the centre bounce and then working his way back to play a kick behind the play in other words he helps out the defence by filling the hole but also takes the ruck in the back half, nullifying the effect of the 4 boundary umpires.

In the meantime Simmonds plays up at CHF, solves our issue regarding this position while Hughes/Gourdis/Putt develop and also gives us a mobile ruckman who can take ruck contests in the forward half without leaving us exposed down back.

Seaby being only 24 years old will give us a ruckman who will be able to be Simmonds replacement straight up if Simmonds gets hurt, but could also be around long term to take over number 1 ruck duties when Simmonds does retire in 2-3 years time. Along the way we don't have to push Graham or Putt(more forward than ruck IMO) before they are really ready to compete as first choice ruckman.

 

[CoggaRules]

I have a theory Nut.

Say we get Seaby we will play Simmonds as a forward, with Seaby taking the centre bounce and then working his way back to play a kick behind the play in other words he helps out the defence by filling the hole but also takes the ruck in the back half, nullifying the effect of the 4 boundary umpires.

In the meantime Simmonds plays up at CHF, solves our issue regarding this position while Hughes/Gourdis/Putt develop and also gives us a mobile ruckman who can take ruck contests in the forward half without leaving us exposed down back.

Seaby being only 24 years old will give us a ruckman who will be able to be Simmonds replacement straight up if Simmonds gets hurt, but could also be around long term to take over number 1 ruck duties when Simmonds does retire in 2-3 years time. Along the way we don't have to push Graham or Putt(more forward than ruck IMO) before they are really ready to compete as first choice ruckman.

with all due respect to Seaby RT, if we are going hell for leather for a ruckman at the trade table, then McIntosh would be the one I would be gunning for.

 

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with all due respect to Seaby RT, if we are going hell for leather for a ruckman at the trade table, then McIntosh would be the one I would be gunning for.

Don't get me wrong Cogga, I would love to get McIntosh as well but I doubt the club will be willing to give up pick 8 to get him and the Roos wont give him up for anything other than a first round.

 

[CoggaRules]

Don't get me wrong Cogga, I would love to get McIntosh as well but I doubt the club will be willing to give up pick 8 to get him and the Roos wont give him up for anything other than a first round.

the tigers need to be wary. The universe knows where we are at when talking ruckman and the roos would know that they might be a chance to nab no. 8 from us, if we are that desperate. No more spudisms please.

 

[nathanchelsea]

mc intosh is very athletic and with simmonds we can have a deadly ruck combo. It will take pick 8 and a player though.

 

[CoggaRules]

mc intosh is very athletic and with simmonds we can have a deadly ruck combo. It will take pick 8 and a player though.

that is exactly what the roos want. The value of first round picks from this years draft has doubled, with the what lies ahead in the future drafts. They are sacrificing a young ruckman, in order to have at least 2 first round picks this year, since they have got themselves in a spot where they know that they ****ed up with top ups, in the last couple of years, because they thought they were contenders.
i.e. they are in a hole re. future development, we arent. With the state of their club, i.e on its last legs, they cant afford to not draft high picks this year. Because they are ****ed in 3 years, when the likes of boomer and co will start slowing down, with shit coming up behind them and 3 and a dog wathching.

 

[TIGER03]

I have a theory Nut.

Say we get Seaby we will play Simmonds as a forward, with Seaby taking the centre bounce and then working his way back to play a kick behind the play in other words he helps out the defence by filling the hole but also takes the ruck in the back half, nullifying the effect of the 4 boundary umpires.

In the meantime Simmonds plays up at CHF, solves our issue regarding this position while Hughes/Gourdis/Putt develop and also gives us a mobile ruckman who can take ruck contests in the forward half without leaving us exposed down back.

Seaby being only 24 years old will give us a ruckman who will be able to be Simmonds replacement straight up if Simmonds gets hurt, but could also be around long term to take over number 1 ruck duties when Simmonds does retire in 2-3 years time. Along the way we don't have to push Graham or Putt(more forward than ruck IMO) before they are really ready to compete as first choice ruckman.

RT what happens when seaby is getting smacked in the ruck.

 

[mitch richmond]

Seaby might be worth getting. As for McIntosh, he played some good footy in '07 but disappeared in '08. I was watching him closely when we played the Kangaroos earlier in the year and he is undoubtedly the slowest bloke in the AFL. My mate and I were cacking ourselves watching him try to get to boundary throw ins.

