News Ins & Outs vs Geelong - Fasolo and Keeffe return

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Armstrong is an elite kick... as long as the target is 20-30 metres away and he isn't under any pressure.

The threads about this weeks selected side. Use another thread to bitch about the list.

 

[blaze036]

The threads about this weeks selected side. Use another thread to bitch about the list.

If you read the last page it was a discussion about the possible ins and outs, no need to get so snarky

 

[jonbe54]

Reid + Seedsman + Brown = 6-7? Players aren't picked on ability alone you realise? I'm not in here very often but I'm hoping that one day I'll see you say something, anything, positive. There's something in the saying that if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all, especially when it's about the football club and its players whom you claim to "support".

Blaze may tend toward the 'glass half empty' philosophy or the 'prove it' attitude but I would never doubt his love of the club.

 

[iGNITER]

Would prefer it like this

B - Maxwell Frost Toovey
HB - Goldsack Keeffe Langdon
C -Lumumba Beams Young
HF - Swan Cloke Sidebottom
F - Elliott White Dwyer
R - Grundy Macaffer Pendlebury
INT - Adams Ball Fasolo sub Blair

Would be happy with this also

 

[Scodog10]

Where does this "elite kick" tag come from? A few people have used it but unless it refers to style I don't see any real basis for it. K.Eff: 2011-62.2%, 2012-70.8%, 2013-50%. Nobody ever labels Maxy as an elite kick yet his figures over the last 5 years read 74.6, 72, 70.9, 69 and 69.8%. Just an observation.

The bolded figures are actually quite good considering he has played as a fwd since debut.

2011 his debutant season adjusting to the tempo of the game and he goes at 62% by foot isn't bad. 2012 at 70% as a fwd is above average bordering elite (anything over 75% from a fwd by foot is elite IMO).

The numbers for Maxwell unfortunately don't paint him in the best light when compared to other defenders...

 

[jimmy35]

Side looks a little stronger and a little more balanced this week. Be interesting to see how Frosty and Keeffe go down back.

 

[blaze036]

Fasolo and Elliot in full flight in the pockets

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Blaze may tend toward the 'glass half empty' philosophy or the 'prove it' attitude but I would never doubt his love of the club.

You sure you're describing the right person??

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If you read the last page it was a discussion about the possible ins and outs, no need to get so snarky

Armstrong is neither a possible in or out

 

[Scodog10]

Armstrong is neither a possible in or out

Just my take, but I tend to agree.

With the 22 now selected discussion on Armstrong or other non 22 players should probably take place in the pre-match thread...

 

[Manic Magpie]

Side looks a little stronger and a little more balanced this week. Be interesting to see how Frosty and Keeffe go down back.

Surely the two outs are better players currently than the two ins. Fasolo has hardly been dominating at VFL and Keeffe has been sadly out of form, while both Brown and Sinclair were very good players last week. If anything, the side looks weaker rather than stronger, to me anyway.

 

[Scodog10]

Surely the two outs are better players currently than the two ins. Fasolo has hardly been dominating at VFL and Keeffe has been sadly out of form, while both Brown and Sinclair were very good players last week. If anything, the side looks weaker rather than stronger, to me anyway.

I can agree to a certain extent, but we don't know what the criteria for selection at senior level is. For instance neither needs to dominate in order to earn a call up. It's all about fulfilling your role.

With that in mind limiting it to two changes means we gain traction with the other 20 players selected. My take is that each of the 20 players still in the line up from last week will again be better placed for this game than they were against Sydney.

For instance White will be better second up, ditto Adams for being eased into it, Swan will be better again, Frost will have gained confidence from his job on Buddy, Grundy likewise with his first 30+ hitout match, benefits for the group of an extra game under their belt, who knows Fumblesack may only fumble 5 times this week instead of 8 etc. incrementally that means more to the team overall than the difference in output between Brown and Sinclair v Keeffe and Fasolo.

Hence comments such as Jimmy's can be justified, IMO.

 

[Manic Magpie]

I can agree to a certain extent, but we don't know what the criteria for selection at senior level is. For instance neither needs to dominate in order to earn a call up. It's all about fulfilling your role.

With that in mind limiting it to two changes means we gain traction with the other 20 players selected. My take is that each of the 20 players still in the line up from last week will again be better placed for this game than they were against Sydney.

For instance White will be better second up, ditto Adams for being eased into it, Swan will be better again, Frost will have gained confidence from his job on Buddy, Grundy likewise with his first 30+ hitout match, benefits for the group of an extra game under their belt, who knows Fumblesack may only fumble 5 times this week instead of 8 etc. incrementally that means more to the team overall than the difference in output between Brown and Sinclair v Keeffe and Fasolo.

Hence comments such as Jimmy's can be justified, IMO.

