Ins for Round 4

[Cosmic Starchild]

This could be a tough week at the selection table.

I'm very confident against the Doggies in Perth, but I'd still like to see us play as close to our best 22 as possible

Gardiner, Stenglein, Seaby and McDougall should all be available. Who gets the chop as a result?

Graham, Nicoski, Butler and Staker for mine. Lynch did just enough to keep his spot.

 

[Mead]

Of those, the only guy who definitely should be available is Seaby. Gardiner and Stenglein are likely but still in the 'test' category as far as I know, and McDougall would be very very doubtful after a dreadful WAFL performance.

With Hansen in a purple patch at CHF, I think we should be looking to play Gardiner FF, which would lead to either Lynch or Staker getting scratched. I think Graham did enough to hang onto his spot and force Seaby to dislodge him through good WAFL form.

Stenglein for either Nicoski (not bad, but not great) or Matera. Personally, I'd drop Fido so he can go back and find some form, play Wirrpunda in the forward pocket and let Nicoski play as a the backline sweeper.

 

[quiksilva]

Adkins would be pushing for selection after 2 strong performances in the WAFL. Adkins dominated for the Dees however McDougall was not near his best. Should be fun for the selection panel.

 

[The Passenger]

This week will be interesting.

If fit:
Gardiner - straight back in.
Stenglein - straight back in.
McDougall - one or two more WAFL performances.
Seaby - same as McDougall.

I'd bring Gardiner in for Staker, who hasn't had too much presence this year - particularly in the last game. Steinglein for Selwood for reasons i explained in the votes thread.

If they want to bring one of Seaby or McDougall back in it would be for Graham.

 

[quiksilva]

Adkins for Fido.

 

[theorangeapple]

you would have to say there will be question marks over gardy and stenglein.

i would be inclined not to risk them. without being arrogant, if we can beat the dockers without them then i think we can cover the doggies. naturally, if they are raring to go then by all means play them.

although it would go against form, i would consider playing doogs. the doggies will be without harris so it could be a good chance to give him some much needed confidence. i think that grant would be a good match up for lynchy but not doogs.

its scary when you think of the players still to come back in. seaby, stenglein, mcdougall, gardiner and waters. all comfortably in our best 22. add to that matera, who will come good. we have alot of room for improvement.

i found woosh's comment after the game that they initially thought cousins would be out for 3-4 weeks. i dont remember hearing that after the game

 

[Mead]

you would have to say there will be question marks over gardy and stenglein.

i would be inclined not to risk them. without being arrogant, if we can beat the dockers without them then i think we can cover the doggies. naturally, if they are raring to go then by all means play them.

although it would go against form, i would consider playing doogs. the doggies will be without harris so it could be a good chance to give him some much needed confidence. i think that grant would be a good match up for lynchy but not doogs.

its scary when you think of the players still to come back in. seaby, stenglein, mcdougall, gardiner and waters. all comfortably in our best 22. add to that matera, who will come good. we have alot of room for improvement.

i found woosh's comment after the game that they initially thought cousins would be out for 3-4 weeks. i dont remember hearing that after the game

Its true we should be able to account for the doggies with the team we have more or less, but there's another side to it- Gardiner has still had precious little match practice in the season proper and I'd want him in good touch for the trip to brissie- I agree we should look at playing anyone but Lynch at FF- without Harris we should be able to expose them, but Lynch's problem so far has had nothing to do with his defenders and everything to do with his total inability to take a simple mark.

It may be of benefit to Doogs to go straight to the seniors, but I'm not sure that's very fair to guys like Jones, Adkins or Wooden who are playing their asses off in the WAFL- it says, 'try very hard for a long time and you may get a chance, unless you're in a position where we need you, in which case you can do crap all and you'll still get a call up'

I'd be tempted to bring Gardiner in and play him at FF- scratch Staker, and play Lynch as the HFF/defender role, something which he is actually far better at than his size suggests- just seems a lot surer marking the ball overhead 50 from goal rather than deep in the forward line.