 

[nut]

RT what happens when seaby is getting smacked in the ruck.

he has to run really fast to get down back.....


Seriously... Rucks are well over rated as shown by this years GF.

Invest more into the midfield. Keep pick eight...

Craig Cameron is going the easy option at the moment.

.. Lets better ourselves in the draft not worsen it.

If they Trade Shulz we basically are going into next season 2 talls short with Polaks injury....

 

[Morro]

I am so suprised people think we have a surplus of rucks. We have one ruckman in simmo who can play at senior level and an honest tryer in patto who is not up to it. There is no guarantee and in actual fact alot of doubt as to whether Graham, Cartledge, Putt and co will ever make it as senior footballers. So the club is forced to acquire a reday made ruckman due to poor planning in the past.

 

[mitch richmond]

I am so suprised people think we have a surplus of rucks. We have one ruckman in simmo who can play at senior level and an honest tryer in patto who is not up to it. There is no guarantee and in actual fact alot of doubt as to whether Graham, Cartledge, Putt and co will ever make it as senior footballers. So the club is forced to acquire a reday made ruckman due to poor planning in the past.

Gee cop that Dean Putt! You haven't even been in the AFL System for a full 12 months. You're 202cm, 90kgs, quick and about to start your second pre-season as a teenager and Morrows gone and written you off!!!!! GOLD!!!!!!!!

 

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RT what happens when seaby is getting smacked in the ruck.

Had a feeling that someone would ask this so I thought I would have a look at games Seaby played when Cox was missing over the last few years. Here is the breakdown of those games:

Round 7 2007: 17 disposals 7 marks 16 hitouts 4 tackles against Geelong. Loss.
Round 2 2007: 13 disposals 4 marks 24 hitouts 5 tackles against the Pies. Win
Round 1 2007: 13 disposals 4 marks 23 hitouts 2 tackles 2 goals against the Swans. Win
Round 18 2006: 17 disposals 5 marks 16 hitouts 3 tackles against the Saints. Win
Round 17 2006: 9 disposals 2 marks 25 hitouts 2 tackles against the Crows. Win
Round 16 2006: 15 disposals 4 marks 24 hitouts 3 tackles against the Pies. Loss
Round 15 2006: 11 disposals 2 marks 31 hitouts 1 tackle against the Swans. Win
Round 14 2006: 8 disposals 2 marks 15 hitouts 1 tackle against the Hawks. Win

Thats 8 games over the last 3 years when Seaby has had to step up and fill the void left by Cox being out of the side. His averages for those games: 12.8 disposals 3.75 marks 21 hitouts 2.6 tackles. Now compare them to his career stats of: 9.1 disposals 3.1 marks 11.8 hitouts 1.7 tackles.

Seems to me that if Seaby was given an opportunity to be the number 1 ruckman at a club he would do a rather handy job of it. Would I prefer McIntosh, yes, but I'm not sure I'm willing to give up pick 8 & a player to get him, when I could get a rather handy ruckman in Seaby for a cheaper cost who could provide just as much influence as McIntosh could.

 

[CoggaRules]

Had a feeling that someone would ask this so I thought I would have a look at games Seaby played when Cox was missing over the last few years. Here is the breakdown of those games:

Round 7 2007: 17 disposals 7 marks 16 hitouts 4 tackles against Geelong.
Round 2 2007: 13 disposals 4 marks 24 hitouts 5 tackles against the Pies.
Round 1 2007: 13 disposals 4 marks 23 hitouts 2 tackles 2 goals against the Swans.
Round 18 2006: 17 disposals 5 marks 16 hitouts 3 tackles against the Saints.
Round 17 2006: 9 disposals 2 marks 25 hitouts 2 tackles against the Crows.
Round 16 2006: 15 disposals 4 marks 24 hitouts 3 tackles against the Pies.
Round 15 2006: 11 disposals 2 marks 31 hitouts 1 tackle against the Swans.
Round 14 2006: 8 disposals 2 marks 15 hitouts 1 tackle against the Hawks.

Thats 8 games over the last 3 years when Seaby has had to step up and fill the void left by Cox being out of the side. His averages for those games: 12.8 disposals 3.75 marks 21 hitouts 2.6 tackles. Now compare them to his career stats of: 9.1 disposals 3.1 marks 11.8 hitouts 1.7 tackles.