You may be right. I would have preferred Brown on Hawkins rather than either of Frost or Keeffe given the strength of the CHF. The team may also have gained some confidence from their win last week. What they won't have going for them this time is another Maxwell milestone game, which probably helped motivate the boys to greater efforts against the Swans.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Where does this "elite kick" tag come from? A few people have used it but unless it refers to style I don't see any real basis for it. K.Eff: 2011-62.2%, 2012-70.8%, 2013-50%. Nobody ever labels Maxy as an elite kick yet his figures over the last 5 years read 74.6, 72, 70.9, 69 and 69.8%. Just an observation.

I wouldn't say he's an "elite"kick but has a penetrating kick on him. Very good by foot.

 

[Wooljay]

Fasolo and Elliot in full flight in the pockets

 

[Stripes B and W]

I can agree to a certain extent, but we don't know what the criteria for selection at senior level is. For instance neither needs to dominate in order to earn a call up. It's all about fulfilling your role.

With that in mind limiting it to two changes means we gain traction with the other 20 players selected. My take is that each of the 20 players still in the line up from last week will again be better placed for this game than they were against Sydney.

For instance White will be better second up, ditto Adams for being eased into it, Swan will be better again, Frost will have gained confidence from his job on Buddy, Grundy likewise with his first 30+ hitout match, benefits for the group of an extra game under their belt, who knows Fumblesack may only fumble 5 times this week instead of 8 etc. incrementally that means more to the team overall than the difference in output between Brown and Sinclair v Keeffe and Fasolo.

Hence comments such as Jimmy's can be justified, IMO.

Take your point Scodog that when players are out injured someone has to come in , fill a role, without banging the door down at VFL level.
That being said, a comparison of the merits of the in's V the out's makes sense; the improvement in the other 20 you mention will occur if Brown and Sinclair where playing i would think.

Regardless, you identify in this 22 a bunch of specific improvemnents that will go a long way toward winning this game. I hope they all pla yout Saturday night!!

 

[Scodog10]

Take your point Scodog that when players are out injured someone has to come in , fill a role, without banging the door down at VFL level.
That being said, a comparison of the merits of the in's V the out's makes sense; the improvement in the other 20 you mention will occur if Brown and Sinclair where playing i would think.

Regardless, you identify in this 22 a bunch of specific improvemnents that will go a long way toward winning this game. I hope they all pla yout Saturday night!!

Definitely!

The 22 named would be stronger still with those two remaining in the side, but the trade off of losing them v natural improvement still sees us stronger than last week, IMO.

The point that interests meet out of this is what is the difference between Keeffe standing HMac or Brown v Frost standing them?

Brown v Hawkins was the obvious one. Hawkins has a good record against us since 2011 so for mine no matter who you send to him he's going to be a handful. If Frost can hold him to 3 I'd take that which leaves the loss of Brown as negligible unless one of the two Keeffe covers gets off the chain. Which I'm reasonably confident they won't.

I guess what I'm getting at is that Keeffe's role is akin to the role Lyon performs for the test team. He doesn't need to dominate just hold up an end. If one of Brown or HMac get going it has a flow on effect to Hawkins because the extra in defense is spread between the two, but if Hawkins gets off the chain we can control that easier.

It's why Cloke receiving support from White is so important and why I'm dead against White as the second ruck without Reid in attack. If Cloke gets going teams can just double team him, but if White gets going then you need to spread yourselves between both spearheads.

 

[mike123]

Where does this "elite kick" tag come from? A few people have used it but unless it refers to style I don't see any real basis for it. K.Eff: 2011-62.2%, 2012-70.8%, 2013-50%. Nobody ever labels Maxy as an elite kick yet his figures over the last 5 years read 74.6, 72, 70.9, 69 and 69.8%. Just an observation.

If you kick it long to a 50-50 it counts as an effective kick i think. If you kick it short you have to hit the target. Guys like Maxwell can just hack the ball and get an effective kick. Armstrong pinpoints passes and is usually very good at it.

 

[Robroy22]

Young ---->------ Fas ----->---- Cloke ------> GOAL

That's overcomplicating it surely: Young-----> Fasolo----> GOAL........(Clokey might miss)

 

[jonbe54]

That's overcomplicating it surely: Young-----> Fasolo----> GOAL........(Clokey might miss)

Might???????

 

[eddiebankbalance]

Fasolo and Elliot in full flight in the pockets

 

[TradeDraft]

When is that From?

 

[mike123]

I think Luke Ball should be the sub. I'd hate if it was someone like Fasolo or Adams. I think it has to be a midfielder because otherwise we'll have too many inside mids like we did against Freo and not enough run or forward fire power. Fasolo has to start at Half Back to release Young and Lumumba on the wing to give us midfield pace.

 

[eddiebankbalance]

When is that From?

Who cares / doesn't matter / is always funny as ****

Edit: In this usage it should not be perceived as "funny"

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I think Luke Ball should be the sub. I'd hate if it was someone like Fasolo or Adams. I think it has to be a midfielder because otherwise we'll have too many inside mids like we did against Freo and not enough run or forward fire power. Fasolo has to start at Half Back to release Young and Lumumba on the wing to give us midfield pace.

Sidebottom for mine.