IMO, Gardiner, Stenglein straight in, Seaby needs a week in the 2s to dislodge Graham. No point in calling up a kid and seeing him play well if he's immediately scratched- if he took his chances he deserves a recall.

 

[Ruddiger]

The main thing we missed last night (besides a great full forward) was a good backup ruckman. Gardi is a good half forward and ruck option but I think that Seaby is probably a better number 2 ruckman.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Seaby is a certain starter if fit, we need him to back up Cox.

I would have thought that much was obvious?

You realise we had Lynch rucking against Sandilands at times on the weekend? The Dogs even have their own freakishly tall hack don't they?

Graham was a late inclusion for his debut and did well with the limited opportunities but he'll be back in the WAFL. He'd be happy with his game, but would know he's only an option when injuries strike.

Ins (assuming fit)

Seaby for Graham
Gardiner for Staker (maybe Lynch, I thought he was a little better than Brent)
Stenglein for Selwood, Nicoski or Butler, all would be unlucky but are the obvious choices - a vague outsider would be Sampi but probably not just yet.

I think Hansen has leap frogged McDougall a bit which could mean Doogs might see a bit more WAFL footy at this stage.

I don't know about dropping Fido, as I'm still willing to see him work into match fitness but he might get squeezed out if something doesn't happen against the Dogs, as we're suddenly a month into the season.

 

[Ruddiger]

Good call. Yes, Lynch is not even close to Seaby's ability in the ruck. Everytime Cox took a break, Freo had the break.

Positive sign (esp on Hansen)....when a few leads started coming out, the goals flowed. Our guys kept the pressure on them (see 8 rushed behinds), more so in the second half....so if we get another decent lead from FF, we'll be far sweeter (stating the obvious).

Gardi will be good to take some marks across HF (like Wizard Cup) and the goal square.

Stinger needs to come back. Imagine the job he could have done on Josh Carr.

Fido will warm up soon, but I expect one of the talls to kick more goals than him this year.

 

[zero]

personally i reckon staker and matera have done their dash for the moment. they both need a run in the twos to get back some form

meanwhile, adkins and rowan jones have been working their asses off in the wafl and one of them deserves a shot. nicoski, butler and selwood are playing well, and with hansen coming on, doogs isnt needed too much, and he too can find some form below.

lynch must go back. someone else has to take the key forward spot this week. im not sure about gardiner, he dosent have the leg speed

with the calibre of players to come back from injury, and the form of the guys on the fringe, i dont think we should be playing guys in bad form unless we are really short

 

[The Passenger]

You can't drop Matera on the back of three pretty poor games though. He's the sort of player who's liable to just come out of no where and kick 5 or 6 when he hasn't done a thing for a month.

 

[Cosmic Starchild]

I reckon Seaby has to come in for Staker. That would be the first change I would make.

Then it becomes a matter of whether Gardiner and Stenglein are fit. If so, Graham and Butler will probably get the chop for those guys.

McDougall is touch-and-go. I wouldn't think he's deserved a recall at this stage.

 

[Ripper]

Doogs will be lucky if he is playing for the Perth Seniors this week.

 

[noodle]

even though we've been playing well there are a few guys that need to go back to the WAFL to find form. the number 1 being matera and following that staker, lynch and sampi.

lynch played OK but his confidence looks shot when attempting to take a mark. near the end of the game it looked as if he was palming the ball down instead of attempting marks. sampi looks bad out there at the moment. yes he is always a dangerous player that could step up but his second efforts looked woeful. staker just looks lost out there and fido needs to remember how to mark and kick goals. a run in the seconds would do them a world of good.

mean while i'd say that seaby should be an automatic in. as mentioned before we need a backup for cox. gardiner and stinger in if fit and i'd also consider some of the older guys that have been doing so well in the wafl. of note i'd think rowan jones would be close to a call up. 3 sold games and the fact that he's a vice captain would have to count for something.