Seems to me that if Seaby was given an opportunity to be the number 1 ruckman at a club he would do a rather handy job of it. Would I prefer McIntosh, yes, but I'm not sure I'm willing to give up pick 8 & a player to get him, when I could get a rather handy ruckman in Seaby for a cheaper cost who could provide just as much influence as McIntosh could.

nice stats RT, but there is one stat missing, the result of each of those games.

 

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nice stats RT, but there is one stat missing, the result of each of those games.

Results were 6 wins 2 losses.

 

[bigstyletiger]

Well when you put it like that RT he doesn't look that bad. Might be worth a second round pick. Hopefully we can trade another one in to make up for the loss.

I wouldn't think that losing Shulz will be the worst thing in the world.

Moore, Thursty, McGuane, are first choice. Rance can come in. Riewoldt can play down back if needed. Gourdis could if desperate.

What's better for the next 3-5 years. Keeping Shulz or taking a risk and getting an extra pick in?

Take a risk i say.

 

[Azzleberry]

that is exactly what the roos want. The value of first round picks from this years draft has doubled, with the what lies ahead in the future drafts.

I thought we were all keen at getting Vickery at pick 8 if he was still around, and he would need about 4-5 years development before he would be ready... Therefore, simmo retires in 2 years and we only have gus, patto, cartledge etc... and a 20yo vickery.... Makes sense to me if we are gonna get vickery if still available then why not trade pick 8 and a player (polo etc.) for a developed and proven young ruck who was picked at 9 for NM

 

[CoggaRules]

that is exactly what the roos want. The value of first round picks from this years draft has doubled, with the what lies ahead in the future drafts.

I thought we were all keen at getting Vickery at pick 8 if he was still around, and he would need about 4-5 years development before he would be ready... Therefore, simmo retires in 2 years and we only have gus, patto, cartledge etc... and a 20yo vickery.... Makes sense to me if we are gonna get vickery if still available then why not trade pick 8 and a player (polo etc.) for a developed and proven young ruck who was picked at 9 for NM

If that were all good, then why not ask yourself why North are putting him on the trade table? I mean, they arent really in the box seat with future ruckmen are they? They most definetely have shot their bolt, re. top ups, over the last couple of years too.
So what would you be doing if you had at your disposal the services of a young ruckman, that you picked at 9 and developed and was, as you suggest proven?
I smell a rat somewhere. They know the tigers are in the market for a ruckman and they are hoping we make the wrong move with our first rounder.

 

[Del65166]

he has to run really fast to get down back.....


Seriously... Rucks are well over rated as shown by this years GF.

Invest more into the midfield. Keep pick eight...

Craig Cameron is going the easy option at the moment.

.. Lets better ourselves in the draft not worsen it.

If they Trade Shulz we basically are going into next season 2 talls short with Polaks injury....

agree with you about rucks; our midfield and about schulz

 

[Crumden]

Seaby might be worth getting. As for McIntosh, he played some good footy in '07 but disappeared in '08. I was watching him closely when we played the Kangaroos earlier in the year and he is undoubtedly the slowest bloke in the AFL. My mate and I were cacking ourselves watching him try to get to boundary throw ins.

One of the reasons Laidley has thrown his name in the ring IMO. Trying to get max value for McIntosh before 4 boundary umpires come in. McIntosh doesn't have the biggest tank going around and he is one that may suffer from the rule change.

 

[Moreaux]

I am so suprised people think we have a surplus of rucks. We have one ruckman in simmo who can play at senior level and an honest tryer in patto who is not up to it. There is no guarantee and in actual fact alot of doubt as to whether Graham, Cartledge, Putt and co will ever make it as senior footballers. So the club is forced to acquire a reday made ruckman due to poor planning in the past.

Guy's thats the Gold coast Morro who got my nic before i did, i don't agre with my bizarro world alter ego

 

[hognogger]

Carteledge Breaks into the side at the end of the year after being elevated due to a long term injury...He plays ok and looks the part which makes you think that he is ahead of Graham in the long term.

I assumed the rationale was, Cartledge is currently going to be first out the door, he's on the rookie list, so let's put him in for a few games to see if we need to revise this opinion.

Wise move to check him out for a few games... but...

I thought he was ordinary, and the original opinion that he was going to be first out the door was probably confirmed.

 

[nut]

I assumed the rationale was, Cartledge is currently going to be first out the door, he's on the rookie list, so let's put him in for a few games to see if we need to revise this opinion.

Wise move to check him out for a few games... but...

I thought he was ordinary, and the original opinion that he was going to be first out the door was probably confirmed.

He was more than adequate, infact I would be happy to have him and our 2nd rounder...