 

[Cosmic Starchild]

Hansen is now an automtic selection at CHF, but who is our first choice at FF?

While we have Gardiner and Seaby floating around the forward line, one of Lynch, Staker and McDougall needs to hold down FF consistently.

 

[Frodo]

Doogs will be lucky if he is playing for the Perth Seniors this week.

yep...he was reported, and had a poor game.

 

[Cosmic Starchild]

If McDougall doesn't get a call-up then Lynch will stay put at FF, meaning Graham and Staker will get cut to make way.

This leaves us a little exposed in the back half, as Staker and Graham are the two guys most likely to play CHB (along with Lynch who is now anchored at FF).

This might not be a problem against the Doggies, but this lack of team balance could hurt us in the long haul.

As I see it, we have 3 very handy ruckmen (all of whom can pinch-hit forward), a quality FB and then 4-5 guys who we need to hold down CHB, CHF and FF between them. With Hansen going well at CHF, it still seems that we're no closer to finding a permanent CHB or FF.

 

[jess-jess]

Whoosh says he doesn't pick the team on reputation but form. On that i don't see how he can justify to Jones/Adkins/Wooden that Fido is in the team before them atm. He's had 3 weeks and still looks out of it while they were all BOG in the WAFL. It'll be a tough one because we all know what Fido can do...

 

[Benno_900]

What happened to Beau Waters? Is he injured? When will he be back?

 

[jess-jess]

What happened to Beau Waters? Is he injured? When will he be back?

he's injuried his groin. The injury list has him at 3-4 weeks but he's been at that since the Wizard Cup grand final.

 

[sinepari]

Why drop staker? I know he isnt playing that well, but he never will at CHB unless he gets experience. Its a tough position to play and therefore needs time to develop. I think woosh will persist

 

[Cosmic Starchild]

Why drop staker? I know he isnt playing that well, but he never will at CHB unless he gets experience. Its a tough position to play and therefore needs time to develop. I think woosh will persist

Is Staker our best prospect at CHB?

I think Hunter did pretty well on Pavlich and even Graham could be tried there.

I understand what you're saying about experience, but I think Staker would be better used as a tall HBF.

I'm not convinced either way, but there's a lingering question mark over that position and Staker's ability to make it his own.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Is Staker our best prospect at CHB?

I think Hunter did pretty well on Pavlich and even Graham could be tried there.

I understand what you're saying about experience, but I think Staker would be better used as a tall HBF.

I'm not convinced either way, but there's a lingering question mark over that position and Staker's ability to make it his own.

Well he's only played 25 odd games and very few of those in defence, he needs time to make CHB his own. As for Hunter yes he's a good CHB but what happens when we play Brisbane does Hunter go onto Brown? The truth is Hunter is best suited to 3rd tall in defense while in the long run Staker could put on enough weight and muscle to be a great CHB.

Saying that I agree that Staker's future is forward but it's possible that he's learning the tricks of the forward trade down back first.

For me I think Seaby coming in is a necessity (as long as he's fully fit), probably for Graham. Stenglein too but I don't know who to drop for him, one of Butler or Nicoski.

Also Adkins and R.Jones need to be rewarded for their form. As much as I think Matera is about to tear a game open soon Adkins should get his spot IMO. Am not sure about who to drop for Jones though.

I don't think Gardiner will be ready this week.

 

[jod23]

Were suddenly so full of depth??

I dont think we will see a ton of changes like a lot of you are suggesting. Were 3-0 and at home to the dogs, I dont think a whole lot of tinkering needs to be made. I think the only two guys who will come in are Gardiner and Stenglein if they are fit.

Gardy for either Graham or Staker. And Stenglein for an extremely unlucky Nicoski or Butler. Thats still with R.Jones, Wooden, Seaby, Waters on the outside looking in. This new found depth thing is wonderful